AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd)

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Friday 20 July 2007
	Home	Draw	Away	bookmakers margin on the event. However, they do not take account of commissions that may be charged.">BPP
Geelong v Western Bulldogs (10:40 BST)	1.23		2.50	122%	Related markets...Match Result
Saturday 21 July 2007
	Home	Draw	Away	bookmakers margin on the event. However, they do not take account of commissions that may be charged.">BPP
Collingwood v Essendon (05:10 BST)	1.31		2.50	117%	Related markets...Match Result
Adelaide v Fremantle (06:10 BST)	1.21		2.82	119%	Related markets...Match Result
St Kilda v Hawthorn (10:15 BST)	1.90		1.60	116%	Related markets...Match Result
West Coast v Sydney (10:40 BST)	1.61		1.79	118%	Related markets...Match Result
Sunday 22 July 2007
	Home	Draw	Away	bookmakers margin on the event. However, they do not take account of commissions that may be charged.">BPP
Brisbane v Carlton (04:10 BST)	1.15		3.00	121%	Related markets...Match Result
Richmond v Port Adelaide (05:10 BST)	2.50		1.21	123%	Related markets...Match Result
Kangaroos v Melbourne (08:10 BST)	1.22		2.50	122%	Related markets...Match Result

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Overall Standings
#	Team	P	W	L	D	For	Agt	%	Pts
1	Geelong	15	12	3	0	1658	1090	152.1	48
2	Hawthorn	15	10	5	0	1412	1210	116.7	40
3	Kangaroos	15	10	5	0	1398	1379	101.4	40
4	West Coast	15	9	6	0	1321	1230	107.4	36
5	Port Adelaide	15	9	6	0	1505	1430	105.2	36
6	Collingwood	15	9	6	0	1360	1298	104.8	36
7	W.Bulldogs	15	9	6	0	1572	1544	101.8	36
8	Sydney	15	8	7	0	1319	1152	114.5	32
9	Adelaide	15	8	7	0	1245	1093	113.9	32
10	Essendon	15	8	7	0	1507	1549	97.29	32
11	St Kilda	15	7	8	0	1192	1301	91.62	28
12	Brisbane	15	6	8	1	1280	1334	95.95	26
13	Fremantle	15	6	9	0	1467	1455	100.8	24
14	Carlton	15	4	11	0	1536	1983	77.46	16
15	Melbourne	15	3	12	0	1267	1597	79.34	12
16	Richmond	15	1	13	1	1304	1698	76.8	6

										Match Totals
		Quarters				Halves
#	Team	W	L	D	WR%	W	L	D	WR%
1	Geelong	43	16	1	71.67	23	6	1	76.67
2	Hawthorn	32	27	1	53.33	18	9	3	60
3	Kangaroos	34	24	2	56.67	16	14	0	53.33
4	West Coast	32	26	2	53.33	19	10	1	63.33
5	Port Adelaide	30	28	2	50	14	16	0	46.67
6	Collingwood	31	27	2	51.67	16	13	1	53.33
7	W.Bulldogs	27	30	3	45	12	17	1	40
8	Sydney	31	27	2	51.67	21	9	0	70
9	Adelaide	34	26	0	56.67	17	12	1	56.67
10	Essendon	28	32	0	46.67	13	16	1	43.33
11	St Kilda	27	30	3	45	12	18	0	40
12	Brisbane	28	32	0	46.67	12	18	0	40
13	Fremantle	27	32	1	45	15	14	1	50
14	Carlton	18	42	0	30	9	21	0	30
15	Melbourne	25	33	2	41.67	9	21	0	30
16	Richmond	21	36	3	35	9	21	0	30

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Quarter Averages
		For				Against
	Team	¼	½	¾	FT	¼	½	¾	FT
1	Geelong	31	27	27	26	18	18	17	19
2	Hawthorn	19	23	26	25	21	22	19	19
3	Kangaroos	28	21	22	22	20	22	18	32
4	West Coast	25	22	19	22	21	18	25	18
5	Port Adelaide	25	25	29	21	24	25	21	25
6	Collingwood	21	26	22	22	25	21	21	19
7	W.Bulldogs	30	24	24	27	33	20	24	25
8	Sydney	21	20	21	27	24	18	18	16
9	Adelaide	24	20	19	20	17	19	20	16
10	Essendon	26	24	24	27	22	30	29	23
11	St Kilda	19	21	21	18	25	18	22	22
12	Brisbane	21	21	23	20	23	21	22	23
13	Fremantle	25	22	25	26	26	19	28	25
14	Carlton	29	22	30	22	30	33	33	36
15	Melbourne	19	20	21	24	29	28	25	24
16	Richmond	23	21	20	23	27	24	31	31

Scoring Statistics
		Avg Score		Avg Margin		Total Score		Round Total
	Team	For	Agt	Win	Lose	High	Low	High	Low
1	Geelong	111	73	51	13	222	69	3	0
2	Hawthorn	94	81	34	28	180	31	1	2
3	Kangaroos	93	92	17	31	147	54	1	1
4	West Coast	88	82	34	36	137	62	0	1
5	Port Adelaide	100	95	31	34	153	60	1	0
6	Collingwood	91	87	18	17	120	64	2	0
7	W.Bulldogs	105	103	23	30	141	57	1	1
8	Sydney	88	77	33	14	162	44	1	1
9	Adelaide	83	73	32	15	110	57	0	1
10	Essendon	100	103	19	27	127	74	0	0
11	St Kilda	79	87	27	38	125	43	0	5
12	Brisbane	85	89	34	32	136	35	1	2
13	Fremantle	98	97	34	22	173	58	2	0
14	Carlton	102	132	17	47	141	39	3	1
15	Melbourne	84	106	18	32	124	57	0	1
16	Richmond	87	113	49	34	124	65	0	0

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Margin Breakdown - Basic
		U 15.5		O 15.5		U 39.5		O 39.5
	Team	W	L	W	L	W	L	W	L
1	Geelong	1	1	11	2	5	3	7	0
2	Hawthorn	2	1	8	4	8	4	2	1
3	Kangaroos	2	1	8	4	10	3	0	2
4	West Coast	3	1	6	5	6	5	3	1
5	Port Adelaide	2	0	7	6	6	5	3	1
6	Collingwood	3	3	6	3	9	6	0	0
7	W.Bulldogs	1	2	8	4	9	4	0	2
8	Sydney	1	2	7	5	5	7	3	0
9	Adelaide	1	3	7	4	6	7	2	0
10	Essendon	5	1	3	6	7	6	1	1
11	St Kilda	1	1	6	7	5	4	2	4
12	Brisbane	1	1	5	7	3	6	3	2
13	Fremantle	1	3	5	6	3	8	3	1
14	Carlton	2	1	2	10	4	5	0	6
15	Melbourne	1	4	2	8	3	6	0	6
16	Richmond	0	2	1	11	0	10	1	3

Margin Breakdown - Detailed
		1-19 pts		20-39 pts		40-59 pts		60+ pts
	Team	W	L	W	L	W	L	W	L
1	Geelong	3	2	2	1	4	0	3	0
2	Hawthorn	2	3	6	1	1	0	1	1
3	Kangaroos	5	2	5	1	0	1	0	1
4	West Coast	3	1	3	4	0	0	3	1
5	Port Adelaide	5	0	1	5	2	1	1	0
6	Collingwood	5	5	4	1	0	0	0	0
7	W.Bulldogs	2	2	7	2	0	2	0	0
8	Sydney	2	6	3	1	2	0	1	0
9	Adelaide	3	4	3	3	1	0	1	0
10	Essendon	5	2	2	4	0	1	1	0
11	St Kilda	2	1	3	3	2	3	0	1
12	Brisbane	1	1	2	5	3	1	0	1
13	Fremantle	2	4	1	4	2	1	1	0
14	Carlton	3	3	1	2	0	1	0	5
15	Melbourne	2	4	1	2	0	5	0	1
16	Richmond	0	5	0	5	1	2	0	1

[Beejayville]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) Interesting data from Ads's stats... Only 3 teams averaging over 100+ points in Top 8. Geelong 110 Bulldogs 105 Port Power 100 That's not a good sign for the other teams, although the Bulldogs are also averaging over 100 points against, and that could bite them in the bum in September. Only 2 teams averaging less than 80 points against. Geelong 73 Sydney 77 Geelong averaging highest score easily and lowest points against easily, and these are formidable stats. Sydney is a team that doesn't need to score highly as it can keep opposing teams to a low score. More data to suggest that Geelong is easily the best performed team heading into the finals. Should be an interesting game Friday night, and considering the Bulldogs completely outplayed Geelong in Round 1 the $2-50 is good value odds for them. Having said that, Brad Johnson was the difference in that game. If Geelong can keep Johnson quiet then a win looks assured for them.

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Should be an interesting game Friday night, and considering the Bulldogs completely outplayed Geelong in Round 1 the $2-50 is good value odds for them. Having said that, Brad Johnson was the difference in that game. If Geelong can keep Johnson quiet then a win looks assured for them.

Dogs have won 7 of past 11 against Geelong too :ok

[TazaD]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) One of those wins was by a single point last season as 1.75 favs (Geelong). The Cats' last big wins were by 35 and 46 as ~1.30 favs but interestingly lost by 35 in 2005 as 1.20 favs. As I said last week, stats a bit pointless as far as Geelong are concerned. Best at just about everything, but also skewed a fair bit by the Richmond game still. So interesting you mention Johnson Bjv...because as good as the Geelong D is, the Bulldogs are the one team that can break them. Why? Because they have no big, set targets. Johnson, Robbins, Hahn...even Murphy make Harley fairly useless, Scarlett far less effective, but they can outmark the smaller, quicker guys like Wojinsci. The teams that can limit the Doggies supplyworry them the most (Syd, WC, St. K, Crows)...but Geelong allow 50 I50' per game in the Dome this season, relying on their dominance at either end. Of course, having said all that, Geelong had 3 more I50s and the same amount of shots in Rd. 1... Cats dese to be solid favs, but reasable chance of a close one. One I'm steering well clear of. Hoping to get Collingwood -15.5 or better... Mind you 1.40 looks reasonable anyway. Last 5 games, Essendon have allowed 9 I50's (-9), 31 shots @ ~120! Pies have second best D in that time (2.32), and have 3 more shots per game, just bad kicking has made them look closer games than they really were. Collingwood had 16 more I50's! and more shots on ANZAC day...Clement and Presti both played...but Wakelin didn't, and Davey kicked 3 for the Bombers. Collingwood should win, and yeah, 1.40 looks about right really. Freo upset??...anyone??...Both teams av. +2 I50's in their last 5...even at home, Crows haven't been great. Just +1 I50 and actually av. 1 less shot for the season! Freo's problem on the road has been their terrible D (Actually, only Carlton and Port worse in last 5), but can Crows score?..esp. if Ricciuto doesn't come up. Rutten also in some doubt. Freo won by a point at home this season, but 4 more I5's, 6 more shots... If we discount the final last year (which Freo were always going to get smashed in!) Dockers haven't lost any of the last 7 meetings by more than 11...inc. winning 2 of the last 3 @ AAMI as big 'dogs. Gunna be embarrassingly tempted by +16.5 or so! Hawthorn @ 1.85 looks good. Besides a host of other stats, it is 2nd v. 11th on the ladder after all. Still, should be aother low scoring slug fest, despite all the talk about not repeating last meeting's 72-44 game. The 2 BEST defensive mid-fields in the last 5 games...Hawks allow just 44 I50's (+12), Saints 46 (equal with Geelong...+6)...attack and defense numbers remarkably similar... St. Kilda's attack and defense both improve significantly in the dome, but Hawthorn's numbers are better still if we take out their interstate games. Total will be interesting...the under seems the obvious play, but I show at least 172 points, so depending on the number... West Coast have fallen apart, but how many of their players do they get back this week? Judd looks shot, but looks like playing. Cousins looks like playing, Stenglein, Hanson can't be far away. Don't really want to get involved in a side...again, the under is the obvious play, but the books will know it. Carlton allowing 36 shots in their last 5!!! You'd have to think they are no chance to win, but taking Brisbane @ 1.15 doesn't interest me at all. They've won 3 of the last 6 meetings by 15 or less as BIG favs. Don't really care! Port have won 8 of last 10 meetings, inc. 40 points at home this year...they've won 7 of 10 @ MG, inc. 2/2 this year, but 1.30 is a bit tight. Their D is just not good enough to give big spreads, and I think they can give 14 at the most here... ...not interested...although an over could be on the cards @ 195ish? Kangas win. -15.5 hopefully. Melbourne look to have thrown it in for the season. Pumped last week. Beat a god-awful Carlton on the scoreboard only (less shots, les I50's), the big Daniher night v. Essendon, pumped by Richmond, and 2 wins in which they were also statistically well beaten! Davey out. They lost by just a point first meeting, but 11 less I50's and 5 less shots in that one too!! Kangas still yet to lose to a team outside the 8. Def. ML, hopefully can get the spread too.

[koi_saisei]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) Sportsbet aren't even giving odds for Sydney vs West Coast yet! Perhaps waiting for team news. With Barry Hall and kennelly in doubt and possibly returns of cousins, hansen and stenglein. The amount of quality in one side and out the other could be huge. (also Kerr back from suspension) edit: they're up now... and I cant understand why West Coast would be 1.72 favourites. They've lost to st kilda and brisbane at home and smashed by port. I will wait for team news before I touch this game.

[Ashtee]

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Freo upset??...anyone??...Both teams av. +2 I50's in their last 5...even at home, Crows haven't been great. Just +1 I50 and actually av. 1 less shot for the season! Freo's problem on the road has been their terrible D (Actually, only Carlton and Port worse in last 5), but can Crows score?..esp. if Ricciuto doesn't come up. Rutten also in some doubt. Freo won by a point at home this season, but 4 more I5's, 6 more shots... If we discount the final last year (which Freo were always going to get smashed in!) Dockers haven't lost any of the last 7 meetings by more than 11...inc. winning 2 of the last 3 @ AAMI as big 'dogs. Gunna be embarrassingly tempted by +16.5 or so!

If the peanuts sack their coach by the weekend I'll jump on the 3.50, but as it stands now even with Bassett and Rutten missing Adelaide only need their A or B game to win. Lucky win by freo last meeting with conditions suiting and inj's to Adelaide. Farmer back boosts chances.

Carlton allowing 36 shots in their last 5!!! You'd have to think they are no chance to win, but taking Brisbane @ 1.15 doesn't interest me at all. They've won 3 of the last 6 meetings by 15 or less as BIG favs. Don't really care!

1.22 available Bris. Carlton travel again while Bris haven't, form has headed in opposite directions although Bris got the weaker Melb. Carlton overall have had tough opponents last month - not suggesting their form is actually good. Black out!! 5.25 Carlton is over the top. I'll be on them. Do fancy the short quote on Kangaroos (the side that will chew up Collingwood & spit them out come the finals). At this point I like the 2.10 Sydney, despite it all. However, must bear in mind wettish and very windy conditions forecast which can help the home side. Certainly must consder the totals, margins, etc. Giving Richmond a shot if they drift a little more.

[Ashtee]

[TazaD]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) Well, the peanuts are officially rudder-less as of today. Bit of a pain really...not sure it will helpor hinder them. Guess they can't go any worse. Hope the line doesn't react too much either...saw a +19.5 that I'd love to be on!! Ash, I'm guessing you're the best bet here...bet if anyone has an account with Portland, then let me know. I'm about to join up and they've got the 'refer a friend' bonus happening. So anyone that wants a free $50 or so... ...then again, I might not be anyone's friend, so I'll forget about it then shall I! :lol Sydney +5.5 is peeking my interest... See a Collingwood -15.5, but if I can get 1.90 for the Pies/Roos double (and I can! :D), then I might go that way instead. Slow with the lines this week...annoying...

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Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) Ashtee, what website do you get your odds from mate? Is it like an odds comparrison site for Australian sports?

[Ashtee]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) Peanuts football Club 3.40 @ BetCRIS or 3.33 @ Pinnacle I think they're worth the shot. I jumped straight onto the 3.45 Pinnacle. +18.5 Sportsbet is the only cap I see at present. I'm in discussions with them at present about a bookmaking job, Taza, so I don't want them thinking I'll be taking home toilet rolls and coffee satchels (which I'll be doing). Besides, you'll be good for more than the odd fifty should I be in. ads, it's from my own spread sheet. First thing I do before tea Monday is fill it in. P.s. I AM ONLY JOKING ABOUT TOILET ROLLS, COFFEE SATCHELS AND BEING GOOD FOR'S. :D :D :D :$

[Ashtee]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) Showers and breezy in Brisbane Sunday and they're offering 30pts. Obviously a squads watch on that game but it looks really generous.

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Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) Fremantle coach Connolly resigns FREMANTLE coach Chris Connolly has announced his immediate resignation, ending a six-year stint at the Dockers. The club is yet to confirm a short-term replacement, with assistant coach Mark Harvey favourite to take the reins for the last seven games of the home and away season, beginning with Saturday’s do-or-die battle at AAMI Stadium against Adelaide. Connolly said his resignation became “obvious” after Fremantle suffered its ninth loss on the weekend, falling to the Kangaroos at Subiaco Oval by just four points. The loss virtually ended the finals hopes of a side tipped by many pundits for a top-four position in 2007. His initial plan was to coach two more games, against Adelaide and Geelong, giving the club time to install a replacement, but he said mounting speculation this week forced his hand. “After Monday and Tuesday, we just felt that there was a big dark cloud over the club with the speculation, the innuendo and all those types of things. I just felt … the players, coaches, administrators couldn’t do their job properly.” “It was being … not torn apart, but certainly key people in the club being focused on in a negative way. “So the decision yesterday afternoon was to move aside now, and the club will go about its business this afternoon to find a coach for matchday. The club did not confirm a replacement coach, with Connolly obliquely saying “the staff are all in place”. “Hopefully it will take the dark cloud away, and everyone can get on with focusing on their job – coaching, playing, administrating, whatever the case may be,” he said. The Dockers have had a good run with injury this year, despite losing Brett Peake to a broken collarbone. But suspensions have hit the club hard, with players missing a total of 16 matches through AFL-imposed suspensions this season, plus club-imposed sanctions on Jeff Farmer and Chris Tarrant. Farmer was suspended by the league for the first six games of the season and by the club for an additional six games. Hopes were high at the club after a barnstorming finish to 2006 saw the Dockers win their last nine games and their first ever AFL final – a 28-point win over Melbourne. But three opening losses in 2007 meant Fremantle was always playing catch-up, and an inability to post consecutive wins has the club in 13th position on the ladder with a 6-9 record. Connolly finishes with a 68-62 win-loss record at Fremantle, with his finest moment guiding the Dockers to their first finals win and ultimately to fourth place in 2006. He was the longest-serving Fremantle coach. “Obviously, I’d like to be coaching Fremantle,” he said. “The club wanted me to coach in the short term. We’ve always made decisions in the best interests of the club. I think that has underpinned why the club has gone from success to success. “It was tough talking to the players and the staff … but in the end it’s the right thing to do.”

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Showers and breezy in Brisbane Sunday and they're offering 30pts. Obviously a squads watch on that game but it looks really generous.

Oh your kidding, im actually heading up to the GABBA to catch this game, but this shit weather thing is worrying me. Staying up at the Gold Coast for 3 nights so hopefully it clears up. Brisbane will kill Carlton, they always do. Think they have won the last 6 or so agaisnt us

[TazaD]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) +18.5 @ Lassetters too Ash. I'm on. Yeah...you'd have to pay me to drink that crap!...and don't even get me started about non-Kleenex... ...are you really going for a job there tho? :loon 1.90 for the double @ Portland. On that too. (Sorry, a little bit early for you to get your commission...) Will be very interested to see how many points I can eventually get for Sydney.

[Beejayville]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) Taza you are right about Geelong on top in everything. They have won 46 of 60 quarters. They average 26+ points a quarter For They average less than 20 points a quarter Against. On these figures alone, combined with win/loss rate and percentage, if they stay free of injury then no one is really going challenge them. Things can change quickly in football though, and what might look like a certainty in July, can often fail in September. Reminds me a bit of 1990 When Essendon were dominant, and the Bombers beat the Pies by a small margin in a blockbuster game through the season. As the season got near the later rounds Essendon got a few injuries, and pies fully fit. Bombers faltered at the final hurdle. Could it be the year of the Magpie? :loon That would be special (gushing Bruce McAvaney voice) :nana:nana:nana

[Ashtee]

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...are you really going for a job there tho? :loon

Yeah, but a lot to consider at this end before committing. One of the biggest disapointments in life has got to be #2's at a pub or shopping centre. Cam Bruce out again, I hear. Still not sure on Green, Neitz.

[Ashtee]

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Could it be the year of the Magpie? :loon That would be special (gushing Bruce McAvaney voice) :nana:nana:nana

Well, we'll all be hoping for that, bjv. :eyes

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Could it be the year of the Magpie? :loon That would be special (gushing Bruce McAvaney voice) :nana:nana:nana

If that happens ill be going back to England i think, permanently :$

[Ashtee]

[Ashtee]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) Yeah, you're right. I've underestimated Brisbane given lowest score against Carlton this season is 98. However most games will be played in calm conditions while it looks breezy in Brisbane and I also give Carlton a good chance to win. Still couldn't have them 101.00 for low and the 3.1 high is too short. Showery and breezy in Perth. Maybe I should touch the 8.00 on WCE?? Hawthorn maybe is a touch ambitious, unless this is attacking game off the critisem?? Probably not.

[BURNTUA CRISP]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) The round kicks off at the Dome tonight with the Cats looking to keep their winning streak rolling aginst the Bulldogs. There isn’t a lot of pressure on the Cats to keep performing at their best with such a huge buffer zone, but the difference between the best and worse is not a lot nowadays. The Bulldogs have impressed in the last 6 weeks and are capable of the upset. Brad Johnson has a terrific recent record against the Cats and will be the key tonight, with Scarlett likely to miss. The Dogs have subdued the Cats in their last 4 games keeping them under 100 points each time. The Cats can afford to drop this, but should eventually overpower the Dogs. A low key build up to the Collingwood and Essendon this time round, but the loser faces serious consequences. The Bombers are just hanging on to the pack and need to win this game badly with a horror 6 weeks ahead. It’s not such a necessity for the Pies to win seeing they play the bottom 4 teams in the next month, but they have dropped winnable games since the Melbourne loss and haven’t be able to get on a roll. Collingwood’s midfield is clearly superior, but Lloyd and Lucas are capable of taking control of the game. Unfortunately, they won’t get enough of the footy and the Pies should win well. The Crows are the enigma of the competition. They are impossible to catch and will miss Rutten and Ricciuto. The Dockers have a decent record against the Crows at AAMI, so much so that the Crows have never scored more than 95 points against the Dockers there. However, it looks as though the change of coach at Fremantle will do little for their performance. The body language of the players and the underwhelming demeanor of the caretaker coach leads me to believe they’ll get hammered and get thrown out of the finals race. The clash of the titans at Subiaco should follow a familiar script on Saturday night. As usual the Swans are at full strength and starting to hit some good form. The Eagles are taking a big risk bringing in players that are underdone. They’d need to be 5 goals up at 3QT, because they will run out of gas as the match goes on. Hall and Kennelly are not 100%, but are needed to get the Swans up the table. I’m sticking with the Eagles to bounce back after last week’s aberration in a close one. The Saints team is their strongest for the season so far. Even with injuries, they’ve taken some big scalps so far and will take another on Saturday night. When you analyse both sides, the Saints look stronger all over the ground and the Hawks defence will struggle against Riewoldt, Gehrig, Koschitske and Milne. I think there will be plenty of scoring in this game and think the Saints will win easily. The Sunday games are self explanatory. Brisbane to spank Carlton, Richmond to hang on to Port for a while before being run over and the Roos will be tested by the Demons before overcoming them comfortably.

Number of players missing from best 22’s

3 – Carlton, Geelong, Hawthorn, St.Kilda, Sydney 4 – Essendon, Kangaroos, West Coast, Western Bulldogs 5 – Adelaide, Collingwood, Richmond 6 – Brisbane, Port Adelaide 7 – Melbourne 8 – Fremantle

Score Predictor & MY TIPS

GEELONG 112-109 Western Bulldogs COLLINGWOOD 83-82 Essendon ADELAIDE 98-88 Fremantle ST.KILDA 90-101 Hawthorn

WEST COAST 74-93 Sydney BRISBANE109-95 Carlton Richmond 82-98 PORT ADELAIDE KANGAROOS 89-83 Melbourne

Suggested Bets

GEELONG Margin 1-39 ST.KILDA Win KANGAROOS Margin 1-39

Good luck everyone.

[Beejayville]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) Impressive effort by the Cats last night against the Bulldogs. In fact it was more than impressive, they were simply irresistable as someone once said. They ran in waves and made the Dogs look second rate, and had too much class all over the field. The game was effectively over after 5 minutes. It has hurt the Dogs in many ways too. Confidence will be severely dented as they had been playing good footy. Percentage has taken a hammering and has left them at 97% which will hurt their chances of gaining a high place finish on the ladder. Only top teams can get within 3 goals of Geelong. Clearly the Dogs are not as good as everyone thought. The Cats destroyed them in every facet of the game. It was men against kids. Powerful message from the Cats too, they are the real deal, and not sure who can beat them at this point in time.

[TazaD]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) That was reasonably embarrassing, yes. Not sure it was over in 5 minutes tho...They kicked 2 very lucky goals quickly...I thought we had settled ok and were right back in to thegame @ 1/4 time. Nope! Perceived pressure or not, it was one of the least skillful and horrible decision making games I've seen the Dogs play in a long while. Still, a full strength Cats (yes, no Scarlett, but of little importance last night)...no Cross, no Griffen, no Grant, no Gilbee after 2nd quarter, a 1/2 (1/4?) fit West...Cooney not yet up to being no. 1 man... ...embarrassing, but not the end of the world. Still, very tough 6 weeks ahead...finals footy still realistically a fair way off...

[koi_saisei]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) I know West is injured and all, but you cant play him up forward like they did at the start. Geelong dominated the clearances and got the momentum right away.

[TazaD]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) Taking under 185.5 in the Hawthorn/St. Kilda match. Far too much of an over-reaction to the "it won't happen again" line. Like I mentioned, it's the 2 best defensive midfields going at it...every chance there's plenty on tight, tough ball and 1-1 footy. Hawthorn have gone over this number in their last 10 game just 3 times, v. Essendon, Richmond and Carlton... Saints just 3 times too, again Carlton, Richmond and when Geelong smacked 19.11 on them. I show a max of 50 shots...a nice even 50/50 conversion will net 175...less if Riewoldt sprays his fair share ;) Also hugely tempted by Sydney +7.5... We all know the history of it all...I feel the WC price got smacked because of their in's rather than Hall, Kennelly out... ...even if they are it's a wet, windy day in Perth, so Hall wouldn't be a big factor anyway. Sydney PUMPED West Coast in rd. 1 stats-wise...55-35 I50's for 4 more shots...some quality inclusions for the Eagles, are well, just that...but 5 changes is a lot to any team. Not sure whather to wait...might even get more points if Hall/Kennelly are out...although it might close right up when people realise it's a crap day! Not sure how you give either team more than a goal in this one...esp. if it's by the team who've lost 6 of their last 9!! **** it...I might just take the cherry of 1.40 for Sydney +24.5!!! Crazy....Crazy for feeeeelin' so lonelyyyyy..... ummm, sorry....

[Ashtee]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) What price is that one Taza (Saints/Haw)? Anything around evens looks good to me. Freo should be OK for the 18pts, mate. Just hope they can hold on for the win. They're going well enough.

[Crouch Potato]

Re: AFL Football - Round 16 (July 20th - 22nd) Strong strong history of U15.5 in the Weagles v Swans game. Sportingbet is offering 3.00s for this (2.65 with Uniscab). Definitely a greater than 33% chance IMO so that's my one and only bet for this round.