Tulenos Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Winner Best odds/All odds Basso, I2.12.252.252.12.252.22.12.12.34 Ullrich, J3.53.53.53.53.53.53.753.53.55 Valverde, A8.598.59811111113 Vinokourov, A810107913151017.5 Landis, F111511151315151518 Popovych, Y212926212126342934 Salvodelli, P--41------ Evans, C413426412929173442 Leipheimer, L214141414126132655 Menchov, D344134344141343475 Danielson, T51-34------ Rubiera, J----51---- Hincape, G514134415151345150 Rasmussen, M344141345134515170 Mayo, I676767515151416775 Mancebo, F415151342651673480 Kloden, A4167413434675167120 Karpets, V67-676767676767160 Azevedo, J----67-3441250 Botero, S67-676781---- Gonzalez, A81-67-67---- Horner, C-----81--- Jaksche, J-8151------ Savoldelli, P5141-6767-8151130 Gomez-Marchante, J81---81---140 Cunego, D2134412151678167210 Guerini, G-----101--- Moreau, C101101101-1016751101240 Pereiro, O51676751516710167240 Kashechkin, A81-101-101101101-350 Zubeldia, H816767676781101-400 Casar, S-101-----126- Garate, J-------126- Rogers, M--101--126101126- Contador, A5151414151-12667190 Beloki, J678167676712667-240 Garzelli, S151-151-151---- Millar, D--151-----580 Totschnig, G--101---151-620 Mazzoleni, E151101--151---1000 Sevilla, O-101---176--- Julich, B10181101-101201201126- Simoni, G67-81-67-201-- Rujano, J67-675167-201-410 Di Luca, D67101676767126251-- Sastre, C10181101--201251126540 Scanlon, M--301------ Sinkewitz, P--------350 Zabriskie, D--------380 Each-way terms: 3 at 1/53 at 1/53 at 1/4 3 at 1/43 at 1/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulenos Posted June 19, 2006 Author Share Posted June 19, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Ivan Basso may be impressive, but he ain't Armstrong and though he might well win the whole thing, the price only slightly above evens is at least layable. Even Armstong had his blips when he could be backed @ evs+ at tsome points during the tour. I can also see especially Valverde and Ullrich (if not also Vinokourov) getting close.;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulenos Posted June 19, 2006 Author Share Posted June 19, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July There are also Top 3 and Top 6 markets and a few other can be expected soon, but even the Top 3 and Top 6 ones haven't formed as yet and just some ridiculous prices are on offer on BF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmphill Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Not a great knowledge of this sport with Germanys Jan Ullrich comes into this with a chance. A previous winner of this tour in the 90's before Lance Armstrongs dominance and a recent winner of the Tour of Switzerland. Jan Ullrich 5/10 @ 3.75 vcbet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirata Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July If nothing extraordinary happens, none shall defeat Ulrich on the TT stages. In the mountains, however, there are a few fellas that can give Jan a hell of a fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmphill Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July If nothing extraordinary happens' date=' none shall defeat Ulrich on the TT stages. In the mountains, however, there are a few fellas that can give Jan a hell of a fight.[/quote']Cheers for you input Pirata.:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pageot Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Don't follow the sport any other time of year but the Tour is always a good contest. I am thinking of backing the Dane Michael Rasmussen @ 6/4 with Ladbrokes to be King of the Mountains. He won this last year when he seemed about the only rider interested in winning the jersey. Is there any reason why it wont be the same this year? Also what do people think of the chances of the Brits this year? I notice Millar is 10/1 and Wiggins 25/1 to win the opening time trial - are these good prices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmetic Bob Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Ullrichs lead over Basso in the 1st time trail on saturday will not be a big enough lead for him as Basso will simply destroy Ullrich in the mountain stages. The big question is, even with a bit less climbs this year than in previous renewals, can Ullrich still latch onto Basso who is undoubtably the best climber at the moment, if he doesn't ,which IMO he won't, then the outcome of this tour is simple, Basso WILL WIN the Tour De France. He looked very impressive in the Giro D'Italia and he'll make sure he'll destroy Ullrich once it gets to the business stages in the big mountain stages and Basso was the only man that was able to live with Armstrong in the mountains the previous two years, Ullrich was left behind!. I just cannot see anyone else getting involved, and another plus is that Basso comfortable beat Ullrich in the General Classification last year by 1 minute 41 seconds , and Ullrich is known for being a bit of a slow starter in the 1st mountain stages. I cannot see another outcome than Basso winning his 1st Tour De France. Basso just keeps improving in the Tour, last four finishes have been 11, 7, 3, 2 5/4 is fantastic value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulenos Posted June 28, 2006 Author Share Posted June 28, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Valverde surviced the mountains alongside Basso and Armstrong and gained some valuable experience. Ullrich not too bad in the mountains. And it's also necessary to count the team tactics into the equation - don't forget the team virtually brought Armstrong so far up @ such a pace in the first real mountain stage, the other guys could only look - can't see such a big differenc ethis year as again Basso ain't Armstrong. As ever, I think it might be profitable to follow good sprinters in the first stages - anyone knows who the in-form guy is this year/won most of them in italy?;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulenos Posted June 28, 2006 Author Share Posted June 28, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Hmm - looks like McEwan may be the one (Bettini, Schumacher?). It's also noteworthy Armstrong didn't race in Giro d'Italia and it is generally believed it's at least very difficult to win two such demanding races - esp. as they are very near each other. But we'll see - the othe rcontenders were in italy too;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridle Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Bombshell - Ullrich and Sevilla suspended - maybe even more to come (Basso???):welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulenos Posted June 30, 2006 Author Share Posted June 30, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July It's the impact of the dope scandal just before the off of the Tour - jeez:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereoman Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July JAYSUS!! Basso is out along with Ullrich and Sevilla. Ugh. Deos some kind of Rule 4 come in? :unsure http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/5132320.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angeachorion Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Basso and Ulrich suspended or atleast that's what the news say. That rules out one of my favourites. The other one is Vinokourov whose team Astana-Würth was asked to withdraw. That's not good for the morale of the team, but hopefully it will improve when the race starts. In any other sport, I'd say this kind of situation could motivate you but the Tour is different. If such pressure continues, it could easily brake you. Anyway, I'm still not even sure if they will compete. Chaos rules at the moment. Valverde is good but I think his time is yet to come. Two more years and he'll be the best. Although I admit, he has good chances to finish in the top three overall. And finally my wildcard... Iban Mayo. He seems to be in good form and with a strong team like Euskaltel-Euskadi, I see him winning atleast one of the two stages in the Pyrenees. Can't wait to see the orange sea of fans cheering and encouraging them. edit: Also, I think Mancebo and Beloki will be (or already are) suspended, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pageot Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July I had already backed Basso in the overall but fortunately Ladbrokes have refunded me my stake. It seems like a bit of a farce at the moment so I think I wont be having bets other than those I have already placed on this years tour. Lets hope the stance they are taking sorts the problem out for next year though. BTW I notice Ladbrokes have now halved both Millar and Wiggins prices for todays time trial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ra1nmaker Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Well that put paid to that. I had a big explanation ready on why I thought a Lay of Ullrich for a top 3 finish was a worth a bet @ 1.55. Now I'm not even sure who’s left putting on the skin tight luminous lycra. :eek Thankfully, the 1st real Time Trail and the mountains don’t start for a bit so the outright market is unlikely to move much over the 1st week. Give’s a bit of time to have a look at the peleton and try to get a feel for who the real challengers are. My early thoughts are someone from the strong Discovery team, my preference would be Popovych, or the talented Candel Evans from Lotto. As for today’s Prologue I just can’t see past David Zabriskie. He’s a prologue specialist winning it in 2004 and unfortunately falling last year while going well. Think that fall will spur him on and he’s a worthy favourite. David Millar's 1st competitive race on a return from a drugs ban. This flat 7km would have suited him but don’t think he would beat Zabriskie even if he was fully primed. Bradley Wiggins is a top indoor 1km rider, but this is 7 km and there are real corners. His whole season is supposedly geared to this one stage! Interesting @13.5 but just don’t see it. 5 pts Zabriskie to win Prologue @ 2.16 Betfair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulenos Posted July 2, 2006 Author Share Posted July 2, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Unlucky, Ra1nmaker. Relatively little known Casper takes stage 1, but there must be some stage wins awaiting the likes of Boonen, McEwan and maybe even Zabel who placed today @ great odds as all books think he's too old to win a sprint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angeachorion Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Valverde is out, too. He was in the middle of the Peloton when he crashed on todays stage. A fracture of the right clavicle, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulenos Posted July 5, 2006 Author Share Posted July 5, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Absolutely unpredictable for the time being, maybe Karpets as the best youngster again?;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulenos Posted July 5, 2006 Author Share Posted July 5, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Ok - it's Boonen with a saver on McEwan, both proven sprinters and always close so far;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulenos Posted July 5, 2006 Author Share Posted July 5, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July The above post was meant for Stage 4:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angeachorion Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Ok - it's Boonen with a saver on McEwan' date=' both proven sprinters and always close so far;)[/quote'] Good choice (although someone can always suprise). Also I see Boonen in yellow for two more stages. Individual time trial will probably change that. edit: McEwan won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe mavis Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Cadel Evans is the man to watch. He was 40/1 before all the fav's got booted out for doping. My brother in law is very clued up with the Tour De France and he assures me Evans is the real deal. Currently available to back at 8.2 on Betfair. Joe Mavis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ra1nmaker Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Will the real Tour de France please step forward. Stage 7, Saturday 7th sees the first important exchange that will begin to sort out who can win the race. Can the Time-trialists gain sufficient time over the climbers before the steep inclines appear next week (roll on Wed & Thurs)? Today each rider must cover the flat 52km course on their own. Unlike the Prologue (7km) this 1hour ish test will see significant time differences between the riders. Guys to look out for are Zabriskie, Hincapie, Landis, Miller and Honchar. Also can Prologue surprise package S Lang (German time-trial champion) do as well over this longer distance. I expect Kloden, Sastre, Zubeldia, Mayo and Cunego to loose more than 2 mins today. With Evans, Popovych and Leioheimer looking to keep losses down to a under a minute. The aerodynamic Zabriskie will go close but his price plenty short enough @ 2.4. I’ll stick with Dave to regain last weeks losses but I’ll ask for 2.58 as I think his price will drift. Also hoping for a good ride from Cadel Evans today and this may also be the best time to get on for outright winner. Bets Stage 7 winner - D Zabriskie 5pts @ 2.58 (not matched yet) Outright Winner – C Evans 5pts @ 9.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ra1nmaker Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Stage 7 winner - D Zabriskie 5pts @ 2.58 (now matched) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July just two bets on the tour for me, a lay of Landis @ 2.06, for a couple of reasons, one it's a crazy low price in a crowded field, two I have doubts about his fitness with his hip problems, wouldn't be surprised to see him break down if pushed hard in the mountains. Other bet, is Menchov @ 4.6 for the tour, I think he's in good forrm, only a minute behind. I'll look to lay him off if his prices moves under 3.0's though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July ps, look out for a french winner on bastile day, they normally make a huge push to get the win today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July This thread seem to have died, anyone still following le tour ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnightblue Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July Not enough coverage on television for me to follow it unfortunately. I think the doping bust really sullied this years event also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulenos Posted July 18, 2006 Author Share Posted July 18, 2006 Re: Tour de France - starts 1st July It's covered each and every day on Eurosport as usual. Though, I have to agree this year's event is a bit flat and uneventful, most probably because of the dope hit just before the tour and the tactics of most teams has changed a big deal (see US Postal), which afected the competitiveness very badly. That said, I have also laid Landis (got evens two days ago, now 11/10) for a large chunk to bet back when the price is right - agree the price is unreal, he's no Armostron or Basso and the Alps are still ahead. Also think his team has no depth to push him through the mountains. Anyway, this thread has never been very lively in the past either - the event lasts almost one month and only real enthusiasts watch all stages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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