Racing Chat - Friday 2nd June

[The Brigadier]

The first of two cracking days racing at Epsom with two Group Ones on todays card with the Oaks set to be run at 16:30 (as long as those pesky Animal Rising idiots don’t have a say) and the Coronation Cup at 15:10. The ITV cameras are there for the first five races with the ground likely to ride good although the course has been very well watered in the last week.

 

Epsom 14:00

We start the two day Derby fixture with the 6F Woodcote Stakes for two year olds. With the race on the turning track it’s advantageous to be drawn low although a look back to last year’s race shows you can be competitive from a high draw.

Richard Hannon has a solid record in this race and saddles two interesting runners in Haatem who impressed when winning at Bath last time and can be competitive although my preference is for The Camden Colt who will be ridden by Ryan Moore. He made all when winning at Haydock on fast ground eight days ago and if he can get over from stall 7 appears to hold every chance.

The form of both Balon D’Or and Bobsleigh has been let down whilst Yorkshire Terrier would have been high on my shortlist but for his draw position of 12 of 12. He’s made all to win two all weather races and with Oisin Murphy on top can run well if overcoming that coffin box.

I wouldn’t be shocked if Craig Lidster’s, who is an under rated trainer, Land Lover runs very well from stall 1. He wasn’t disgraced when 4th (beaten 4 1/2L) on his racecourse debut at York in a £15k race and with improvement likely and a nice draw is worth a small each way saver with the main bet being The Camden Colt under Ryan Moore.

 

THE CAMDEN COLT 1 point each way @ 5/1 bet365 1/5th 1234

LAND LOVER 1/2 point each way @ 12/1 bet365 1/5th 1234

 

Epsom 14:35

A competitive 13 runner 1M 113 yard class 2 handicap is up next with the David O’Meara trained Rhoscolyn, owned by The Horse Watchers a very interesting contender. He’s been dropped another couple of pounds putting him 8lb lower than when running third at Royal Ascot last year and showed enough last time out to suggest his time is near.

The George Boughey trained All The Kings Men is tried in first time blinkers and going up in trip which may well suit this William Buick ridden five year old.

Charlie Johnstone saddles two with claims in Dutch Decoy (ridden by Neil Callan) who’s dropped below his last winning mark and Austrian Theory (Joe Fanning) who’s also dropped to a winning mark and showed enough last time to suggest he can run well. His latest win came at Hamilton a year ago when defeating Ghaly (who’s won both his races since and is now 13lb higher) and can go close.

The ground isn’t soft enough for Hodler whilst top weight Revich who comes here following a recent win at Chester was runner up in this race last year but is up 6lb for Chester which puts him on his highest ever handicap mark. He should run well none the less.

A tricky race which I’ve narrowed down to Rhoscolyn and Austrian Theory with the latter having the call.

 

AUSTRIAN THEORY 1 point each way @ 9/1 bet365 1/5th 1234

 

Epsom 15:10

A cracking renewal of the Group 1 Coronation Cup run over the Derby distance of 1M 4F and featuring four Group one winners with the odd one out the Aidan O’Brien trained Point Lonsdale who arrives in top,form having won both of his starts since a break including last time out at Chester in the Group 2 Huxley Stakes who can’t be dismissed either.

John and Thady Gosden’s smart filly Emily Upjohn makes her re-appearance after apparently coming to hand slowly. She was an unlucky loser of last years Oaks on this day and ended last season winning the Group 1 Champion Fillies & mares at Ascot. She’s smart and can be competitive as long as she doesn’t pull too hard.

Last year’s Derby 3rd (and possibly unlucky not to get closer having had a poor run in the race) and Irish Derby winner Westover is the most likely winner to my eyes and certainly wasn’t disgraced when runner up to the very smart Equinox in the Sheema Classic at Meydan in March. Ralph Beckett’s four year old will be ridden by Rob Hornby who will feel he has unfinished business after last year’s unlucky passage in the Derby and can take the spoils.

Charlie Appleby’s Hurricane Lane shouldn’t be dismissed as a classic winner (St Leger from 2021) and impressed last time when bouncing back from a poor run at Newbury but I must admit I am a bit concerned with the form of some of the stable who certainly aren’t firing on all cylinders with just the 4 winners from their last 33 runners going into Thursday.

The fifth member of the field is the German trained Tunnes who was a very easy winner of the German St Leger and a Group 1 last Autumn by 8L and 10L respectively although both wins came on very soft ground so for that reason alone is passed over here on today’s sounder surface.

 

WESTOVER 2 points win @ 2/1 bet365

 

Epsom 15:45

A valuable class 2 handicap for four year old and upwards, run over 10F has attracted a field of ten which gives it a good each way feel with some firms paying four places.

John & Thady Gosden’s Honiton proved he was better than his seasonal re-appearance (when hating the soft ground) at Goodwood when pushed out to win by 1 1/4L at Newmarket on much better ground a fortnight later under today’s pilot James Doyle though has been raised 4lb for that win and is drawn out wide. He has every chance and has to be on anyone’s short list but back in fourth that day at Newmarket was William Knight’s Dual Identity who was visibly dropped out the back from the start by Jamie Spencer and made up ground to finish 2 1/2L behind Honiton and with a one pound drop is now 5lb better off and with a more positive ride from Neil Callan from an inside berth can make up the deficit on the Gosden horse and looks great each way value.

A big outsider who is worth keeping an eye in is the Richard Spencer trained The City’s Phantom who may have needed his seasonal re-appearance when friendless in the market going off at 66/1 and running accordingly. He’s better than that and having been dropped 3lb finds himself on the same mark as when a 6L winner at Yarmouth 14 months ago.

Top weight Savvy Victory arrives in good form under Ryan Moore although this will be his highest ever mark whilst Bad Company (5th last year) needs softer conditions.

Kevin Ryan’s Marhaba The Champ won a similar handicap on his seasonal re-appearance at York’s Dante meeting (his first since wind surgery) and with only a 2lb rise is another with claims although they did all finish in a bit of a heap that day with one of today’s rivals Majestic only a length behind and 2lb better off.

A tight handicap but I feel that Dual Identity is building up to something and should be backed each way with firms paying that fourth place although it has to be noted that Knight is looking for his first winner for 119 days and 36 runs although he has a couple of runner ups in his last five runners so hopefully his turn is near.

 

DUAL IDENTITY 1 point each way @ 8/1 1/5th 1234

 

Epsom 16:30

This may well revolve around the two fillies at the top of the market in Aiden O’Brien’s Savethelastdance and John and Thady Gosden’s Soul Sister.

The former was so impressive at Chester but that did come on soft ground and the big question with her is will she handle this sounder surface (although the course has been well watered this week).

I prefer Soul Sister who had a valid excuse on her re-appearance (soggy ground and not taking to a cross noseband) and looked a quality filly for a stable who know how to train the fairer sex. She’s the pick for me.

Her stable mate Running Lion isn’t a certain stayer and I’m not quite sure what she beat at Newmarket in the Pretty Polly.

David Menuisier’s Heartache Tonight is a half sister to the stable’s Group 1 winning mare Wonderful Tonight and as long as the ground is not riding fast then she can outrun her double figure odds and possibly hit the frame.

 

SOUL SISTER 2 points win @ 5/2 BetVictor

 

 

All odds accurate at time of writing.

 

 

[calva decoy]

I tend to back previous distance winners in the Oaks & the Derby .

In the Oaks I've backed ETERNAL HOPE 14/1 Sky ( 4 places ) only distance winner in the field , way down on ratings . horse hated the course . 👎

ARREST in the Derby for me though will keep eye on prices .

Local trainer Jim Boyle has 4 running today , all but 1 previous course or course & distance winners always a plus point here which some horses loathe .

2.35 HODLER 11/1 ( 4 places ) 👎

3.45 BAD COMPANY 11/1 ) 4 places ) 👎

5.45 MARLAY PARK 13/2 ( 4 places ) 3rd 8/1 with Boyle's other horse Secret Strength 4th at 33/1 .

will price later , all each way .

Edited June 2, 2023 by calva decoy

[richard-westwood]

Epsom 235 

All the Kings men  8.9 11/2 

Rhoscolyn    8.7  6/1 

Gona have a bit of fun and back these 2 in ew doubles with Derby top 2 rated... arrest and the Foxes....10pt ew doubles ...would be nice payout if comes off ....

[Villa Chris]

Test trial at Epsom Monopoly money 

2.35 Fantastic Fox 5/1

3.45 Marhaba The Champ 8.53 rating Majestic 8.51 rating 

Edited June 2, 2023 by Villa Chris

[kensland]

Epsom. 

Single 

3.10. Westover     9/4    2nd 

Good luck all. 

Edited June 2, 2023 by kensland

[kensland]

Patent. 

1.20. Chep. Passing Time         10/3      2nd 

5.45. Epsm. Clochette                11/2   unpl

8.15. Another Run                       11/2    2nd 

stk. 3.50       rtn 149.50.

Good luck all. 

Edited June 2, 2023 by kensland

[Libby48]

Epsom 14:35  Alrehb 33/1 

[Brahmin]

just found this site, look knowledgeable and my bets are football ( btts & o/u goals) and USA sports ( thru USA work colleague )......so my horse bets are limited like the big 2 days Epsom meeting with top class racing..........soooo my bets are 50pts staked

 

2.00   The Camden Colt   6/1 betfair    10pt win

2.00   Valour and Swagger  12/1 betfair 4 places  5pt EW

 

2.35   Hodler   16/1 betfair 4 places   5pt EW

 

3.45     Savvy Victory     8/1 betfair  3 places    5pt EW

 

4.30    Heartache Tonight     33/1 betfair    3places    5pt EW

 

 

Good luck all today racing                 

 

[The Brigadier]

9 minutes ago, Brahmin said:

just found this site, look knowledgeable and my bets are football ( btts & o/u goals) and USA sports ( thru USA work colleague )......so my horse bets are limited like the big 2 days Epsom meeting with top class racing..........soooo my bets are 50pts staked

 

2.00   The Camden Colt   6/1 betfair    10pt win

2.00   Valour and Swagger  12/1 betfair 4 places  5pt EW

 

2.35   Hodler   16/1 betfair 4 places   5pt EW

 

3.45     Savvy Victory     8/1 betfair  3 places    5pt EW

 

4.30    Heartache Tonight     33/1 betfair    3places    5pt EW

 

 

Good luck all today racing                 

 

Welcome to the Forum @brahmin -good luck with your bets today 

[Zico10]

1 hour ago, Brahmin said:

just found this site, look knowledgeable and my bets are football ( btts & o/u goals) and USA sports ( thru USA work colleague )......so my horse bets are limited like the big 2 days Epsom meeting with top class racing..........soooo my bets are 50pts staked

 

2.00   The Camden Colt   6/1 betfair    10pt win

2.00   Valour and Swagger  12/1 betfair 4 places  5pt EW

 

2.35   Hodler   16/1 betfair 4 places   5pt EW

 

3.45     Savvy Victory     8/1 betfair  3 places    5pt EW

 

4.30    Heartache Tonight     33/1 betfair    3places    5pt EW

 

 

Good luck all today racing                 

 

I love a win and btts acca so will try and keep and eye out for any of your btts and ov 2.5 tips. 

[Brahmin]

1 hour ago, Zico10 said:

ok sounds good....sure we can do well between us!......got to get it off my chest, what a waste of money by ITV with 11 presenters plus a race commentator i have counted so far! aghhhh ridiculous.....am muting most of the show other than jason and johnny for their professional thoughts and just watch the actual racing! 

 

Edited June 2, 2023 by Brahmin

[MCLARKE]

Flat selection

Catterick 7.25

RUNNINWILD

[The Equaliser]

2 pts on the Daily 15 with 2 losers so far

8.50 Don Bookmark 1 pt win at 4.7  Billy Loughnane rides again

Total points today = 3

 

[Brahmin]

7 hours ago, Zico10 said:

I love a win and btts acca so will try and keep and eye out for any of your btts and ov 2.5 tips. 

have done footie treble @ 2.9 tomorrow on the 3 cup finals ( 2 men + 1 girlie ) .......over 2.5 all 3 games 

[Sporting Sam]

Catterick 8.25

Elusive Angel

Win

Jailhouse rock 

Each way

Edited June 2, 2023 by sporting sam

[Zico10]

12 minutes ago, Brahmin said:

have done footie treble @ 2.9 tomorrow on the 3 cup finals ( 2 men + 1 girlie ) .......over 2.5 all 3 games 

I always do a win and btts acca on a Saturday so will have a look. I pick 6 teams and cover them as a 4/5/6 timer. Anytime I share them anywhere they're typically terrible but I'll try and start posting them up. 

[Sporting Sam]

Doncaster 8.50

Saywhatyouwant

Each way

Fergal O'Brien sends one runner out from his Gloucestershire base.

Saffie Osbourne rides and this hurdler from Donald McCain has not run on the flat since October 21 when a nose second @ 50/1  to insignia of rank at Naas. Two wins over hurdles. Gets in off a lower mark than last flat run.

May need the run but could have run down in the south west another day long trip for one runner....

Edited June 2, 2023 by sporting sam

[Brahmin]

9 minutes ago, Zico10 said:

I always do a win and btts acca on a Saturday so will have a look. I pick 6 teams and cover them as a 4/5/6 timer. Anytime I share them anywhere they're typically terrible but I'll try and start posting them up. 

sounds good, as it end of season i just did the 3 cup finals......serious stuff will wait for new  UK season........

[Zico10]

18 minutes ago, Brahmin said:

sounds good, as it end of season i just did the 3 cup finals......serious stuff will wait for new  UK season........

Yeah I normally do the UK games but as you say the season is done so I'll be searching the random leagues of Europe to see what I can up with! 

[Brahmin]

lost 50 on racing today..........just got 36 back on french evening games......3 games to score after 75 mins..... soooooo lost 14 today, not as bad as 50!

[richard-westwood]

On 6/1/2023 at 3:39 PM, richard-westwood said:

Epsom 235 

All the Kings men  8.9 11/2 

Rhoscolyn    8.7  6/1 

Gona have a bit of fun and back these 2 in ew doubles with Derby top 2 rated... arrest and the Foxes....10pt ew doubles ...would be nice payout if comes off ....

Ew double with the Foxes paid 5th ew 

[Brahmin]

23 hours ago, Zico10 said:

I always do a win and btts acca on a Saturday so will have a look. I pick 6 teams and cover them as a 4/5/6 timer. Anytime I share them anywhere they're typically terrible but I'll try and start posting them up. 

thank god did my 2.9 cup final treble, as just 2 ew results today saturday on racing......so this more or less covered my outlay on racing 😨

[Zico10]

1 hour ago, Brahmin said:

thank god did my 2.9 cup final treble, as just 2 ew results today saturday on racing......so this more or less covered my outlay on racing 😨

Horses were a nightmare today. 

Nice win on your football bet. Always good when you can cover losses.

I'm just having a look at the US football tonight to see what I can come up with (or not). 

[Zico10]

2 hours ago, Brahmin said:

thank god did my 2.9 cup final treble, as just 2 ew results today saturday on racing......so this more or less covered my outlay on racing 😨

Just started a win and btts acca thread. Feel free to post any suggestions!