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Bet 7 won. Next stake £163.86

Bet 7. Atletico Madrid to beat Valladolid @ 1.13

The PGA Tour website has plenty of stats but I'm not sure if they can be scraped. The Euro Tour website probably has the same. There may be other places and perhaps @CakeCakeCake might know of some.

@MCLARKE one thing you can do to get around the waiting is to look to bet ahead of the final round. Then you've only got a few hours to wait for a result. Most of my golf bets are placed at this time and it's where I tend to get the best return.

We were discussing this on one of the golf threads recently and it's true the opportunities just aren't there like they are for other sports. I'd mentioned how I was ahead on the golf for the last few months, but that only covered 10 or 12 tournaments. As an investment vehicle - if you want to look at it that way - it's very slow to bear fruit. Usually there's only a couple of tournaments a week - if that - and then as you say @MCLARKE it's four days for a result and even if you bet on LIV it's still three days. Having said all that, there is money to be made as @harry_rag suggests. I've been at it for quite a few years now and I'm plenty in hand, but it's a slow process although if you approach betting like a stock portfolio then it's not a bad diversification.

I must have missed it if he's been playing well recently. Probably because that appalling 70 average is still stuck in my head.

I see he's strung a few wins together today. Hopefully you backed him. As we always say though, you can only go on what's gone before and unless the price really sticks out it doesn't matter if he wins the whole thing - there'd have been no reason to back him.

Best of luck @Systemight and it'll be an achievement just to keep this thread going all year

Welcome @Dazza 58 head over to the horse racing section. Lots of good people there

McIlroy got there in the end and certainly lived up to the moniker 'there's always a story with Rory' but DeChambeau was a total washout, even after an encouraging start. He certainly plays 'boom or bust' golf and maybe his competitive juices have been dulled on the LIV tour - although it didn't seem to bother him when overtaking McIlroy at the US Open last year. When Rose made his way through the field and after McIlroy's almost inevitable fudging of the last hole, I was rueing not being on a player like him as there was always a chance that at least one of the chasing pack went low. The trouble - at least for me - was that none of the chasing pack had odds that appealed. Rose might well have won - especially in the lottery of a play-off - but I couldn't make a case for him even at around 250 to 1 and those odds show how unlikely a win for him would have been when he started the day 7 shots off the lead.

Went badly wrong. McIlroy tried hard to join him and along with Conners the worst three scores in the final round were from the top 3.

Agreed. When it works, he makes mincemeat of courses but when it doesn't, it can go badly wrong. He's not going to change his approach though so just have to hope for the best.

I remember betting against him on here then, although I imagine the thread's been lost after quite a few forum updates since. Can't believe it's so long ago. Anyway, this time I reckon he'll do it and if it isn't him then it should be DeChambeau so I'm dutching them for the win at 1.63 and 3.74 respectively. I wanted to back at least one player from the field - as you mentioned collapses are possible - but the prices look rotten to me. Best of luck all.

That kind of result sums Lisowski up. How you can be referred to as one of the biggest talents in the sport and not even get through qualifiers is beyond me. The truth is, he was one of the biggest talents but the fact is he's 34 this year and for context, Jimmy White was younger than he is now when he made the last of his 6 World Championship finals.

Absolutely. So no need to post about winners and presumably you won't be doing that again in that case.

Oh right. So you're saying people will know you've lost without you pointing it out, but you need to let them know when something won. Get real. In future please either post a full list of winners and losers or post neither. Otherwise it looks an awful lot like you're trying to make other users focus on your wins and not notice your losers and that is not what this forum is about. There are no tipsters on here. We just try to help each other out through both our wins and our losses.

Really @Cookiejames1 no mention whatsoever of these losers.

There's really nothing funny about what I said. Either refer to both winners and losers or refer to neither. Otherwise explain to me what the point is of highlighting the winners and conveniently forgetting the losers.

Any chance of confirming your losers or are you just letting us know only when you've won @Cookiejames1 reminds me of the worst tipping sites.

Meant to play @avongirl but couldn't get on the site until just now. Wondering if it went down.

Great effort with the 5 and as already mentioned nice one @monty63 on your Rose bets. I'm still only on Scheffler so it's encouraging to read the stats posted by @CakeCakeCake about the winner most often coming from the group of players he's in.

Price gets a 9 darter must have been a bigger price than Littler too

Giving it a miss tonight. Don't fancy Littler against Price, what with Price's good form and Littler looking like he might be in a bit of a slump and so I'll be swerving my usual bet on him to win, hit the most 180s and the high checkout. Best of luck with your bets and hopefully the '147' lands.

Bet 6 won. Next stake £145.34

Bet 6. Alcaraz to beat Altmaier @ 1.07