The Equaliser
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Two trixies today at £1.00 = £8.00 in total
Multiples:
A 2.30 Wolv Getariver 13/8 (yuk)B 4.20 Font Et Apres Thou 11/4
C 5.00 Ling Red Force One 6/4
Potential Return £50.39
E 2.30 Wolv Perfect Predator 9/4F 4.20 Font Et apres Thou 11/4
G 5.00 Lin dancing Poet 3/1
Potential Return £88.94
Singles:
2.30 Wolv Pefect Predator £3 win at 9/44.20 Font The Raven’s Return £3 win at 9/2
4.20 Font Ostuni £3 win at 17/2
5.00 Wolv The Dancing Poet £3 win at 3/1
= £12.00 total singles stakes
= £20.00 total stakes
Results update: B/Fwd YTD 1.2.20 - £162.63
“When placing a bet on a selection, never take SP and, always bear in mind that to make a profit, in the long run, the WINNERS have to pay for the LOSERS.” Always remember that if every favourite won the bookies would go out of business so don’t be afraid to oppose them.
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Two trixies today at £1.00 = £8.00 in total
Multiples:
A 2.30 Wolv Getariver 13/8 (yuk)B 4.20 Font Et Apres Thou 11/4
C 5.00 Ling Red Force One 6/4
Potential Return £50.39
E 2.30 Wolv Perfect Predator 9/4F 4.20 Font Et apres Thou 11/4
G 5.00 Lin dancing Poet 3/1
Potential Return £88.94
Singles:
2.30 Wolv Pefect Predator £1 win at 9/44.20 Font The Raven’s Return £1 win at 9/2
4.20 Font Ostuni £1 win at 17/2
5.00 Wolv The Dancing Poet £1 win at 3/1
= £4.00 total singles stakes
= £12.00 total stakes
Daily results update:
Multiples:
£800 original bank. B/Fwd £534.49
Singles:
Original bank £400.00 B/Fwd £343.33“When placing a bet on a selection, never take SP and, always bear in mind that to make a profit, in the long run, the WINNERS have to pay for the LOSERS.” Always remember that if every favourite won the bookies would go out of business so don’t be afraid to oppose them.
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52 minutes ago, MrJol said:
Corals don't do BOG the day before so rules state SP will be used, simple. Try reading them lol
I was talking about EARLY PRICES not BOG.
I hope this helps
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9 hours ago, Trotter said:
Pretty sure that in the olden days the equivalent competition on PL was settled at SP
It was very annoying when you'd spent an hour the night before poring over the form and assessing the relative chances of the horses at the prices quoted ..... only to make your pick at 5/1 and see it go off at 2/1. If you'd known it would be 2/1 SP that would have changed your selection process.
When I'm looking at a race I'm balancing the horses chance against it's price at that time ........ not trying to guess what price it might be the next afternoon
So I think the introduction of taking a price and BOG was an improvement to the competition as it more realistically mirrored the selection process
BH's new rules seem ideal to me ....... we keep the ability to take a price and BOG yet don't have to bother with all the complications of which firm does what and when and when you can take bog and when you can't. Much easier to limit the firms and have BOG on everything.
And if it makes life a bit easier for BH having to check all the bets ...... well, that a bonus. He's a very busy man doing all the competitions on all the PL forums !
From a personal investing point of view I whole heartedly agree with you. In fact almost all my posts try to warn newbie punters not to take SP. However, since there is scope for error by accepting early prices and BOG I feel that it is much fairer for all concerned to settle "Nap" winners/placed bets at SP.
The new rules mean that someone took a price the day before on say PaddyPower/Betfair and if the price lengthens the next day and the horse wins then they will be awarded a price that in reality was simply not available.
If SP was used in the NAPS competition then life would be even easier for Graham. BTW Graham has to only check BOG rules in regards to winners and placed horses that have been backed each way.
Please note I am not trying to be difficult, all I am trying to do is propose what I feel is the fairest solution should the rules be amended on 1st March
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25 minutes ago, MrJol said:
If it had won @BillyHills would have settled it at SP it states this in the rules.
Hi @MrJol I am not so sure that this is true. If Corals quoted the price of 20/1 then, even if this was only for 10 minutes then according to the rules this could be checked and verified and then the bet would stand wouldn't it? Even if it was an error that was corrected later. That's the way I see it anyway; which I feel would have been unfair to be settled at 20/1 had the horse won.
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@BillyHills I truly think that serious consideration should be given to using SP for the Naps competition. Last Monday @Johnrobertson posted up a Nap on the previous day in the 4.15 at Lingfiled for First Link at 20/1 with Coral. I queried this as I was interested in the horse and usually check the prices of races that I am interested in the night before between 10pm and 12pm. It's price was showing as between 9/2 and 5/1. To his credit John replied back to me at 5.51pm that day explaining that the price of the horse was showing up as 20/1 for about ten minutes the day before and that he took that price. However, later on John said he was contacted by Coral's saying that this was an error and that they cut the price he had been given to 5/1 (all this information is clearly shown on Monday 17/2/20 Nap page). What I feel would have been grossly unfair would have been if the horse had won and then it be declared as a 20/1 winner for John.
If you used SP for the Naps competition then there would be no doubt about the declared price of a winner. I am pretty sure that punters such as @kenisbusy would still be choosing selections such as he did at 80/1, though its SP was 50/1.
Also, I think it would be good if there was a prize for the punter who has the greatest strike rate for the month and is in profit. There could be a super prize for the punter who has not only has the greatest strike rate but also the largest profit in the month.
Just some thoughts
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5.30 Chelm one point win on Union Spirit at 8/1 with bet365
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Three multiple bets today = 6 x doubles at 50p ans 4 trebles aqt 25p = £4 x 3 = £12.00
Multiples:
A 1.15 Km commanche Red 2/1
B 2.25 Km Song For Someone 7/4
C 3.02 Km Buzz 15/8
D 7.30 Chelm Time To Strike 11/4
Doubles Potential £28.56, Trebles £ 29.16
E 12.40 Km Palmers Hill 4/1
F 3.35 Km Black corton 5/1
G 4.10 Km Keep Wondering7/2
H 6.30 chelm Victory Bond 9/4
Doubles potential £64.94 trebles £ 98.34
I 1.15 Km Commanche Red 2/1
J 2.05 Lin Royal birth 7/2
K 3.02 Km Buzz 158/8
L 6.30 Chelm Victory Bond 9/4
Doubles potential £ £34.39 trebles £38.19
Singles: Class 6/7 Races (where there’s muck there’s brass)
5.30 Chelm Union Spirit £8 win at 8/1
= £20.00 total stakes
Daily results update:
Will post up later
“When placing a bet on a selection, never take SP and, always bear in mind that to make a profit, in the long run, the WINNERS have to pay for the LOSERS.” Always remember that if every favourite won the bookies would go out of business so don’t be afraid to oppose them
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Three multiple bets today = 6 x doubles at 50p ans 4 trebles aqt 25p = £4 x 3 = £12.00
Multiples:
A 1.15 Km commanche Red 2/1
B 2.25 Km Song For Someone 7/4
C 3.02 Km Buzz 15/8
D 7.30 Chelm Time To Strike 11/4
Doubles Potential £28.56, Trebles £ 29.16
E 12.40 Km Palmers Hill 4/1
F 3.35 Km Black corton 5/1
G 4.10 Km Keep Wondering7/2
H 6.30 chelm Victory Bond 9/4
Doubles potential £64.94 trebles £ 98.34
I 1.15 Km Commanche Red 2/1
J 2.05 Lin Royal birth 7/2
K 3.02 Km Buzz 158/8
L 6.30 Chelm Victory Bond 9/4
Doubles potential £ £34.39 trebles £38.19
Singles: Class 6/7 Races (where there’s muck there’s brass)
5.30 Chelm Union Spirit £1 win at 8/1
= £1.00 total stakes
Daily results update:
Will post up later
“When placing a bet on a selection, never take SP and, always bear in mind that to make a profit, in the long run, the WINNERS have to pay for the LOSERS.” Always remember that if every favourite won the bookies would go out of business so don’t be afraid to oppose them
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22 hours ago, MCLARKE said:
I should have kept quiet about the success of odds on selections, since my comment about 14 winners in a row I have now had 5 losers in a row with today being at an SP of 1/8, falling when in the lead at the last in a 2 runner race.
At least I'm away for a break for a few days so will forget all about the horses and concentrate on beer instead.
Hi there, sorry to learn about your recent losses; no doubt you will pick up again after your short break. I wouldn't have had you down as a beer man but I too do appreciate real ales that have been well cared for by proper cellar men; a rare sight these days. I hope you enjoy some decent beers.
As you know I have had a terrible run of late but there is light at the end of the tunnel. It has cost me over £250 to realise that one must never put class 6/7 horses in doubles and trebles but we all live and lean. An additional bonus for me is that in future I will be choosing such races for my singles bets. I was a bit unlucky not to show a profit on these wretched beasts today but I am now very hopeful for both my singles and multiple selections for the future
Have a decent pint for me
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2.55 Lin Halfacrown one point win at 12/1 with Bet365
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Three multiple bets today = 6 x doubles at 50p ans 4 trebles aqt 25p = £4 x 3 = £12.00
Multiples:
A 3.30 Lin Ginger Fox 9/4
B 3.35 war Kilcrea Bridge 11/4
C 4.40 War Cloudy Glen 11/4
D 5.00 Lin Autumn Trail 9/4
Doubles Potential £36.69, Trebles £ 42.66
E 2.20 Ex Ashfield Paddy 10/3
F 4.20 Ex Belle Empress 4/1
G 5.20 Ex Sheldon 2/1
H 3.00 War Deja Vue 9/4
Doubles potential £44.88 trebles £ 56.60
I 3.30 Lin Ginger Fox 9/4
J 4.20 Ex Dawson city 9/2
K 3.35 War Kilcrea bridge 11/4
L 6.15 Wolv Monn Trouble 5/2
Doubles potential £ £45.63 trebles £57.80
Singles: wretched class 6 animals
2.55 Lin Halfacrown £1.50 win at 12/1
4.00 Lin Englishman £1.50 win at 17/2
4.30 Lin Equipped £1.50p win at 12/1
4.30 Lin Fareeq £1.00p win at 9/1
5.15 Wolv Amnir Fati £1.00 win at 14/1
7.45 Wolv Roller £1.5 win at 7/1
= £8.00 Singlel stakes
= £20.00 in total
Daily results update:
B/Fwd loss from 1.2.20 -£179.88 one non runner yesterday so £16.00 staked. return on Multiples = £53.75 Less £16.00 = £37.75 Profit. Therefore balance C/Fwd = -£142.13
“When placing a bet on a selection, never take SP and, always bear in mind that to make a profit, in the long run, the WINNERS have to pay for the LOSERS.” Always remember that if every favourite won the bookies would go out of business so don’t be afraid to oppose them.
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Three multiple bets today = 6 x doubles at 50p ans 4 trebles aqt 25p = £4 x 3 = £12.00
Multiples:
A 3.30 Lin Ginger Fox 9/4B 3.35 war Kilcrea Bridge 11/4
C 4.40 War Cloudy Glen 11/4
D 5.00 Lin Autumn Trail 9/4
Doubles Potential £36.69, Trebles £ 42.66
E 2.20 Ex Ashfield Paddy 10/3F 4.20 Ex Belle Empress 4/1
G 5.20 Ex Sheldon 2/1
H 3.00 War Deja Vue 9/4
Doubles potential £44.88 trebles £ 56.60
I 3.30 Lin Ginger Fox 9/4J 4.20 Ex Dawson city 9/2
K 3.35 War Kilcrea bridge 11/4
L 6.15 Wolv Monn Trouble 5/2
Doubles potential £ £45.63 trebles £57.80
Singles: wretched class 6 animals
2.55 Lin Halfacrown £1 win at 12/14.00 Lin Englishman £1 win at 17/2
4.30 Lin Equipped 50p win at 12/1
4.30 Lin Fareeq 50p win at 9/1
5.15 Wolv Amnir Fati £1 win at 14/1
7.45 Wolv Roller £1 win at 7/1
= £5.00 total stakes
Daily results update:
Well at least some of the rot was stopped today with 3 winners yielding three doubles and one treble. Stake = £4.00 Return £53.75 = £49.75
Multiples: Original balance £800.00; = B/Fwd £508.74 Add £49.75 = £558.49 C/Fwd ROI N/A
Single bets:
Three losers today and one non-runner = a £3 loss on the day
Original Balance £400.00. = B/Fwd £344.83 Less £3.00 Loss = £341.83 C/Fwd ROI N/A“When placing a bet on a selection, never take SP and, always bear in mind that to make a profit, in the long run, the WINNERS have to pay for the LOSERS.” Always remember that if every favourite won the bookies would go out of business so don’t be afraid to oppose them.
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4 hours ago, thebestthere said:
Changes make sense.
I do agree but when they are made they should be for the better
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To be honest I would rather you settle at SP for the naps competition. Then, there is no doubt for all concerned about all outcomes.
PP You can save a lot of time by only checking for BOG qualifiers on selections that have either won or been placed. But, hey, you know that already.
PPS. I don't like EW options on Nap selections so you could eliminate them.
I do appreciate all your hard work, no matter what
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3 hours ago, BillyHills said:
There will be no BOG soon, mark my words.
Not sure what your problem is, surely its the same for everyone.
PS: Try settling 70 odd bets a day with different bookies and working out if it qualified for BOG?
Of course its up to the individual on whether they should take part, not sure if the betfair forum runs such a daily comp ??
It just seems fairer to me for you to use a 10 am cut off on the day for BOG qualifiers. Don't know how much extra inconvenience that would be. No real concern for me though.
More importantly, how do you know if someone in the naps comp is quoting the right odds about a selection the day before and its price is cut from say 20/1 to 5/1 on the following day?
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2.41 Hunt Say the Word one point win at 15/2 with bet365
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Not much time today so just one multiple bet today = 6 x doubles at 50p ans 4 trebles aqt 25p = £4 n total Doubles possible return = £65.92 & Trebles = £101.75
Multiples:
2.41 Hunt Project Mars 5/1
3.11 Hunt Miss Honey Ryder 7/2
3.41 Hunt Donatello Mail 3/1
4.11 Hunt Miss Heritage 10/3
Singles:
2.41 Hunt Say The Word £4 win at 15/2
3.11 Hunt Legends Ryde £4 win at 5/2
4.11 Hunt Itsonlyrocknroll £4 win at 6/1
4.11 Hunt Brambledown £4 win at 8/1
= £20.00 total stakes
Daily results update:
20 selections and only one winner; it can’t get worse can it?
B/Fwd £-159.88 less £20 - £179.88 YTD from 1.2.20
“When placing a bet on a selection, never take SP and, always bear in mind that to make a profit, in the long run, the WINNERS have to pay for the LOSERS.” Always remember that if every favourite won the bookies would go out of business so don’t be afraid to oppose them.
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Not much time today so just one multiple bet today = 6 x doubles at 50p ans 4 trebles aqt 25p = £4 n total Doubles possible return = £65.92 & Trebles = £101.75
Multiples:
2.41 Hunt Project Mars 5/13.11 Hunt Miss Honey Ryder 7/2
3.41 Hunt Donatello Mail 3/1
4.11 Hunt Miss Heritage 10/3
Singles:
2.41 Hunt Say The Word £1 win at 15/23.11 Hunt Legends ryde £1 win at 5/2
4.11 Hunt Itsonlyrocknroll £1 win at 6/1
4.11 Hunt Brambledown £1 win at 8/1
= £4.00 total stakes
Daily results update:
20 selections and only one winner; it can’t get worse can it?
Multiples: Original balance £800.00; = B/Fwd £520.74 Less £12.00 - £508.00 C/Fwd ROI N/A
Single bets:Zilch yesterday so a £7.00 loss on the day
Original Balance £400.00. = B/Fwd £351.83 Less £7.00 Loss = £344.83 C/Fwd ROI N/A
“When placing a bet on a selection, never take SP and, always bear in mind that to make a profit, in the long run, the WINNERS have to pay for the LOSERS.” Always remember that if every favourite won the bookies would go out of business so don’t be afraid to oppose them.
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5 hours ago, BillyHills said:
Well, OK, however, I feel that within the next few months all the bookies will move to a time such as 10am for BOG. It all depends on how much turnover they can produce overnight. Not much I fear. I'm all for making things simple but this just does not seem to be right. No worries anyway.
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2.50 Don one point win Brydon Boy at 16/1 with Bet365
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3 multiple bets today = 6 x doubles at 50p ans 4 trebles aqt 25p = £4 x 3 = £12.00 in total
Multiples:
BET 1 BET 2 BET
Race 1: 2.05 Nc No./Price (1) 2/1 (2) 7/2 (6) 15/4
Race 2: 3.10 Nc “ “ (6) 9/2 (10) 5/1 (14) 15/2
Race 3: 3.55 Don “ “ (4) 4/1 (3) 5/1 (2) 7/2
Race 4: 4.15 Nc “ “ (1) 16/5 (3) 11/4 (4) 4/1
Singles:
2.50 Don Kansas city chief £1 win at 7/1
2.50 Don Shantung £1 win at 7/1
2.50 Don River arrow £1 win at 7/1
2.50 Don Bryden Boy £1 at 16/1
2.05 Nc Sweet Marmalade £1 win at 11/2
3.10 Nc Keyser Soze £1 win at 7/1
4.15 Nc Paparazzi £1 Win at 7/1
4.50 Nc Alsvinder £1 win at 8/1
= £8.00 total stakes
= £20 in totalDaily results update:
Lost £20 on singles = B/Fwd - £159.88 form 1.2.20
“When placing a bet on a selection, never take SP and, always bear in mind that to make a profit, in the long run, the WINNERS have to pay for the LOSERS.” Always remember that if every favourite won the bookies would go out of business so don’t be afraid to oppose them.
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3 multiple bets today = 6 x doubles at 50p ans 4 trebles aqt 25p = £4 x 3 = £12.00 in total
Multiples:
BET 1 BET 2 BET
Race 1: 2.05 Nc No./Price (1) 2/1 (2) 7/2 (6) 15/4
Race 2: 3.10 Nc “ “ (6) 9/2 (10) 5/1 (14) 15/2
Race 3: 3.55 Don “ “ (4) 4/1 (3) 5/1 (2) 7/2
Race 4: 4.15 Nc “ “ (1) 16/5 (3) 11/4 (4) 4/1
Singles:
2.50 Don Kansas city chief £1 win at 7/1
2.50 Don Shantung £1 win at 7/1
2.50 Don River arrow 50p win at 7/1
2.50 Don Bryden Boy 50p at 16/1
2.05 Nc Sweet Marmalade £1 win at 11/2
3.10 Nc Keyser Soze £1 win at 7/1
4.15 Nc Paparazzi £1 Win at 7/1
4.50 Nc Alsvinder £1 win at 8/1
= £7.00 total stakes
Daily results update:
No bets yesterday so balance remains the same
Multiples: Original balance £800.00; = B/Fwd £520.74 ROI N/A
Single bets:
£11.50 Stakes and Nil returns = £11.50 loss on the day
Original Balance £400.00. = B/Fwd £363.33 Less £11.50 Loss = £351.83 C/Fwd ROI N/A
“When placing a bet on a selection, never take SP and, always bear in mind that to make a profit, in the long run, the WINNERS have to pay for the LOSERS.” Always remember that if every favourite won the bookies would go out of business so don’t be afraid to oppose them.
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I would have thought it more accurate to only allow BOG prices from 9 am on the day of racing as this seems to me what most bookies are now offering. Just a thought.
Naps - Sunday Feb 23rd
in NAP of the Day Competition
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4.20 Font Ostuni one point win at 10/1 with Betfair