Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap?

[SydCityKid]

Now i'm not trying to make false claims agaisnt Souths but does anybody else find it abit fishy that a team that can pull the likes of Asotasi,Vaguna,Kidwell,Widders and still have to pay another 22 players. Then on top of that be in the running with the ARU to sign Lote and now there heavily favoured to get Utai and Sailor? Not that souths don't deserve to rort the system a bit after so many years of suffering but i do find this all a bit odd. Does anyone else have agree or disagree with me?

[Crouch Potato]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? The cap was increased to 4m and the players they had prior to this season weren't worth a great deal and because of financial restrictions I'm pretty sure that they didn't spend the entire amount. Given the amounts reported about Lote that is a little suspicious but we have no way of knowing what the exact figure was. As for the kiwis they signed it doesn't seem too fishy to me, other clubs have a similar number of players of equal quality on their books, and once more there other 22 players are better.

[AJ]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? Everyone knows the system is bent under the counter payments, and pretend "employment" for players wifes in companys ran by major sponsers happens all the time. The warriors got caught last year, but I bet you every club does it in some fashion.

[Jumbo]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? AJ,at least we have a salary cap in League to even out the comp,the real fact is in League there are certanly dodgy deals going on but unless they are caught,we'll never know.Compare it to your own game Union when it was not professional and players were given high paying jobs and never actually had to go to work,thats true as well..As far as Lote goes their were discussions but no firm offer,that was his managers ploy to raise his price in Union,and the silly Aussie Union fell for it and over paid him.If the offer was real would Lote have gone to a meeting on his future in League or would he of gone surfing at the time when he was apparently meant to be at a meeting with Souths? As far as Rugby League go's it is different to Onion in the fact that players in League are there to compare themselves to the best in the most physically demanding sport there is,Onion players are more concerned with getting payed for doing nothing,or next to nothing.The Forwards in Onion deserve their wages but the backs salarys are just plain laughable. If the salary cap drove players away why are there not more of the Leading players in Union?Yes there are certain players who want more and get dodgy deals but no where near as many as in Union. I know you are a Rugby Union supporter AJ and I mean no offence to you personally but I myself am overjoyed at the fact that people in this Country,NZ are finally starting to realise that the skill levels in either codes are vasty different,for sheer competition,Officials and enjoyment,League far out shines Union,yes there are certain things in League that go un noticed but no where near as many as Union,tell me how many trys in Union come from Knock ons,forward passes and bad reffing?In the Super 14 for example and this is only one match,the Blues beat the Reds and so they should of but the margin in that game was a joke,one try was scored from a player standing outside the field of play when he got the ball in front of the official who said nothing and the last try from Kaino was scored from a knock on by Devine at the ruck and then Kaino picked the ball up in an offside position to then score. Rugby Union has stolen league players and stratergies for years and now find themselves in a weird position, the only way that Union can improve is to get rid of the ruck and Maul,stop players from flopping on the ground for a rest any time some one drops the ball, and these silly 3 min scrums,crouch,pause,engage,what a joke and if they do that was does their game become?Rugby League. SCK,you should know better bro,don't give onion supporters more reasons to try and put down the Great game of Rugby League,unless you have duped me imto thinking that you are a League supporter but are really a Onion supporter. Both games have their merits but to be truthfully honest,there are only 3 sides in Union that I will ever watch when ever they play,one is the All Blacks and the other is the Crusaders or Canterbury Union sides as those sides far outshine all the others for sheer pace,skill and enthusiasim. It annoys me when I see Union supporters still trying to explain why there old boys sport is still the best,when and lets be blunt,it most definitly is not. I'm sure we will talk this up comming weekend on the NRL thread SCK.

[AJ]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? Hey Jumbo, You misread me my friend, I'm not that much of a union fan over league. Certainly not going to claim it has a higher skill or fitness level that league. League has been professional for longer and standards are higher. In fact i've been to Mt Smart to watch the Warriors way more in the last 2 years (since I moved to NZ, 2 years this week btw) than I've been to Eden park to watch the blues. going to the Broncos match this weekend :ok I bet on the super 14 and enjoy watching it, but do agree some teams can be dreadful to watch, too much kicking. Only union teams I really enjoy to watch are the French, AB's, Blues and Crusaders.

[Jumbo]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? Sorry AJ mate,I stand corrected,apoligies.

[litmanen88]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap?

AJ,at least we have a salary cap in League to even out the comp,the real fact is in League there are certanly dodgy deals going on but unless they are caught,we'll never know.Compare it to your own game Union when it was not professional and players were given high paying jobs and never actually had to go to work,thats true as well..As far as Lote goes their were discussions but no firm offer,that was his managers ploy to raise his price in Union,and the silly Aussie Union fell for it and over paid him.If the offer was real would Lote have gone to a meeting on his future in League or would he of gone surfing at the time when he was apparently meant to be at a meeting with Souths? As far as Rugby League go's it is different to Onion in the fact that players in League are there to compare themselves to the best in the most physically demanding sport there is,Onion players are more concerned with getting payed for doing nothing,or next to nothing.The Forwards in Onion deserve their wages but the backs salarys are just plain laughable. If the salary cap drove players away why are there not more of the Leading players in Union?Yes there are certain players who want more and get dodgy deals but no where near as many as in Union. I know you are a Rugby Union supporter AJ and I mean no offence to you personally but I myself am overjoyed at the fact that people in this Country,NZ are finally starting to realise that the skill levels in either codes are vasty different,for sheer competition,Officials and enjoyment,League far out shines Union,yes there are certain things in League that go un noticed but no where near as many as Union,tell me how many trys in Union come from Knock ons,forward passes and bad reffing?In the Super 14 for example and this is only one match,the Blues beat the Reds and so they should of but the margin in that game was a joke,one try was scored from a player standing outside the field of play when he got the ball in front of the official who said nothing and the last try from Kaino was scored from a knock on by Devine at the ruck and then Kaino picked the ball up in an offside position to then score. Rugby Union has stolen league players and stratergies for years and now find themselves in a weird position, the only way that Union can improve is to get rid of the ruck and Maul,stop players from flopping on the ground for a rest any time some one drops the ball, and these silly 3 min scrums,crouch,pause,engage,what a joke and if they do that was does their game become?Rugby League. SCK,you should know better bro,don't give onion supporters more reasons to try and put down the Great game of Rugby League,unless you have duped me imto thinking that you are a League supporter but are really a Onion supporter. Both games have their merits but to be truthfully honest,there are only 3 sides in Union that I will ever watch when ever they play,one is the All Blacks and the other is the Crusaders or Canterbury Union sides as those sides far outshine all the others for sheer pace,skill and enthusiasim. It annoys me when I see Union supporters still trying to explain why there old boys sport is still the best,when and lets be blunt,it most definitly is not. I'm sure we will talk this up comming weekend on the NRL thread SCK.

:zzz - Rugby Union is not that bad. Rugby League can be dour too.

[Jumbo]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? Is that it? Go away.

[Jumbo]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? Actually litmanen88,as you are an intelligent individual and you took the time to come up with 11 words that must of drained your brain capacity a fair bit,I suggest that next time you try to say something at least expand and give some sort of explanation,but if thats to much for you then I fully understand. Fantastic words of wisdom there from you.

[litmanen88]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? Calm down. I am entitled to an opinion. I just see you slating rugby union completely. I like to watch both rugby league and rugby union. I dont need to go into the finer technical details of either sport. I would hope that you know these seeing that you tip on both codes of rugby. The Super 14 match between the Sharks and the Crusaders where Ndugane scored a try in injury time to win the match was far better to watch than the 10-0 win by Salford against Catalans where neither side seemed to be able to hold on to the ball. You are clearly a league fan and maybe like most league fans you have a complex which means you have to put down union at every opportunity. I enjoy watching and betting successfully on both sports (although dont quote my record on BettingAdvice :unsure ). Anyhow, I often see your tips on BetShoot and I am not displeased if you share the same opinion as me. If you use MSN I would like you to add me at [email protected] to discuss both codes :clap . If you dont have MSN or you dont want to speak with someone with such a drained brain capacity :drums then never mind but I am always on the look out for more contacts down under. :cheers

[Jumbo]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? I don't have a complex about Union,but if you want to quote anything I write then at least expand,sorry if I offended you,but I have lived my entire life hearing how great Union is and now even the hardest Union supporters in NZ are jumping ship as the skill levels of that code are rubbish. Are you questioning my ability to make money off my prefered sport?At least I am prepared to put myself out there and say it,rather than quote a fake record and dupe people into thinking I am something I most clearly am not,which quite a few people around seem to do,say they picked 6 winners after the weekend is gone,As far as me quoting my own record that is purely to help people to make some money off Rugby League if they want to,you included,No one is perfect but some do have better strike rates than others,however as I enjoy people taking advantage of my tips on my prefered sport I like to let them know i'm decent at it and do my research to help maximise their chances of winning,yes you are correct I do tip on Onion but only as League had'nt started yet and now that it has,I will still give the occasional tip on Onion but only if I see value. If you lived in NZ you would know that League fans don't have a complex,the fact is that here Union still trys to rubbish League at every chance they have,which is quite often. Yes I do have MSN but I prefer to talk to people I come in contact with on here or any site like this,I hide nothing.And yes if you ever want to talk then I am around and will always reply. As far as the Super League go's I would not compare that comp to the NRL,But you are correct that both codes should be taken on their own merits. I thank you for taking the time to reply with a good clear message this time,I wish you luck with all your future endevours and hope life treats you well.

[litmanen88]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? I wasnt putting your tipping down. I said if I read one of your tips and had I backed the same thing already then it made me even more confident. I wasnt quoting a fake record, I take my own bets and advise my contacts and take advice from my own contacs. I have contacts with a number of people in the industry but want to boost my contact list in your part of the world - Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. Through my work I speak to so many people that I am not bothered about who I add but I understand why you might be hesitant to add someone you dont really know. If you know anyone who likes to chat about Super 14 or NRL and bets on them, please let me know. Good Luck to you and it is a shame we got off on the wrong foot - I just get sick of people always trying to put Union down. Rugby Union in this part of the World is very poor, you should count yourself lucky you get to watch the Tri Nations and Super 14 which for me are the best two competitions (except maybe the Currie Cup - for pure entertainment value). By the way which Aussie books do you advise - I tried to open a TAB Account but I dont have a mastercard or visa card. Sportingbet I cant really open an account at because I know people who work there. That leaves Centrebet (Who I have an account with) but often are late to go up with total points and Sportsbook.au (Bill Hurley) but they like Tab dont seem to like debit cards or moneybookers. As for next weekend, there are a lot of Super 14 bets I like depending on the lines of course - though the All Blacks returning will throw a spanner in the works. Good Luck with your betting next week.

[Jumbo]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? I only really use Centrebet in Australia as they have the best options for League,sorry I can't be of more assistance there. I would advise Pinnacle as they have very good odds on most sports and are quite easy to open an account with. As far as the AB's returing to the Super 14 this weekend,The Blues only have Meealamu returning,the Cheifs should have Kellerher and Sivivatu as Mulliaina is injured now,the Highlanders Oliver and Hayman and the Crusaders Carter and Mc'Caw.I forgot about the Canes but they will have afair number back in especially in their forwards. At present the odds are'nt out here yet and I have'nt looked properley to find them,but just going on pure form alone,the Blues will eat the Waratahs for brekkie,lunch and dinner,I'm 100% certain on that,I will be tipping on a couple of the Super 14 matches on Betshoot this weekend,but to be honest mate,I would'nt take to much notice of the All Blacks returning as most of them are very much not match fit,however with the Crusaders with Carter and Mc'Caw they will improve 100%,If that helps you then good,but check betshoot later in the week and look at a couple of my tips,i'll update whos in and whos not,OK.

[litmanen88]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? Yes, I agree that the All Blacks returning may not make a huge difference to how the team's perform but I suspect it will affect how the oddsmakers set the lines. The handicaps will be even bigger on the New Zealand sides. I will be checking all of the sites for team news myself but without team news I fancy: Blues by 15+ Crusaders by 15+ Bulls by 1-5 Chiefs by 10-15 Sharks by 5-10 Hurricanes by 1-5 Good Luck to us both.

[Jumbo]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? Check out www.Super14.com,as they are very good with their club reports,however the one thing that lets you down is where you live mate,they update all their stuff on Thursday and Friday mornings which is the middle of the night for you and when the matches are played on the Friday at least its early morning your time,whatever the time is there its 12 hours in front here,your lines look about right,the Blues and Crusaders unless there are dramatic changes in fortune should both be covered,the others I have'nt even looked at yet as far as personal for either sides,anyway mate good luck to you as well,by the way i was'nt saying you were one of those"I've picked 6 winners without posting"just saying what i've noticed,good to talk to you.

[litmanen88]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? Thanks - will discuss more when lines are out - guess bit pointless discussing now. Those were my early predictions on winning margins in my opinion - lines may be very different (although we both know Blues, Crusaders will be huge favs, Chiefs also quite big favs and Sharks too - Bulls game will be interesting - wouldnt be surprised to see them as dogs though I fancy them - Lions game could well be pick - though I fancy Canes if thats the case). I use a number of sites including: Rugby365 TVNZ Sportal.au SArugby.com And a few others. I get to watch only two or three of the Super 14 games live a week so I am at a disadvantage in this respect too. But UK books offer the games in-running and they dont always read the games well - total points is a market you will find UK books differing to Aussie books in many times. Who do you fancy for the whole thing then - Crusaders, Blues look bankers for the semis along with the Sharks probably. That leaves one more place for one of probably Canes, Cheetahs and Blue Bulls. Will be interesting to see who gets that one. It is hard to see passed Crusaders winning the whole thing though I see why people like the Blues and the Sharks have shown how dangerous they can be. As long as you oppose the Aussies, you will do OK ;)

[Jumbo]

Re: Rugby League Re: How Do Souths Fit Under The Salary Cap? It's a toss up between the Canes and Bulls really,i'd lean towards the Canes but the Bulls have a few matches left at home and they are a different side in SA,so hard one to call. We don't get totals in games here and I tend to steer away from totals in the Super 14 anyway,but if the NZ sides are involed points will be scored you can bank on that,Crusaders and Blues matches this weekend will be high scoring for sure,I might have a look around for you and update you later in the week.