alkarkar Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System Sorry , there was an error in formulas and some some errors in first table. Thanks Sousa :ok Results so far ( correct i hope) : DateP/L11-Nov-6,000012-Nov9,302513-Nov10,1350SUM13,4375 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevearmstrong Posted November 14, 2006 Author Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System Hi alkarkar, Are you taking into account the dailynaps *Best Nap* as this can make a huge difference to the number of points, or just going with the naps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sousa Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System I believe he only considers the naps because sometimes www.dailynaps.co.uk doesnt keep the naps selection updated. For instance they stopped putting them in the 7 and started again the 11 this month. Do you know which criterias they have for selecting the best nap? Im testing this system with some modifications (maybe not the best ones). I consider >=5 an EW bet and bet the double for place. For example: 0.5pts on win and 1pt on place. Need to keep the trail up cuz Im having a loss. GL :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkarkar Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System Update later tonight or tommorow. Which were the "dailynaps" BEST NAP of previus days (since 11-Nov) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sousa Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System I only have information about the best nap on the 6th this month which was Turpin Green at 13:45 Carlisle who came 1st. From the 7th to the 11th this month dailynaps didnt post any. :ok P.S. Not a very good day today :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkarkar Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System Lets make it more intresting. I'll try to keep track of 3 staking plans: 1. Initial plan No bet if Win odds 5.00 (0.5 pts to win and 0.5 pts to place - total 1 pts) Win Odds are the Max recorded odds at the time just before the off from Oddscheker (from bookies). Separate Win / Place bets - tracks 2. 3-2-1 plan Its the well known plan. Win bets only No bet if Win odds 2.0 and 4.0 and 7.0 3. Fixed 1 pt liability plan Win bets only No bet if Win odds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkarkar Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System Tips / naps taken from Racingpost. Results so far ( i hope with no errors ) :tongue2 Initial idea WIN BETS Initial idea PLACE BETS 3-2-1 WIN BETS Fixed 1pt Liab WIN BETS Date Bets Staked P/L Yield% Bets Staked P/L Yield% Bets Staked P/L Yield% Bets Staked P/L Yield% 11-Nov 20 18 0,25 1,4 10 8,5 -6,25 -73,5 20 36,5 13,25 36,3 20 20 0,5 2,5 12-Nov 20 19 9,79 51,5 7 4 -0,49 -12,3 20 48,5 22,12 45,6 20 20 19,6 98,0 13-Nov 28 23 10,08 43,8 11 7 -3,7 -52,9 28 56 24,25 43,3 28 28 20,2 72,1 14-Nov 22 14 -2,75 -19,6 8 5 -1,31 -26,2 22 30 -5,25 -17,5 22 22 -5,5 -25,0 SUM 90 74 19,3 36 24,5 -11,8 -41,2 90 171 54,37 26,9 90 90 34,8 36,9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkarkar Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AYM Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System Hi! Maybe tip to make the system even more profitable (great results anyways...). Racing post and Sporting Life show the the profit/loss with level stakes (exactly one of our systems) of the different tipsters. Maybe just cut of the bad ones (like all under -5, -3, ...)? Greets AYM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sousa Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System Impressive results so far alkarkar and good work too. Keep it up. Cheers :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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alkarkar Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System Just noticed: At 16 Nov Racingpost site at naps table had the "The Sun Templegate " with 0 points and that it tiped the "Brave Villa" at Hrfd 1:50 . The horse was a winner with odds of 1.73 (SP 8/11) but after the todays update at Racingpost the " The Sun Tenplegate " has 7.18 points !!!! I may have recorded points wrongly ( i only copie-paste the naps table wich i keep record ) but does anyone has this newspapers profit of 16 Nov ? If i'm not wrong Racingpost makes mistakes ( as i do :tongue2 ). AYM your idea is allmost ready but i dont know what to do after this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkarkar Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System I found it. At Racingpost they haven't uptaded "The Sun Templegate " 's profit correctly , at 15 Nov was +1.45 pts and at 16 Nov it sould have been +6.45 after a succesfull tip at odds of 6.0 . Instead they wrote 0 pts and this was the mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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alkarkar Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System Hi everyone. I made some changes to the staking plans and now they are 10 of them! I really believe that when you trialing something you should find in the beginning the basic principles – trends and then search further ,but what the hell, excel is already modified so lets start with an update. General Guide Horse Racing Paper trial Every day Racingpost and Sportinglife are posting the “naps†which are the daily propositions - selections by many newspapers – journalists. These tips (taken from Racingpost) will be our bets modified as below: RULES – STAKING PLANS 1 and 2 Name: Initial idea No bet if Win odds 5.00 (0.5 pts to win and 0.5 pts to place - total 1 pts) Win Odds are the Max recorded odds at the time just before the off from Oddscheker (from bookies) Place odds are calculated from the win odds the same way bookies calculate them Separate Win / Place bets – record 3 Name: 3-2-1 plan It’s the well known plan Win bets only No bet if Win odds 2.0 and 4.0 and 7.0 Win Odds are the Max recorded odds at the time just before the off from Oddscheker (from bookies) 4 Name: Fixed 1 pt liability Win bets only No bet if Win odds Question: How do you rate a given tip as a good one? Answer: Among other things, by the number of tipsters tipping it and by how good they are (profitable or not) Below plans try to check this. 5 Name: Tips >=2 1pt Liability Win bets only No bet if Win odds No bet if given tips for the bet is 1. (Must been tipped by more than one tipster) Every bet will risk to loose 1 pt Win Odds are the Max recorded odds at the time just before the off from Oddscheker (from bookies) 6 Name: Tips >=2 All Odds 1pt per Tip Win bets only Every tip will be a bet regardless of odds No bet if given tips for the bet is 1. (Must been tipped by more than one tipster) Every bet will risk to loose 1 pt per Tip regardless of odds Win Odds are the Max recorded odds at the time just before the off from Oddscheker (from bookies). Last 4 Plans examine if and how much the profitable tipsters are really good. For these 4 Plans any profit/loss will be taken from Racingpost as posted there at their “Naps Table†( I will only be summing their numbers ) Every day (I hope) I will update previous day performance 7 Name: Tipsters P/L >= - 3 Win bets only Every tip will be a bet regardless of odds The tip will be a bet if the tipster suggesting it has profit/loss greater or equal than -3 (minus 3 ). Tipsters Profit/Loss as posted and calculated at Racingpost Every bet will risk to loose 1 pt per Tip regardless of odds 8 Name: Tipsters P/L >= 0 Same as above except that: The tip will be a bet if the tipster suggesting it has profit/loss greater or equal than 0 ( zero ). 9 Name: Tipsters P/L >= +3 Same as above except that: The tip will be a bet if the tipster suggesting it has profit/loss greater or equal than +3 ( plus 3 ). 10 Name: Tipsters All Same as above except that All tips will be bets regardless of the performance of the tipsters I use the symbol “comma†( , ) instead of the dot ( . ) at decimals ( Greece’s default ) I will be posting full selections – results first days and after that only the updated final tables. If anyone wishes full results, just ask. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vegas Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System Many thanks for your hard work. Thought provoking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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padman Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System Hi, Some of those staking plans are looking VERY good at the mo. Thanks for posting and keeping this going. It is appreciated. GL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AYM Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System Hi! Win Odds are the Max recorded odds at the time just before the off from Oddscheker (from bookies) So the odds are not from betting exchanges like betfair? These odds are often higher... Another suggestion for better odds: You also say that you take the odds at the time just before the off for your trial. I think that a lot of people follow the NAPS. So it´s maybe best to bet a soon as possible (f.e. when most of the bookies published their odds) because the odds get lower for the NAPS. What do you think? Greets AYM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkarkar Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Re: The Nap-Attack System Hi, from AYM: So the odds are not from betting exchanges like betfair? These odds are often higher... MANY doubts about that ( note that they are the MAX recorded ) I think that a lot of people follow the NAPS. So it´s maybe best to bet a soon as possible (f.e. when most of the bookies published their odds) because the odds get lower for the NAPS The proper men to ask this is "Pinhofap" who had a thread testing "this" idea a while ago. http://www.punterslounge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33668 Why dont you record odds at the time of posting (midnight?) and odds at the time before off? I did it for very sortly a while ago , so no conclutions. I remember cases winning but and others loosing (without obvious reason) It defently needs testing, anyone intersted? How do you get in the quoted text the phrase " Originally posted from ...." ? Do you type it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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