merlin Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. ..... some interesting observations there Ed, and some with a valid point. You are absolutely right about when and where results are entered that effect the 3-0 situation, and punters cannot sit tight all day long to record results as they come in, so as to be able to ensure correct results are caught there and then. Iv'e been doing it this way for three seasons gone and the fourth one starting so I can see no merit in changing things around now.I guess there is always going to be discrepancies one way or another, so I will soldier along as always in the groove I am forging now.As regards the Leicester City match I have this one down to be played on Wednesday 1st October, and yes it is a 3-0 selection as below:- Leicester C (a) 2.40 Onwards and upwards.;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grex Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. Well done, Merlin, with the weekend selections..... and good luck with the Leicester prediction. By the way, most web-sites (including the infallible BBC ;)) are showing the Leicester match for 19.45 on Tuesday 30 September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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merlin Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. ..... good results Lorenzo, but aren't they just the reverse of the 3-0 system selections?;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorenzo. Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. ..... good results Lorenzo' date=' but aren't they just the reverse of the 3-0 system selections?;)[/quote'] Well, yes. I mean, if MW sheets show at least 3-0 win then I will lay the loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Eddie Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. ..... some interesting observations there Ed' date= and some with a valid point. You are absolutely right about when and where results are entered that effect the 3-0 situation, and punters cannot sit tight all day long to record results as they come in, so as to be able to ensure correct results are caught there and then. Iv'e been doing it this way for three seasons gone and the fourth one starting so I can see no merit in changing things around now.I guess there is always going to be discrepancies one way or another, so I will soldier along as always in the groove I am forging now.As regards the Leicester City match I have this one down to be played on Wednesday 1st October, and yes it is a 3-0 selection as below:- Leicester C (a) 2.40 Onwards and upwards.;) Quite right Merlin, you've done great work over the last few seasons and any discrepencies (which I think are few and far between, especially as the season progresses) are ironed out in the long run anyway. The theoretical ideal of for example entering the 3pm game results before getting predictions for the evening games is essentially impractical in a real life situation so isn't really much good to people who might want to have a few pennies on your system When I'm doing my "Low Goals and Under" system I'll do it like you with a real world approach but I may also try and keep a record of results with the other way just for the stats record on my spreadsheets. Talking of which I'm having a bugger of a time trying to understand the Sumproduct function and I might have to try DCOUNT or something different, anyone any good with excel? I think I'll go and ask on MrExcel - they have some incredible experts on there who seem to have the solution to everything, perhaps I'll try them on the meaning of life too:loon Also, Lorenzo mate, you seem to be on a roll there with the laying the losers on the 3-0s, you should really have had a loser by now but even if you had a couple now you'd still be ahead, keep it going, have you settled on a definite level for the stakes or is that part of it your own subjective opinion on your feeling as to the strength of the bet. I always like "Level Returns" but I notice that doesn't seem to get used a lot on the PuntersLounge and of course in the long run winning systems aren't really decided by the staking plan (unless it's something mad of course). Anyway I'm rambling now so I'lll be off, Good luck to all:hope Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarky101 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. One +2 tonnight Leicester @ 2.54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. ..... the one selection for tonight League One duly obliged away from home, to make the latest position now:- Total Staked 90.00 Avg Stake Total Returned 131.28 10.00 Yield 1.459 45.86% Winners 7 Losers 2 Strike Rate 77.78% Current Bank 141.28 Profit / Loss 41.28 Onwards and forever upwards!:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. .... after recent successes, the 3-0 system has duly highlighted the following for consideration this weekend:- Arsenal (a) 1.69 West Ham U (h) 1.89 Reading (h) 1.69 Scunthorpe U (a) 2.33 Kettering T (h) 1.64 Borussia Dortmund (h) 1.88 Onwards and upwards dear friends.;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrhead73 Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. Great start Merlin. I shall be following as ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrhead73 Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. One game for my EPL Unders this weekend (which has been pretty poor so far). WBA v Fulham UNDER 2.5 Goals Stake £1 Odds 1.9 (Bet365) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fast Eddie Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. Barrhead73, what's your criteria for selection of the Unders? Last night the MW sheets spat out five selections in the Championship games for the "Low Goals Under 2.5" system 30-Sep-08 Cardiff City Coventry City 30-Sep-08 Crystal Palace Charlton Athletic 30-Sep-08 Doncaster Rovers Sheffield United 30-Sep-08 Ipswich Town Barnsley 30-Sep-08 Southampton Norwich City 3 won and 2 lost. Here is the position so far: Starting Bank 100.00 Current Stake 10.00 Bets so far 14 Winners 8 Losers 6 Strike Rate 57% Average price 1.83 Total Stakes 140.00 Total Returns 146.85 Yield % 4.9% Profit/-Loss 6.85 ROCE % 6.8% Most of the time I'll be using Betfair prices and subtracting 4% commission as in real life situation (only paper trailing at the mo). Plenty more selection for this weeken I'll put them up on Friday. adios Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted October 1, 2008 Author Share Posted October 1, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. ..... why don't you copy and paste your above table from your spreadsheet Ed.Will save work in the long run and it looks good too.Easy to do, no problem at all, anyone can do this.:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrhead73 Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. Eddie Criteria is EPL games selected as draws become Under 2.5 goals selections. It worked ok last year but has got off to a slow start this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Eddie Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. ..... why don't you copy and paste your above table from your spreadsheet Ed.Will save work in the long run and it looks good too.Easy to do' date= no problem at all, anyone can do this.:ok Merlin, I do copy and paste from excel but mine doesn't come out as a nice white table like other people's, maybe I'm missing something out, perhaps in the formatting in the spreadsheet, I don't know. I ran a search on here and google but nothing came up so it's probably just one of those strange Microsoft things, or should I be doing some sort of formatting when I construct a post on here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robkor Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. Fast Eddie, Are you using Firefox? If so, then that's the problem. Try using Internet Explorer or download a free IE plugin for Firefox... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Eddie Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. Excellent, thank you very much robkor. I am using Firefox, so I'll go and have a look for that plugin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted October 2, 2008 Author Share Posted October 2, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. ..... just a straight forward copy and paste Ed, nothing else. I tried it with the spreadsheet you sent, and it worked fine with IE.You will need to outline some of your boxes in the sheet to make it look better and perhaps click on centre to get it into the middle of the boxes.;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lorenzo. Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. Bet nr 15: LAY Bolton against West Ham @ 5,4 to win 10 :hope Bet nr 16: LAY Burnley against Reading @ 6,4 to win 10 :hope Bet nr 17: LAY Sporting Gijon against Mallorca @ 6,6 to win 10 :hope Bet nr 18: LAY Lecce against Lazio @ 10,5 to win 10 :hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted October 3, 2008 Author Share Posted October 3, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. ..... Is this a paper trial Lorenzo? Otherwise the liabilities total some 249 points, a bit rich for some quarters.;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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happygooner Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. I'm coming back to the fold to try something I mentioned previously: Providing Clarky & Merlin don't mind I'm going to take their 2 & 3 goal systems which have been so successful and use them on the asian handicap. On betfair there are 3 options for each AH market so will just use the closest one to evens for each favoured team: So first game will be Leeds 12 O'Clock Kick Off Leeds -0.5 @ 2.05:hope Oh and going to use a 10 point stake in terms of this thread so that results will be comparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happygooner Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. Always nice to get a winning start.... Arsenal -1AH @ 2.01 - 2x stakes I guess considering they are a selection for both the 2-0 & 3-0 systems:hope Reading -1AH @ 2.01 Wolves -0.25AH @ 2.12 Walsall -0.25AH @ 2.09 Leicester -0.25AH @ 1.96 Scunthorpe Straight Win (-0.5 odds much worse) @ 2.28 Kettering Straight Win (AH not available in Conference Market on Betfair) @ 1.71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happygooner Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. Man U -1AH @ 1.96 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happygooner Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. The Leeds game was -0.25 by the way, not that it matters anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Eddie Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. Starting Bank100.00Current Stake10.00Bets so far22Winners12Losers10Strike Rate55%Average price1.81 Total Stakes220.00Total Returns218.91 Yield %-0.5%Profit/-Loss- 1.09 ROCE %-1.1% Not so good today, 4 winners and 4 losers but as prices are nearly always gonna be below 2.00 not good enough, will be interesting to see how things progress over the coming weeks and months. Can't really make any judgements yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorenzo. Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Re: Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment. ..... Is this a paper trial Lorenzo? Otherwise the liabilities total some 249 points' date= a bit rich for some quarters.;) No. Like I said when I started it - it's not paper trial. And the liability is 249, yes. But my bank at the moment is 347,25 so it's not a problem ... Reading won 3-1, but Lazio is 1-0 behind ATM ... looks bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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