moFace Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 ok personally i think vc is by far the most easy to use and nice to look at, however probably not the best to play, but thats probably because its the one i first used maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Pro, rose is talking about cash games where if you sit out and miss a round of blinds, then to get back into the game you have to post both blinds. In this situation, the small blind that you post is referred to as a 'dead' blind. This is from ultimatebets rules: If a player sits out in a game and misses the big and small blind, the player must post both blinds before being dealt another hand. If the player is not in the big blind position, he will be prompted to post the big and small blind and the big blind will be live and the small blind will be dead (meaning it doesn't count toward the player's bets on that round). the two of you are talking about different things.. ie. dead buttons is nothing to do with dead blinds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelopeys Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 4. Whats wrong with playing americans exactly? Or Scandinavians for that matter??????????? :@ OOOOPS:::WRONG QUOTE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelopeys Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 5) Very few americans or scandanavians. Ahhhhh...now I know.... Scandinavians are simply too excellent players, Pro... Sorry...thought you were offending us... but really you were praising us... God bless you, Child... Will go easy on you in the future ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePro19 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Ahhhhh...now I know.... Scandinavians are simply too good players, Pro... Sorry...thought you were offending us... but really you were praising us... God bless you, Child... Will go easy on you in the future ;) Pene I've said before, the 2 Scandanavians I know on PL - yourself and PeeGee - are not in this category, but 95% of other Scandanavians I've come across and played against (mainly on Prima) are crap poker players. Why? Because they (and many Americans fall into this category too) have turned the game into a game of total luck and no skill. They will play any 2 cards and chase it down to the river, and then when they get a lucky hit (which seems to be very often!) they make out that it was skillful play, which it most defintely is not. Further, they don't understand what a bluff is. Calling someone's raise with a rubbish hand, and then hitting 2 pair is not a bluff, but merely a crap play that once again relied 100% on luck and got it. I play poker for fun, and whether it be for play money, $1 or £100, I would still play them as if they were all the same value and meant the same. I try to play a skillful game, but I've realised that against these players no skill in the world is any use, so the only way to keep any sanity about poker is to avoid them... hence one of the reasons why I like Cryptologic and not Prima. When I'm entering STT's, unless I know the players, I avoid Scandanavians and Americans like the plague... no offence to you or PeeGee. I have no problems being beaten by good poker (even if it is frustrating), but I do have problems beeing beaten by Scandanvian and American crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswest Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Thepro is talking about tournament play, and he's wrong. Not about prima doing that - but every site do it EXCEPT for crypto, who don't because they ballsed up. The BB is also skipped in live play, it's standard WSOP rules etc, which would follow if you think about what the alternative is. If a player is eliminated on their BB, then the player immediately to their left skips posting a BB and the BB is passed one player further along, so the player who should have been the BB becomes the SB. If that wasn't the case, the poor guy to the right of the eliminated BB would have to post two SB's in a row, which is obviously more unfair than the alternative. Dead blinds you have to post on every site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePro19 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 the two of you are talking about different things.. ie. dead buttons is nothing to do with dead blinds And that was exactly what I was trying to get accross... but rather unsuccessfully. Prima do NOT handle the dead button scenario correctly. I apologise about the lack of knowledge about the dead blind. I don't often play cash games, but when I do, I ALWAYS play every hand. I can't see the point in sitting out. If I don't wish to play, then I leave the table, and so have never come across the situation. Having said that, does this rule apply on all sites? I remember a post not too long ago where someone mentioned about a player who would sit out the 2 blinds positions, then come back in on the button and only pay the BB, effectively saving himself the SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePro19 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Thepro is talking about tournament play, and he's wrong. Not about prima doing that - but every site do it EXCEPT for crypto, who don't because they ballsed up. The BB is also skipped in live play, it's standard WSOP rules etc, which would follow if you think about what the alternative is. If a player is eliminated on their BB, then the player immediately to their left skips posting a BB and the BB is passed one player further along, so the player who should have been the BB becomes the SB. If that wasn't the case, the poor guy to the right of the eliminated BB would have to post two SB's in a row, which is obviously more unfair than the alternative. Dead blinds you have to post on every site. Sorry, but YOU ARE WRONG. Read my explanation of the Dead Button... and ask any REAL poker professional. In fact, on telly a few days ago, a poker pro - Gary Bush - explained exactly this... YOU CANNOT MISS A BLIND, AND YOU WILL ONLY POST ONE BB AND ONE SB PER ROUND. You online players are really starting to bug me with your lack of understanding of the rules... and it's turning the live game into a farce too because you turn up without any knowledge of the rules and can't cope because there are no buttons to press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelopeys Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Pene I've said before, the 2 Scandanavians I know on PL - yourself and PeeGee - are not in this category, but 95% of other Scandanavians I've come across and played against (minaly on Prima) are crap poker players. Why? Because they (and many Americans fall into this category too) have turned the game into a game of total luck and no skill. They will play any 2 cards and chase it down to the river, and then when they get a lucky hit (which seems to be very often!) they make out that it was skillful play, which it most defintely is not. Further, they don't understand what a bluff is. Calling someone's raise with a rubbish hand, and then hitting 2 pair is not a bluff, but merely a crap play that once again relied 100% on luck and got it. I play poker for fun, and whether it be for play money, $1 or £100, I would still play them as if they were all the same value and meant the same. I try to play a skillful game, but I've realised that against these players no skill in the world is any use, so the only way to keep any sanity about poker is to avoid them... hence one of the reasons why I like Cryptologic and not Prima. When I'm entering STT's, unless I know the players, I avoid Scandanavians and Americans like the plague... no offence to you or PeeGee. I have no problems being beaten by good poker (even if it is frustrating), but I do have problems beeing beaten by Scandanvian and American crap. Pro, you are just saying that because we are PL's... I play my game very differently and the way I play it depends on the buy in or the amount of points I can achieve if I get far... ...what I am trying to say is... I can play any 2 cards and chase it to the river... if the buy in is small... and mess tight players game up... If a lot is at stake I will play tighter... sometimes... That make me a "crap poker player" in your book.... (but a wealthy one might I add :tongue2 ) And lastly... I will refer to GaF's post in the Bad Beat thread... If you get bad beats with good hands very often... then you have to rethink your strategy... Good players don't suffer bad beats very often... neither by Americans nor Scandinavians... :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 You online players are really starting to bug me with your lack of understanding of the rules... and it's turning the live game into a farce too because you turn up without any knowledge of the rules and can't cope because there are no buttons to press. Okay now this is enough! Quite frankly I have had enough of the rants. PL is a friendly place and this thread was supposed to be a debate on the pro's and con's of individual networks. I couldn't give a rat's ass if you are right or not pro, I really couldn't. I have the right to play where I like and against who I like under what terms I like. I cam also tell you without a doubt that there is NO DIFFERENCE in MY experience between online players and Casino players. Oh, and if you don't believe me I play the same way in both. My 2nd live tourney I came top 20, and was a little stupid getting tied to an AQo - MY mistake and a lesson learnt. The insulting tone of your posts must stop now, or I will have to act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cains Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Okay maybe my vote was coloured on boss media.. But i have never had any problems with them. Connection wise or anything else.. Also support has always been fast for me as well.. But i do like other sites as well.. Pokerstars is good i think.. Good blind structure in MTT. (for my TAG play) ;) Thegamingclub poker (cant remember software) is also a good place for me.. With some great MTT results past 4month. around 25$ staked. Won above 1000$.. :tongue2 So that must be goood as well.. :cow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswest Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Sorry, but YOU ARE WRONG. Read my explanation of the Dead Button... and ask any REAL poker professional. In fact, on telly a few days ago, a poker pro - Gary Bush - explained exactly this... YOU CANNOT MISS A BLIND, AND YOU WILL ONLY POST ONE BB AND ONE SB PER ROUND. You online players are really starting to bug me with your lack of understanding of the rules... and it's turning the live game into a farce too because you turn up without any knowledge of the rules and can't cope because there are no buttons to press. OK, firstly I'm not an online player primarily, not that it'd say anything about how much I know or how good a player I am if I was. I learned to play cards in casinos around CA, and had been playing for a couple years before I ever sat down to play in front of a computer. And though I normally played cash, in every instance a BB and SB were compulsory in Hold'em games and if need be the BB was skipped. Secondly, it makes zero difference in so far as how it reflects on the software, it's such a trivial and unimportant point. It doesn't really benefit anyone as it's equally likely to happen to anyone at the table, and there's a whole different kind of inequity in having a dead button. Thirdly, even if I am just plain wrong you're being rude. Your tone is insulting, to me in this particular case, but as a rule, to whomever you come accross. Particularly the random xenophobia you demonstrate with your rants about the scandinavians/americans/whoeverbeatyoutoday which quite frankly irritates the hell out of me. And lastly - I was just talking with a friend of mine on messenger about this, before I got back and read your message. I've never played in a UK casino - he was telling me that compulsory posting is common here but that he's skipped blinds elsewhere in europe. It's likely house rules, it doesn't really matter which a casino/site does so long as it's applying the same rule to everyone. I read that it's against house rules to check-raise with the nuts in some Scottish casinos! Poker is a game of huge variations from site to site, casino to casino, country to country. That's all this is, you can't really do anything 'wrong' so long as everyone in a game's subject to the same rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomell Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Handbags gentlemen ;) I myself prefer Crypto but to be far i have the majority of my poker funds in these sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelopeys Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Thirdly, even if I am just plain wrong you're being rude. Your tone is insulting, to me in this particular case, but as a rule, to whomever you come accross. Particularly the random xenophobia you demonstrate with your rants about the scandinavians/americans/whoeverbeatyoutoday which quite frankly irritates the hell out of me. . Leave it Guesswest... our messages won't get through... :\ I totally agree with you, but might as well leave it for now :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moFace Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 guys have a think about what your getting narked about, is it really that important lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedonist Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 I voted for the Tribeca network due to biased reasons, the only tournament I have ever won was on Blue Square, the only time I have ever won anything on a buy in MTT was on VC and my biggest win was in the VC Inside Edge freeroll. As to missing blinds dispute, what happens in a home game if someone leaves when it is his turn to deal, does the same person deal twice or do the cards pass to the player on his left who last posted the BB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelopeys Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 I voted for the Tribeca network due to biased reasons, the only tournament I have ever won was on Blue Square, the only time I have ever won anything on a buy in MTT was on VC and my biggest win was in the VC Inside Edge freeroll. As to missing blinds dispute, what happens in a home game if someone leaves when it is his turn to deal, does the same person deal twice or do the cards pass to the player on his left who last posted the BB? Same player deals twice... you never miss your blinds, even if someone leaves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswest Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 In a cash game, by the rules I play (evidently not the ones thepro uses) that's result in 2 big blinds being posted to the left of the dealer..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosco Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Here's one for you, Which are your 4 favourite Boss media sites. Used SO, Celeb, poker heaven, and Virgin. so it wont let me use poker.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 I know - that is a right royal pain in the ass. :eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomell Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Thirdly, even if I am just plain wrong you're being rude. Your tone is insulting, to me in this particular case, but as a rule, to whomever you come accross. Particularly the random xenophobia you demonstrate with your rants about the scandinavians/americans/whoeverbeatyoutoday which quite frankly irritates the hell out of me. For what it is worth i agree with Guesswest's comments. Poker does tend to bring out the worst in people for some reason. Lets keep this forum a nice, polite, informative place to come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 The BB is also skipped in live play, it's standard WSOP rules etc, which would follow if you think about what the alternative is. Actually, I don't think that's right. The WSOP rules say a dead button is used in tournament play. http://www.harrahs.com/wsop/rules.html If a player is eliminated on their BB, then the player immediately to their left skips posting a BB and the BB is passed one player further along, so the player who should have been the BB becomes the SB. If that wasn't the case, the poor guy to the right of the eliminated BB would have to post two SB's in a row, which is obviously more unfair than the alternative. As I understand it, the "dead button rule" means that the big blind always moves to the next player still in, but nobody has to post the small blind twice in a row because if the BB is eliminated then there is no SB on the next hand. I'm pretty sure that's how Prima do it, anyway. This means that everybody gets to post one BB and one SB each round until they're eliminated (at the expense of having an occasional hand with only a BB and no SB), which seems fairer to me than the method you describe, where you avoid posting a BB if the player to your right is eliminated on his BB. But as you say, the rules seem to vary from place to place, and so there's no "right" way to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn@BF Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Betfred is my fave..... but i have to say that! :ok Whilst i am here i may as well plug the Betfred Million again, daily qualifiers, semi finals on Fridays and Sundays, Final on June 4th. Buy direct into the tourney for $1k. Thanks :tongue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosco Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Martyn What's your job at Bet Fred? Marketing by any chance?:clap:clap:clap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn@BF Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Yeah, and i am also the resident PuntersLounge shitbag. I get picked on a lot, mainly by Carl and Mr. P. Ross. :notworthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Martyn, when are you going to tell us what them "betfred points" are for? They've been visible for a few weeks now but with no info on what they're worth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Intensity Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Martyn, when are you going to tell us what them "betfred points" are for? They've been visible for a few weeks now but with no info on what they're worth? I've asked Live Help about 10 times and they keep saying it'll be ready in a few days:lol :lol :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswest Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Actually, I don't think that's right. The WSOP rules say a dead button is used in tournament play. http://www.harrahs.com/wsop/rules.html As I understand it, the "dead button rule" means that the big blind always moves to the next player still in, but nobody has to post the small blind twice in a row because if the BB is eliminated then there is no SB on the next hand. I'm pretty sure that's how Prima do it, anyway. This means that everybody gets to post one BB and one SB each round until they're eliminated (at the expense of having an occasional hand with only a BB and no SB), which seems fairer to me than the method you describe, where you avoid posting a BB if the player to your right is eliminated on his BB. But as you say, the rules seem to vary from place to place, and so there's no "right" way to do it. Seems you're right. The way it always worked out in the casinos in CA was for cash games if the BB busted or left, 2 BB's and no SB would be posted to the immediate left of the departing player. Then those same two players would both post SB's and the guy to their left would post a BB. But for SnG's (I never played a MTT) it was just skipped. I guess from that I extracted in my head that it was standard US tournament rules. In any event, prima certainly aren't the only provider to do this. It's all kinda secondary though, I certainly have no problem entertaining the idea that I don't have perfect knowledge of tournament rules, it was mostly just thepro's lack of manners I was taking issue with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn@BF Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 The Betfred points are a new thing that were implemented in the last upgrade but have not yet come in to effect yet. Its all pretty top secret and i am not one to gossip but... you can earn Betfred points for raked hands. The more the rake the greater the points upto a max of $3. The points go towards your 100% bonus, and will make them even easier to earn. Basically, its a better and easier way to get your bonus. :clap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Re: What's your favourite site? Part 1 Can i change mine to betfred after this? I was rivered twice off bigmal in the heads up, JJ vs 66 and 88 vs 52 (hit his strait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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