swooperman Posted May 21, 2005 Author Share Posted May 21, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies 2nd ODI Pakistan batted first & scored 258-8 off their 50 ovs, & bowled WI out for 218. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdy Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Seeing no one else has done it, 3rd one dayer won by Pakistan. Series won 3-0. Pak 303-6 50 overs WI 281 All out 49.3 overs Series Highest Run Scorers: Pakistan - Youhana, 101 WI - Gayle, 192 Series Highest Wicket Takers Pakistan - Razzaq, 8 WI - Collymore, 6 Not looking good for the Test Series for the Windies!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr onemore Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Actually, I think the West Indies will be a completely different prospect in the Test Matches. South Africa and Pakistan are also two really in form ODI outfits - West Indies were given a thrashing admittedly, but they're tough teams these two. Of course they really do need some of the batsmen to get there act together, but that's very possible imo and I don't think the Pakistan bowlers are so good. I'd expect Lara back in the team, but it will be interesting - Morton looks a decent player to me - too slow for the ODI's but fine for Tests. I think Chanderpaul batted very well on the whole too. With Pakistan missing Inzaman (and Malik, that right????) for the first test, I think West Indies have every chance of putting up a good performance. The 3rd ODI against South Africa was just a real tragedy, and I think West Indies would have preferred to pack up right there and then. Everyone's been waiting for the Test Series...I foresee a different attitude from West Indies... Haven't looked at any odds yet - but will be intersted to see what West Indies go off at....maybe some value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted May 24, 2005 Author Share Posted May 24, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Bet365 have opened: 4/1 WI, 23/20 Pakistan, 5/4 the draw. Nothing from Stan yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted May 25, 2005 Author Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Test Series Stats: Total tests between the two: 39 Pakistan won: 12 WI won: 13 Drawn: 14 Matches in WI: 19 Pakistan: 3 WI: 9 Drawn: 7 West Indies lead the series count 5-3, & Pakistan have never won a series in WI, but they hadnt won a One-Day series here before this week either.... Runs between the two: Inzaman 11m, 840rs, 177hs, 52.5avg, 3x100 Youhana 5m, 549rs, 146hs, 78.42avg, 3x100 Afridi has also scored a ton v WI No WI players have scored 500 runs v Pakistan, not even Lara....(I might double-check thatTBH) although Wavell Hinds scored 165 v Pakistan in the 2000 test @ Barbados. Bridgetown Stats: Tests HS: 668 Aus v WI 1954/5. There have been 4 totals over 600 Tests scores under 100: 4, inc 94 v Eng last year. Overall Tests: 42m, won batting first 12, second 15, drawn 15 WI v PAK: 5m, batting first 1, second 1, drawn 3 The toss winning captain has fielded 25 times here WI record: 42m, w20, l7, d15. They have won both results v Pakistan Avg runs per wkt here: 33.55 per wicket: 1) 34.8 2) 35.8 3) 31.8 4) 28.3 Recent WI v PAK tests: 2000 Pak 253 & 419-9d, WI 398 & 132-4 (chasing 275) 1993 WI 455 & 29-0, Pak 221 & 262 1988 Pak 309 & 262, WI 306 & 268-8 Personal ground records: Lara 14m, 1161rs, 176hs, 50.47avg, 2x100 Chanderpaul 10m, 685rs, 137*hs, 48.92avg, 2x100 Sarwan 7m, 365rs, 84*hs, 33.18avg Team news: Inzaman is suspended for Pakistan so Younis Khan leads for the first time, & Bazid Khan makes his debut. A lot is relied upon Naved-ul-Hasan for the bowling. Lara returns along with Dwayne Smith who played in the 'rebel affected' 1st SA test, but not since. Would be very surprised to see bradshaw makehis debut after 30ODI caps & he'd never been deemed to be good enough for tests before. Forecast is ok, a few showers around, & I'm not sure that either side has enough to bat throughout for a draw so laying it looks good to me. The only downside is that both bowling attacks dont look great, but the greatest pressure is, as ever on Lara, who has not scored a ton v Pakistan. If theres no change here, fancy Pakistan. Stan James: WI 9/2 Pak 11/8 draw Evs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted May 25, 2005 Author Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies PS. WI lost the last 4 tests here...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdy Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies This from Cricinfo: West Indies (probable) 1 Chris Gayle 2 Devon Smith 3 Ramnaresh Sarwan, 4 Brian Lara, 5 Shivnarine Chanderpaul (capt), 6 Wavell Hinds, 7 Dwayne Bravo, 8 Courtney Browne (wkt), 9 Ian Bradshaw, 10 Fidel Edwards, 11 Corey Collymore Pakistan (probable) 1 Yasir Hameed, Shahid Afridi, Younis Khan (capt) 4 Yousuf Youhana 5 Asim Kamal 6 Bazid Khan 7 Abdul Razzaq 8 Kamran Akmal 9 Rana Naved-ul-Hasan 10 Danish Kaneria 11 Shabbir Ahmed Well after a bit of luck with top batsmen in the 1 day series Ive decided to use a bit of that profit and give it annother shot in the tests. Always a tough bet and especially in a 2 match series 1 big score (which several batsmen have the potentiial to score) could be all it takes. I had a few statistics from recent series which Ive lost but in summary: For Pakistan, Younis Khan has been Pakistans top run score in their last 2 series so no reason to suggest why @ $4 (Bet365), hes not worth annother crack. Innzy out for game 1 also improves his chances. Bet365 also have Butt favoured but it looks like he wont play, leaving Youhana, Hameed, Bazid, the other most likely contenders. The latter of which Bazid Khan, making his debut is paying $17. This kid had a very good recent series for Pakistan A in Sri Lanka where he top scored with an average of 112. 2 tons and a 50. Must be long on the market since hes probably expected to make way for Innzy upon his return, however if he goes well in the first, hell likely be kept on for the second. Value, I think. He also had a good 66 (top score I think) in the final 1 dayer. For the WIs, we basically have to choose from: Lara, Gayle, Sarwan, Chanderpaul, Smith, and Hinds. For a betting option where any of the above have a good chance to win, Lara is too short for me. Chanderpaul looks to be the good choice for. Highest scorer in the last series against SA, and at $5, I think hes the best choice. A consistent test player, I feel he should be closer to a $4 shot so slight value. Well run out of time, so betting summary Top team bat (series) Bet365 1 unit Chanderpaul @ $5 1 unit Younis Khan @ $4 1/2 unit Bazid Khan @ $17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian3012 Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies swoop..... i laid the draw on this test at 2.26 half an hour before the kick off... any idea why after 40 mins, 1 wicket and a dropped catch.... odds on draw have shortened to 2.06? :cry oh wait .... 2nd wicket down... i'll recheck odds now... hmmm..... back up to 2.24 now.... surely with early chances and wickets there would be less chance of a draw? unless there's a hurricane on the way? i don't get it.:( (prices from betfair by the way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian3012 Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies ahh.... light drizzle just started.... has to be the weather? still they're playing on thru it.... lets get some water on the pitch!:hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted May 26, 2005 Author Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies I'm not really sure why it comes in like that straight away TBH, Ian....suppose its just that the pitch is obviously not a shocker I suppose. 235-4 WI, Lara gone for 130. WI 7/2, Pakistan 8/5, draw Evs I took Pakistan earlier on my system @ 15/8 & 9/4. You can basically bet on either side of when Laras out TBH.....& lay the draw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted May 26, 2005 Author Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies WI bowled out for 345, should have got more really, Chanderpaul was out for 92. Laras 130 off just 120 balls. WI 4/1. Pakistan 8/11. draw 2/1 Pakistan finished on 22-0 off 4ovs dont think Pakistan will be far away from this, but cant see them getting miles past it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted May 27, 2005 Author Share Posted May 27, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Pakistan were bowled out for just 144, & some of the shots have to be seen to be believed......WI again lost early wickets, but closed on 168-4, 369 ahead. Will be looking for 550 in front i reckon if they get the chance. 3 days play left. WI are around 1/9, the draw 16/1 & Pakistan only 5/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted May 29, 2005 Author Share Posted May 29, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies WI were bowled out second time around for 371, Chanderpaul scoring 152*, & Pakistan were set 572 to win, & promptly collapsed to 16-3. Afridi teed off this morning & was out for 122 off 95 balls inc.9x4 & 6x6 :eek but it only delayed the inevitable & Pakistan eventually fell for 296 to lose by 276 runs. Inzi will return for the second test on friday, & possibly also Youhana, as Pakistan looked weak without them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdy Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Quick Question!! Either Ive made a BIG **** up, or Bet365 has, can someone help on this one!! SelectionsTime of bet: 26/05/2005 03:46:41 Event DateEventSelectionsOddsE/W TermsResult130/05/2005West Indies vs Pakistan 1st Test - CO Browne (Player Performance)Under 69 1.83NoneLost Stake: 1000.00To Win: 833.33Returns: 0.00 Total Stake: 1000.00 Total Returns: Can someone clarify that this should be a winnner, or that Im an idiot and have made some sort of huge cockup!! Cheers!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Think they've got it right. 4 catches = 40pts 1 stumping = 25pts 13 runs = 13pts total = 78pts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdy Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Cheers!! Thought it was total runs scored in the match. Bugger!! Just to note, although I feel about as stupid as one can, the bet was in Yen, not dollars, so maybe not as big of a cockup as it may have looked at first glance. Anyway, with regards to the test series itll be interesting to see how the second plays out. With the exception of Afridis innings, their batting was shocking. Anyone know the likelyhood of Youhana returning?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr onemore Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Wow!! I'm taking it 1000 Yen is not so much then. Thought you'd made a real shocker for a moment there mate!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulenos Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies British Pound 1 GBP in GBP American Dollar 1.8227 0.548637 Australian Dollar 2.39105 0.418226 Brazilian Real 4.36719 0.22898 Canadian Dollar 2.29387 0.435945 Chinese Yuan 15.0856 0.0662885 Danish Krone 10.7909 0.0926705 Euro 1.45027 0.689527 Hong Kong Dollar 14.1746 0.0705488 Indian Rupee 79.1234 0.0126385 Japanese Yen 196.633 0.00508562 Malaysian Ringgit 6.92626 0.144378 Mexican Peso 19.8401 0.050403 New Zealand Dollar 2.55209 0.391836 Norwegian Kroner 11.5781 0.0863696 Singapore Dollar 3.02404 0.330684 South African Rand 11.966 0.08357 South Korean Won 1822.7 0.000548637 Sri Lanka Rupee 182.179 0.00548911 Swedish Krona 13.3319 0.0750078 Swiss Franc 2.24629 0.445178 Taiwan Dollar 57.0322 0.0175339 Thai Baht 73.6006 0.0135868 Venezuelan Bolivar 3908.96 0.000255823 using values from Monday, May 30, 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdy Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Haha, yeah when I re-read the post I noticed that it could look like a $1000 bet, hence the edit. I put 4 of these bets on, all for a bit of extra interest, came away with 2 from 4 but all the end results were opposite from what I had expected (assuming runs was the only criteria) Note to self : Read the bet description from now on!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted May 31, 2005 Author Share Posted May 31, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies word on Youhana is that after he returned home prior to the first test to visit his sick father, he has intimated to the press that he would be unable to return to West Indies in time for the match. The PCB however has stated that they are extremely hopeful that he will return & play & just have not received confirmation of this from him. Reading between the lines he probably wont play, & bearing in mind the reasons for his departure the PCB arent blaming him as such, but they will make sure it is seen as his decision & not theirs, as they will want to be seen as doing everything after the first test hammering. Inzaman returns, & Shabbir Ahmed will play despite being reported for a suspect bowling action in the firsty test. Its a good job that Inzi returns as some rumours say that Shahid Afridi tried to thump Younis Khan when he was asked to open :loon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted May 31, 2005 Author Share Posted May 31, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Tino Best is in for the Windies in place of Fidel Edwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted May 31, 2005 Author Share Posted May 31, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Stan James 2nd Test Odds: WI 3/1 draw 5/4 Pakistan 6/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted May 31, 2005 Author Share Posted May 31, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies 1/100 England anyone :rollin or the 1st inns handicap of 325.5 runs @ 5/6..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Being played at Sabina Park. Only 3 draws in last 18 games there. One was abandoned on day 1 v England, one was rain affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Pakistan haven't won in last 9 away to WI, not much chance of draw. West Indies @ 3/1 the bet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted May 31, 2005 Author Share Posted May 31, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies I cant see a draw either, neither of these sides have the longevity to bat their half of the match putting it simply....& if one does they wont be able to do it long enough to make up for the other one.....Lay the draw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted June 1, 2005 Author Share Posted June 1, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies 2nd Test, Sabina Park, Jamaica. (friday start) Tests - 40 Won by side batting first - 9 Won by side batting second - 18 Drawn - 13 Ave.runs per wkt - 34.16. Per Inns - 1)34.0 2)38.1 3)30.2 4)32.9 Ave.run rate - 2.82 WI record - m40, won 21, lost 6, drawn 13 Last 4 Tests on ground: 2004. Bang 284 & 176. WI 559-4d. 2004. WI 311 & 47. Eng 2003. SL 208 & 194. WI 191 & 212-3 2002. WI 422 & 197. Ind 212 & 252 Previous WI v Pak Tests: 1977. WI 280 & 359. Pak 198 & 301 1958. Pak 328 & 288. WI 790-3d Over 700 has been passed here 3 times Over 400 has been passed here 24 times, but by WI only 4 times in the last 10 years - 427 WI v Ind 1997, 431 WI v Aus 1999, 422 WI v Ind 2002, 559-4d WI v Bang 2004 There have been 8 scores under 150 here, with 3 in the last 6 years. There have been 15 individual double centuries scored here. WI have batted here 14 out of 21 occasions that they have won the toss. Individual Records: Lara 10m, 922rs, 213hs, 61.46avg, 2x100 Sarwan 4m, 451rs, 261*hs, 75.16avg, 1x100 Chanderpaul 7m, 351rs, 101*hs, 39.00avg, 1x100 Collins 3m, 16 wkts @ 20.87 Draws: As Dave pointed out, there has been only 3 draws here in the last 18 tests. So I looked at the overs bowled in each of the last 12 tests to determine how much of the match was theoretically still available: 2004 - 297ovs result 2004 - 216ovs result 2003 - 336ovs result 2002 - 358ovs result 2001 - 398ovs result 2000 - 353ovs result 1999 - 270ovs result 1998 - 10ovs draw/abandoned v England due to 'lively' pitch 1997 - 398ovs draw. WI 427 & 241-4, Ind 346 & 99-2 1995 - 315ovs result 1994 - 338ovs result 1991 - 313ovs draw. only 3 innings. So current rules are 90 overs a day, thats a possible 450 overs in the test. Take into account slow over rates in the Carribean & lose 8 a day due to light, & only 1997 & 2001 have come close to their being a full test match played, & never has 400 overs been bowled in this timescale. So even if a full days play is lost due to weather, only 1 result would have been turned into a draw........ The weather forecast is cloudy thursday, friday, thundery saturday & cloudy again sunday. WI - Tino Best comes into the side for Fidel Edwards, which is a loss for WI as Edwards bowled well in Barbados. Pakistan - Youhana is definetly not playing as he says he is not in the right frame of mind to travel & play a test. This is a blow for Pakistan as he scored 2 tons on the last tour of WI. Inzaman returns as captain. Pakistan will be hell bent on winning here to draw the series, but its worth remembering theyve only won 3 of 19 tests in WI, & lost both here. They have the players to, & will surely push to play the game at a high tempo to try & force a result, & the return of Inzi is un-estimable IMO. If the West Indies decide to try & see this game out as a draw from the start, they will lose IMO, because they are not good enough to do that. They are very inconsistent but I wouldnt at all be surprised for Lara to have another long knock as hes good in these situations, but they must play to win, & Chanderpauls captaincy could be transparent here. If this ground had a good recent record, I'd be tempted to say draw, as neither bowling attack fills me with optimism for 20 wickets.....but it doesnt, so lay the draw for me I think, as I expect one innings to be less than a day, & that will force a result as long as 3 & 1/2 to 4 days play are possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted June 1, 2005 Author Share Posted June 1, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies Cant see the point in doing a thread for England v Bangladesh as wont be much interest at all, so I'll list the odds here: Stan james: Eng 1/100, draw 12/1, Bang 100/1 Handicap is 325.5 runs, 5/6 either side England winning margin: Under an inns 7/2 Inns & 0-49 runs 9/2 Inns & 50-99 runs 4/1 Inns & 100-199 runs 3/1 Inns & 200-299 runs 7/2 (won last test @ 8/1) Inns & 300 + runs 8/1 Eng not to win 12/1 Normal batting matches available - Tresco v Strauss, Bell v Vaughan, & also bowling matches of Harmy v Hoggard @ Evs the pair & 15/2 the tie, but the one that interests me is Jones v Flintoff at the same prices, I'm going to have a look at the first test cards as I'm working on the theory that with Flintoff returning from injury & only recently bowling they're certainly not going to overbowl him, so Jones will have a bigger share of the overs, particularly with no Giles also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies CO Browne performance - Under 71 @ 1.83 In his 19 Tests, Browne has reached 71pts on just 7 ocassions. If you were going on past performance this would make the fair odds roughly 2.71 for 71+ and 1.58 for under 71. 4 of these 71pts+ were achieved in his first 6 Tests, meaning his got there just twice out of his last 13 games. One of those was only with the help of a stumping (which you have to discount here, as WI don't get them too often). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldfallopian Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Re: Pakistan in West Indies the one that interests me is Jones v Flintoff at the same prices, I'm going to have a look at the first test cards as I'm working on the theory that with Flintoff returning from injury & only recently bowling they're certainly not going to overbowl him, so Jones will have a bigger share of the overs, particularly with no Giles also. Flintoff will get a proper workout at the Riverside as Vaughan and Fletcher will want to see if he can bowl a full quota of overs. Insofar as you can get a 'full quota' in against the Banglas. Still, Ladbrokes are offering 6/1 for Simon Jones to be the top wicket taker and the way he's got the away swing going at the moment (Troy Cooley's tweaked his action over the winter and it seems to be coming good) augurs well for The Riverside where a 'green mamba' is expected. He's only two behind Hoggard in the standings thus far and looks like good value at 6's. Hoggard was arguably the worst of the bowlers at Lord's though and picked up the most wickets so there's an undeniably random nature to these tests which makes betting tricky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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