KK overbet

[Haichan]

The following hand took place last night in the $10,000 guaranteed R/A. We are out of the rebuy period. Blinds are 300/150. I'm in Big Blind with KK and player on button has been very loose. I put him on QQ and overbet both to isolate and to encourage him to make call thinking I had AK which he does. The fact he hits his 4 outer on the river doesn't change my view that I think their was nothing wrong with my move. However having lost a lot of 90/10 flips recently is starting to question this move. Welcome any views ***** Hand History for Game 3483041467 ***** (IPoker) Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 10, 11:16:01 ET 2011 Table 10000 Guaranteed RA 563090131 (Real Money) Seat 4 is the button Seat 1: Spytnic27 ( $16888.00 USD ) Seat 2: avagod ( $14880.00 USD ) Seat 3: GodSaveTheKK ( $10030.00 USD ) Seat 4: PAOKARAKOZANI ( $9042.00 USD ) Seat 5: starboy1 ( $11580.00 USD ) Seat 6: Haichan10 ( $10697.50 USD ) Seat 7: AitA22 ( $16105.00 USD ) Seat 8: BERTONEC ( $21480.00 USD ) Seat 9: SabrinaOLDB ( $3095.00 USD ) Seat 10: eaglef10 ( $11565.00 USD ) starboy1 posts ante of [$50.00 USD]. Haichan10 posts ante of [$50.00 USD]. AitA22 posts ante of [$50.00 USD]. BERTONEC posts ante of [$50.00 USD]. SabrinaOLDB posts ante of [$50.00 USD]. eaglef10 posts ante of [$50.00 USD]. Spytnic27 posts ante of [$50.00 USD]. avagod posts ante of [$50.00 USD]. GodSaveTheKK posts ante of [$50.00 USD]. PAOKARAKOZANI posts ante of [$50.00 USD]. starboy1 posts small blind [$150.00 USD]. Haichan10 posts big blind [$300.00 USD]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to Haichan10 [ Kc Ks ] AitA22 folds BERTONEC folds SabrinaOLDB folds eaglef10 folds Spytnic27 raises [$900.00 USD] avagod folds GodSaveTheKK folds PAOKARAKOZANI raises [$1800.00 USD] starboy1 folds Haichan10 raises [$10347.50 USD] Spytnic27 folds PAOKARAKOZANI calls [$7192.00 USD] ** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, Kd, Tc ] ** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ] ** Dealing River ** [ Js ] PAOKARAKOZANI wins $19534.00 USD from main pot Haichan10 wins $1655.50 USD from main pot PAOKARAKOZANI shows [Qd, Qh ]

[Samba_SamPa]

Re: KK overbet Your read was right, you got the call you wanted, he got lucky... what is there about the move to question?

[SteveO]

Re: KK overbet 90/10 flip?:unsure You're never a 90/10 fav in any hand preflop.

[Haichan]

Re: KK overbet

90/10 flip?:unsure You're never a 90/10 fav in any hand preflop.

Sure this was 80/20 preflop. Most of the ones I have lost recently the money was all in after the flop when I was 90/10

[andyfmfb]

Re: KK overbet Unlucky, the only street your getting away from this on on 5th, though had i read he was loose, i may have played the pot for his 6bb 3 bet, as he really could have any ace/face in his range. Lets you then either rep the ace or get away, though here you hit the jackpot with the set. Again, very unlucky.

[Esox]

Re: KK overbet Just unlucky, you wanted action quite correctly and it didnt work out, play was 100% in my opinion.

[aleksiej90]

Re: KK overbet You say that the man on button was very loose... So why u tell that u put him on QQ if he is loose ? A 3bet pre flop on the button by a Loose player it's about 10-15% of hands, so TT+, KJs+, KQo+... So it's hard to say that he ve got the QQ. Your move is ok, but not perfect. Now he call you cause he had QQ, but with KJs he would fold and u don't want that. A reraise to 3600 will be good to, cause u and him would be in a situation all in or fold on the flop, and i think if he is loose, on a flop without Ace if you check he would go all in and you can easy call.

[BDLGRENOBLE]

Re: KK overbet I think you did almost everything right: + with KK you cannot allow 2 opponents seeing the flop. Reraise is the only solution. - Why reraise all-in? 3 times the last raise was 5400. I know it's half your stack but it would have leave you with 17BB if you had a nightmare flop (AQQ ie) and folded. Let's imagine the same play with a 5 400 reraise and a call. The pot is then 11 850$. Flop cames AKT. You're beaten by: - AA which is unlikely because he would have raise all-in preflop. - QJ which is unlikely because he wouldn't have raise preflop thus call your 4bet. With a set KKK you have no choice but All-in and the pressure switches to him. He must think: - I'm beaten but there are 6 outs (4 if he considers he needs both Q to win but considering AKs AJs might be in your range say 6). My hand odd is 47/12 (4/1). - Calling your all-in is facing a pot odd of (5300+11850)/5 300 =3.2/1 - If he is using the odds, 4/1 is weaker than 3.2/1 and he folds - If he is not, he follows praying for 20% of luck. This is a general thinking but in your case a 5400$ reraise would have been half his pot and he would have raise all-in. Then you would have lost on a bad beat. I'm always playing all-in with KK it's not the bubble and I'm sure being ITM. But I think it's a poor strategy. In the early rounds of tournaments you can face 2 or 3 desperados gambling and leave the tournament with sour taste in the mouth. I should change and prefer a 1/6th of my stack raise or a 3 times the last raise. It allows you folding if facing a nightmare flop. In your case, you played right and got a bad beat.