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Pirate53 reacted to Wildgarden in Pricing your own race
Have pretty much same as you, managed to post picks on racing chat this time.
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Pirate53 reacted to richard-westwood in Pricing your own race
645 south
Another angel 8.5 7/2 9/4 no value
Slowmo 7.2 4/1 3/1 no value
Another angel should take a lot of beating ...
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Pirate53 reacted to richard-westwood in Pricing your own race
515 south
Love your work 9.2 7/2 9/4 no value
Legal reform 8.2 4/1 5/2 no value
Iva refection 7.8 9/2 7/2 no value
Love your work looks to have the strongest form and shoukd run a big race
Love your work 9/4 to win
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Pirate53 reacted to richard-westwood in Pricing your own race
Only southwell on today so I'll have a play
445 south
Mukha magic 9.4 3/1 2/1 no value
Mr carbonator 6.8 9/2 15/2 value
Mukha magic looks to have strong form coming into this and should run a good race
Mukha magic 10pt win 2/1 bet365
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Pirate53 reacted to richard-westwood in Pricing your own race
Only small races so no ew really but good to just rest the formulas in small races ....I'm quite happy in the small races but I'm working on a diff formula for the big races ....I've had some success but need more races to test it on ...was hoping taunton was gonna run as I'd picked a test race there but called off .....I think with so many horses in big races fairly close together I thought it just needs a diff approach to sort them out .....in the big races I want a formula that I know I dont need to look outside the top 3 or 4 rated regardless of race size so the bets almost become automatic .....I'm trying about 5 or 6 diff combinations to see which one is the best ...and 1 of them has given .....race 1 .2nd and 4th ....race 2 3rd ....race 3 ..1st and 4th ....race 4 2nd 5th 6th .....all big 18 runner plus hcaps so I dont think it's just luck ..all prices up to 25/1 .....but I need more test races to make sure not just fluke but it looks very exciting and still a month to go before chelt .....so I'm currently just testing various guns ?? before the war
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Pirate53 got a reaction from richard-westwood in Pricing your own race
Top 2 1st & 2nd, Poetic 3rd, Al Muff 4th!
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Pirate53 reacted to Villa Chris in Pricing your own race
Not a fan of the all weather racing but I reckon you’d win more on it with the ratings. Could be wrong like, but just an observation.
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Pirate53 got a reaction from Villa Chris in Pricing your own race
Top 2 1st & 2nd, Poetic 3rd, Al Muff 4th!
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Pirate53 got a reaction from Wildgarden in Pricing your own race
Top 2 1st & 2nd, Poetic 3rd, Al Muff 4th!
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Pirate53 got a reaction from Wildgarden in Pricing your own race
Wolves 18.30
Secret Victory 16.31 5.25/1 11/4 No Value
Amaysmont 15.28 11/2 11/4 No Value
Al Muffrih 14.96 6/1 25/1 Value!
Snow Ocean 14.23 6/1 5/1 No Value
Poetic Force 13.98 6.25/1 10/1 Value
Atheeb 13.80 13/2 5/1 No Value
Kaser 13.44 7/1 7/1 About right
Incredibly close h/cap. Al Muffrih down to last winning mark but no form on AW or at the distance.
Top 2 probably have it, Poetic Force worth a small dabble.
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Pirate53 reacted to richard-westwood in Pricing your own race
350 leopard sat ladbrokes hurdle
Moyglass flyer 7.6 12/1 7/1 no value
Ciel de Niege 7.3 13/1 11/1 no value
Hes a hardy bloke 7.3 13/1 11/1 no value
I'll take these 3 ....5pts each and 2pt win doubles on all selected horses above in all 3races.....shoot for a big prize
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Pirate53 reacted to MCLARKE in Pricing your own race
I would use strike rate as a logical way of adjusting for age.
The strike rate by age in handicap chases is :-
4 0.18 5 0.15 6 0.16 7 0.14 8 0.12 9 0.11 10 0.10 11 0.08 12 0.07 13 0.06 14 0.07 15 0.12 -
Pirate53 reacted to Villa Chris in Pricing your own race
Catterick 2.00
Legalised 8.15, 5/1(13/2) no value
Bryden Boy 7.95, 8/1(7/1) value
Bailarico 7.78, 14/1(7/1) value
Big Penny 7.15, 5/1(15/2) no value
Jessiemac 7, 10/1(8/1) value
top 5 rated in a field of 11. Bailarico looks the standout bet in terms of value and is not far off top rated .
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Pirate53 reacted to richard-westwood in Pricing your own race
Secret ambition value bet wins easily ....the non hcaps ran well today so just need a few more test races to confirm things are working but happy so far
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Pirate53 reacted to richard-westwood in Pricing your own race
Mouheeb wins ...meshakel 2nd ...happy with that
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Pirate53 got a reaction from Villa Chris in Pricing your own race
My suggestion:
4/5 1
6/7 0
8 1
9 2
10 3
11 4
12 5
13 6
14+ 7
For 10 yo and up add yrs since last win, then knock total off hcap mark.
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Pirate53 got a reaction from Villa Chris in Pricing your own race
Devise an age scale maybe? Or just knock the horses age off the handicap mark?
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Pirate53 reacted to richard-westwood in Pricing your own race
Trying some non hcaps
Uae 2000 guineas thurs meydan 340
Mouheeb 9.6 4/1 11/8 no value
Naval crown 9.5 4/1 6/4 no value
Meshakel 8.1 5/1 9/2 no value
Only 6 runners so mainly just to check ratings
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Pirate53 got a reaction from Wildgarden in Pricing your own race
I was right to be worried!
Top 4 came 2nd-5th.
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Pirate53 got a reaction from Wildgarden in Pricing your own race
Kempton 18.30
Precision Storm 19.33 4.75/1 9/4 No value
No Nay Bella 17.81 5/1 11/2 Some Value
Toro Dorado 17.58 5.25/1 13/2 Value
Charlie Arthur 16.58 5.75/1 7/1 Value
Rick Blaine 16.00 6/1 25/1 Value
Party Island 13.16 15/2 15/2 About right
El Salvaje 12.19 8/1 7/2 No value
Top rated no bet.
I have a bet on El Salvaje from a tipster I follow. Bit worried now I've done this!!
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Pirate53 reacted to richard-westwood in Pricing your own race
Mission boy was 4th ....been one of those funny outsider days today ...
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Pirate53 reacted to richard-westwood in Pricing your own race
Yes I agree the larger value horses say 5th onwards are dubious unless there is a particular reason to think otherwise they are value bets of course but if your form ratings are accurate then they are up against it .......what I'm finding is most races are won by the top 4 or they go damn well close so I've been short listing my top 4 then going deeper to see if I can narrow it further .....I think if your value bet is in the top 2 then those are very good bets ...I'd call them gold bets .....if top 4 and good prices then silver bets ...weve had 2 40/1 in top 4 so I think if there are huge priced horses there dont be afraid to back them because if their form rating is strong enough to get them into top 4 then they can win regardless of price
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Pirate53 reacted to Trotter in Pricing your own race
I think this is the way I would approach this ....... you try and do ratings that you're confident about then obviously you have to think that the winner will be your top rated horse ......... otherwise there's no point doing ratings
The second step would be value .... to see if your top rated is value. If not don't back it even if you think it might win according to your ratings
There are plenty of races every day ..... if you stuck to backing your top rated horses that were also 'value' you've got half a chance. Leave the other races alone.
I suppose the other way would be to look at your tip 3 or 4 rated and see if any are massive prices for EW betting
I'm a bit wary of concluding that my 8th top rated, a 100/1 shot, is 'value' because I make it a 66/1 shot. There are still 7 horses that you think are more likely to win!
So I think you should be concentrating on your top rated for win purposes 'if' they are also value.
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Pirate53 got a reaction from richard-westwood in Pricing your own race
Southwell 17.40
Samovar 15.36 4.75/1 3/1 No value
Nick Vedder 13.63 11/2 9/4 No value
Knowing Glance 12.66 6/1 11/2 About Right
Triple Spear 12.43 6.25/1 14/1 Value
Another Angel 12.23 13/2 16/1 Value
Ventura Flame 12.02 13/2 14/1 Value
Excessable 11.76 7/1 7/2 No value
Top 2 way ahead so no bet for me.
Excessable interesting, came 3rd behind Samovar last time out. Hugh Taylor selection.