In Running Betting?

[BillyHills]

Been thinking about this for a while now and wondered how 'in Running Punters' cope with the obvious disadvantage from either not being able to watch on terrestial TV or not having someone on course. For those who dont know anyone watching via At The Races or Racing UK get 'live' pictures second hand so to speak about 6 seconds later than in real life. Is it just the fact that so many are on a delay that the prices are available anyway, if so someone must be on to winner if you have bots or info from the course live. Anyone into this in a heavy way? Any thoughts? The passage below is from an MP who tried to ban it last year.

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Punters can be in a bookmakers or at home watching a so-called live transmission, not realising that the pictures are subject to a delay of six or even seven seconds. That is a long time in a horse race and even longer in a dog race, where the dog from trap 1 can be past the winning post when the rest of the dogs are not even at the final bend. I pay tribute to the News of the World campaign, which has highlighted the problem in recent months. It recently showed two pictures: one from terrestrial television and one from SIS—Satellite Information Services. On both the televisions, the time was exactly the same. On one of the televisions, the favourite and its market rival were coming to the last jump; that was on the delayed screen. On the real screen, which was showing the actual time of the race, the favourite had fallen at the last. People were betting in running on the favourite losing. People who knew that the favourite had fallen were betting on that. Many punters who were betting on the favourite did not realise that it had fallen at the last hurdle. Clearly, someone who is betting in running and watching the race on a delayed screen is at a major disadvantage to someone who is at the track or someone watching on a different monitor. As I said, the problem is more pronounced in dog racing, where we are talking about one length per second—people can imagine the consequence of a six or seven second delay.

[billy the punter]

Re: In Running Betting? Although I'm a regular in-running player, I have to say that only a small % of my turnover is 'in-running'. The delay doesn't affect me due to the following. There is a huge amount of mug money in-running. This is because people want to lay/play based on who is travelling or going well. They do not take anything else into account. I believe this is the wrong way to play in running as, you're not seeing anything that no one else isn't seeing and therefore there is little edge as even a poor judge can see if a horse is going well, and due to the delay. I play in-running under special circumstances. Some examples: a) I'm worried about a front runner getting to the front from a poor draw - I may press up when everything has gone to plan in the first furlong. b) A horse I was worried about settling, has settled. c) Horses that I see as dangers are slow away etc. d) Add to bets due to slow or fast early paces. Now these aren't split decisions late in the race - 99% of my in-running choices are made before halfway. This is because I'm betting on form knowledge as well as what I'm seeing - not just what I'm watching (if that makes sense). Therefore the delay doesn't play any part. The prices are usually steady (usually incorrectly) at the early parts of the race. For me, even if I had SIS or someone on course it wouldn't be any use as I've no edge. Others are privvy to the same info and there will never be great value. I used to have SIS on my desk at the RP and I still never saw the value in-running - other than how I do it now as explained above. Even though most are on the delay, enough people are on the live feed for it to be extremely difficult for you to win in-running by going on what you see late on in a race. I believe the quickest feed is when racing is on Ch4.