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Betting out of turn post flop


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How important is respecting the "betting lead" post flop when out of position? Just played this hand: ***** Hand 1125057072 ***** 0.25/0.50 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - Monday, June 16, 2008 11:09:44 PM Table TH 196 (Real /Cash Game ) Seat 1: BusterVD (70.15) Seat 2: francezu (49.27) Seat 3: PLTelepee (70.69) Seat 4: Panda_love (80.71) Seat 5: MonikaRoza (72.75) francezu post SB 0.25 PLTelepee post BB 0.50 ** Deal ** BusterVD [N/A, N/A] francezu [N/A, N/A] PLTelepee [Qs, Qh] Panda_love [N/A, N/A] MonikaRoza [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** Panda_love Fold MonikaRoza Fold BusterVD Raise to 2.00 francezu Fold PLTelepee Call 2.00 *** Flop(Board): *** : [6c, Ks, 3d] *** Bet Round 2 *** PLTelepee Check BusterVD Bet 4.25 PLTelepee Raise to 10.62 BusterVD Fold *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.60 Total Pot: 12.15 BusterVD Fold Win: 0.00 francezu Fold Win: 0.00 PLTelepee By default Win: 12.15 Panda_love Fold Win: 0.00 MonikaRoza Fold Win: 0.00 First off - I would normally reraise pre flop, however on this occasion against this opponent I decided to flat call. Please ignore that. The flop obviously had the scare card, the king. I wanted to take a stab at it, I wanted to find out where I was and I wanted to do it as cheaply as possible. I was first to act post flop. Ideally I'd have put out a bet there and then, however I felt it looked too fishy to bet out of turn as he was the pre flop raiser, so thought that I had to check to him. I expected him to bet out with or without a hand. It came back to me and I check raised him (he folded, but that is irrelevent to this discussion) My check raise, with a vulnerable hand cost me 21xBB. Could I have found out any cheaper where I was? Could I have bet out post flop without fearing that betting out of turn would be viewed as a bit strange and invited a move on me?

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Re: Betting out of turn post flop From my experience of short-handed about 8/10 times you'll be re-raised if you lead out OOP in this kind of scenario and you're still left wondering where you are (And it's extremely pissing off!!) Check raise i've found to be a good tool to use in spots like these. Ultimately the check-raise looks uber strong so you do find out where you are 95% of times. I know you didn't want comment on it but have to say calling pre flop with premium hands is a huge no-no short handed .

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