AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th)

[Ashtee]

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Overall Standings
#	Team	P	W	L	D	For	Agt	%	Pts
1	Geelong	16	13	3	0	1796	1153	155.8	52
2	Kangaroos	16	11	5	0	1524	1441	105.8	44
3	Hawthorn	16	10	6	0	1490	1305	114.2	40
4	Port Adelaide	16	10	6	0	1660	1530	108.5	40
5	West Coast	16	10	6	0	1433	1330	107.7	40
6	Collingwood	16	10	6	0	1482	1391	106.5	40
7	W.Bulldogs	16	9	7	0	1635	1682	97.21	36
8	Sydney	16	8	8	0	1419	1264	112.3	32
9	Adelaide	16	8	8	0	1346	1219	110.4	32
10	Essendon	16	8	8	0	1600	1671	95.75	32
11	St Kilda	16	8	8	0	1287	1379	93.33	32
12	Brisbane	16	7	8	1	1443	1380	104.6	30
13	Fremantle	16	7	9	0	1593	1556	102.4	28
14	Carlton	16	4	12	0	1582	2146	73.72	16
15	Melbourne	16	3	13	0	1329	1723	77.13	12
16	Richmond	16	1	14	1	1404	1853	75.77	6

Match Totals
			Quarters				Halves
#	Team	W	L	D	WR%	W	L	D	WR%
1	Geelong	47	16	1	73	25	6	1	78
2	Kangaroos	38	24	2	59	18	14	0	56
3	Hawthorn	33	30	1	52	18	11	3	56
4	Port Adelaide	34	28	2	53	16	16	0	50
5	West Coast	34	28	2	53	20	10	2	63
6	Collingwood	34	28	2	53	16	14	1	52
7	W.Bulldogs	27	34	3	42	12	19	1	38
8	Sydney	33	29	2	52	21	10	1	66
9	Adelaide	34	29	1	53	17	14	1	53
10	Essendon	29	35	0	45	14	17	1	44
11	St Kilda	30	31	3	47	14	18	0	44
12	Brisbane	32	32	0	50	14	18	0	44
13	Fremantle	30	32	2	47	17	14	1	53
14	Carlton	18	46	0	28	9	23	0	28
15	Melbourne	25	37	2	39	9	23	0	28
16	Richmond	21	40	3	33	9	23	0	28

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Quarter Averages
			For				Against
	Team	¼	½	¾	FT	¼	½	¾	FT
1	Geelong	32	28	26	26	18	18	17	19
2	Kangaroos	28	22	23	23	20	22	18	31
3	Hawthorn	19	23	26	25	21	22	20	18
4	Port Adelaide	27	25	30	22	26	24	21	25
5	West Coast	25	22	21	22	20	19	24	19
6	Collingwood	22	26	22	22	24	21	23	19
7	W.Bulldogs	29	23	24	27	34	21	24	26
8	Sydney	21	20	20	27	24	19	20	16
9	Adelaide	24	20	20	20	18	20	21	17
10	Essendon	25	24	25	26	22	30	29	23
11	St Kilda	20	21	22	18	24	18	22	22
12	Brisbane	22	21	25	22	23	20	21	22
13	Fremantle	25	23	26	26	26	19	28	25
14	Carlton	28	22	29	21	31	32	34	37
15	Melbourne	19	19	21	24	29	28	25	25
16	Richmond	25	20	20	24	29	25	31	31

Scoring Statistics
			Avg Score		Avg Margin		Total Score		Round Total
	Team	For	Agt	Win	Lose	High	Low	High	Low
1	Geelong	112	72	53	13	222	69	3	0
2	Kangaroos	95	90	22	31	147	54	1	1
3	Hawthorn	93	82	34	26	180	31	1	2
4	Port Adelaide	104	96	33	34	155	60	1	0
5	West Coast	90	83	32	36	137	62	0	1
6	Collingwood	93	87	19	17	122	64	2	0
7	W.Bulldogs	102	105	23	37	141	57	1	1
8	Sydney	89	79	33	14	162	44	1	1
9	Adelaide	84	76	32	16	110	57	0	1
10	Essendon	100	104	19	27	127	74	0	0
11	St Kilda	80	86	26	38	125	43	0	5
12	Brisbane	90	86	46	32	163	35	2	2
13	Fremantle	100	97	33	22	173	58	2	0
14	Carlton	99	134	17	53	141	39	3	2
15	Melbourne	83	108	18	34	124	57	0	1
16	Richmond	88	116	49	36	124	65	0	0

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Margin Breakdown - Basic
			U 15.5		O 15.5		U 39.5		O 39.5
	Team	W	L	W	L	W	L	W	L
1	Geelong	1	1	12	2	5	3	8	0
2	Kangaroos	2	1	9	4	10	3	1	2
3	Hawthorn	2	1	8	5	8	5	2	1
4	Port Adelaide	2	0	8	6	6	5	4	1
5	West Coast	4	1	6	5	7	5	3	1
6	Collingwood	3	3	7	3	10	6	0	0
7	W.Bulldogs	1	2	8	5	9	4	0	3
8	Sydney	1	3	7	5	5	8	3	0
9	Adelaide	1	3	7	5	6	8	2	0
10	Essendon	5	1	3	7	7	7	1	1
11	St Kilda	1	1	7	7	6	4	2	4
12	Brisbane	1	1	6	7	3	6	4	2
13	Fremantle	1	3	6	6	4	8	3	1
14	Carlton	2	1	2	11	4	5	0	7
15	Melbourne	1	4	2	9	3	6	0	7
16	Richmond	0	2	1	12	0	10	1	4

Margin Breakdown - Detailed
			1-19 pts		20-39 pts		40-59 pts		60+ pts
	Team	W	L	W	L	W	L	W	L
1	Geelong	3	2	2	1	4	0	4	0
2	Kangaroos	5	2	5	1	0	1	1	1
3	Hawthorn	2	4	6	1	1	0	1	1
4	Port Adelaide	5	0	1	5	3	1	1	0
5	West Coast	4	1	3	4	0	0	3	1
6	Collingwood	5	5	5	1	0	0	0	0
7	W.Bulldogs	2	2	7	2	0	2	0	1
8	Sydney	2	7	3	1	2	0	1	0
9	Adelaide	3	4	3	4	1	0	1	0
10	Essendon	5	2	2	5	0	1	1	0
11	St Kilda	3	1	3	3	2	3	0	1
12	Brisbane	1	1	2	5	3	1	1	1
13	Fremantle	2	4	2	4	2	1	1	0
14	Carlton	3	3	1	2	0	1	0	6
15	Melbourne	2	4	1	2	0	5	0	2
16	Richmond	0	5	0	5	1	3	0	1

[TazaD]

AFL Football Rd. 17. ok...off the bat (er ball?) to me this looks like a really shitty week to get involved in... I couldn't possibly take the Eagles as big road favs... The av. -4 I50's per game on the road this season, and their once great D has totally disappeared...allowing a shot every 1.74 entries!!! (4th worst behind Carlton, Ess and Melbourne!!) I kow you can argue their last 2 losses were due to being very undermanned, but still...4 wins in their last 10, and only 1 on the road...in Adelaide where they had 3 less I50's and just one more shot. The problem here is obviously the Dogs. No Cross, Griffen, Hahn, Gilbee...West? Gunna make it very tough. Even tho I made a decent case for them scoring well last week (You should have listened Ash ;) LOL!!) ...Geelong av. +10 I50's and defense of 2.72... ...On Friday they were +12 and 2.89. So, given the Eagles are -4 and 1.74... Dogs lost by just 15 @ Perth this year, and their last 2 meetings outside Perth have been Dogs win by 43 @ 2.40, and lost by 7 at the dome as 2.30 'dogs...winning both ats. Reasonably big lean towards Doggies + the points...but will probably wimp out!! Bloody coaching changes...Carlton av'ing 37 shots against in last 5 games!!...61 I50's (-12), the worst D by a fair way... Saints allow 23 shots both at the dome and in their last 5... Saints have won last 5 meetings by 43, 92, 80, 108, 91... You'd have to take St. Kilda -40ish wouldn't you?? Freo/Geelong...Geelong deserve to start favs in all their games, no doubt. Think Freo might be getting a bit too much respect after last week...good win, but -7 I50's and the same amount of shots, just rediculously good conversion made them look far better. Their form is still shit...statistically lucky wins over Crows and St. Kilda (even Hawthorn), and then beaten Richmond and Carlton. Still, how much has Harvey changed their outlook? Million dollar question. Geelong won by 66 over there last year...1.60 looks pretty good really. I might be more tempted by the total tho. Collingwood should win, and 1.35 looks decent. Brisbane have flogged Melbourne and Carlton...caught West Coast at a VERY good time, before that hadn't won a game for nearly 2 months. Brown kicks 10 this week...now he's up against the 2nd best D in the comp. Won't happen again. In fact, their last 4 games have been against 4 of the bottom 6 (inc. the bottom 3) for defense! Always tough to take the Pies on a decent spread, given their poor conversion, but I can't see them dropping this game. Might hold out for 1.40 somewhere hopefully. Will again be interested in a total I reckon... Yeah, yeah. Swans win, but a bit untouchable at 1.10 -40ish no doubt. Sydney hae won and covered 8 of their last 9 at home, winning by an av. of 45... Kangas midfield has gone from strength to strength lately. They are now the 3rd best defensive group...allow just 47 I50's in theri last 5...Hawthorn still best @ 46. Points to a low scorer, but given it's in Launceston, I'm sure the books will have a nice low number in mind anyway. Tough to pick a winner...home ground to Hawthorn, but Kangas won in Geelong and Gold Coast already this year. Hoping for a total around the 175 mark, don't reckon I'll get it. Crows certainly interest me @ 1.60+. Essendon have fallen right away lately. Won just 1 of their last 5...and they got lucky in that one v. Melbourne. Only Richmond and Carlton have worse I50 numbers in their last 5 (Essendon -8)...also 3rd worst D behind Melbourne and Carlton (1.73) allowing 33 shots per game. Even inside the dome this season they av. -6 I50's Crows been better away from home this season, play a more open game, but still play solid D, alloing just 22 shots per game...down to 21 in their last 5. Would love to see Rutten back...Lloyd/Lucas could go ok without him there, but the midfield should get over-run anyway. All the talk about Adelaide having NEVER beaten the Bombers in Melbourne is totally irrelevant...they haven't met there since 2002, and I doubt Adelaide were ever priced better than 3.00! Crows have won 7 of last 9 @ the dome...think they win this one too. Now, this is the game that I'm having the most trouble with!! I did all the stats, came to the (pretty easy, let's be honest!) conclusion that Port would win...looked at the odds to see them 1.15ish!!!! :eek You what now?? They beat Richmond...lost 4 straight (inc. Carlton), beat Essendon with ONE more scoring shot...won @ Brisbane with 13 less I50's and 3 less shots...lost to the Doggies, got West Coast with 24 fit men and beat Richmond again!! 1.15??!! Of course, the problem being I guess, that Melbourne are comparable to Richmond. Even tho Melborne have fallen away, they still av. just -5 I50's last 5, and a D of 1.72...Port's is an unspectacular 1.90... Some very straight kicking has padded Port's margins too...at home they av. +6 shots, +5 in their last 5... Almost will be tempted by +33ish...having said that, it's almost impossible to jump on Melbourne given they have lost theri last 5 @ AAMI by 72, 73 (PA), 62 (PA), 54 and 58. Like the Crows, probably Collingwood aswell...and will be sweating on 3 totals... ...oh, and the two 'dogs that could both realistically get SMASHED!! :unsure

[koi_saisei]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Ughh, disgusting week. Right you are Taza. Will probably only have a play on some of the lines.

[Beejayville]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Finals Contenders form against teams in the Top 8

Team	Wins	Losses	%
Geelong	5	3	63%
Roos	3	4	43%
Hawks	5	2	71%
Power	2	4	33%
Eagles	5	3	63%
Pies	2	5	29%
Dogs	4	4	50%
Swans	3	5	38%
Crows	5	3	63%
Bombers	2	7	22%
Saints	4	5	44%
Lions	2	7	22%
Freo	1	7	13%

[Beejayville]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Working purely off team’s averages for and against for the season, and then averaging for and against for each team. If each team scores their average score for and against then this will be the result

	For	Agst	Average
Bulldogs	102	105	93
Eagles	90	83	98
Carlton	99	134	93
St Kilda	80	86	107
Fremantle	100	97	86
Geelong	112	72	105
Pies	93	87	90
Brisbane	90	86	89
Sydney	89	79	103
Richmond	88	116	84
Hawks	93	82	92
Roos	95	90	89
Essendon	100	104	88
Adelaide	84	76	94
Port	104	96	106
Melbourne	83	108	90

[TazaD]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Just got Melbourne @ +42.5!! (Global) Crazy line. Mad. Insane...Probably a loser, but still, quite unfathomable!! (Prepared to take the Doggies +21.5 too. Will wait for Pinnacle or the Global 1.95 Friday line.)

[BURNTUA CRISP]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Another one bites the dust..... Kevin Sheedy's contract won't be renewed, but will coach out the season. This will be a positive for the Bombers, and I think the Bombers will finish the season well and start by brushing aside the Crows.

[Ashtee]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Global 1.95's are up. Call me crazy, but almost certain to see some resistance from the blues. Carlton +42.5 @ 1.95 Global Freo and Kangaroos are dead set even money shots IMO. Could be swayed into the price on Essendon pending final squads.

[TazaD]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Not sure if you want to get 'resistance' and 'mega-flooding' confused, Ash! :lol I'll be looking at a total in that game for sure. Blues almost certain to give up their free-flowing, one way running ways, and try at least to hold St. Kilda to a half decent score. They will of course have trouble scoring themselves... ...oh despite Pagan's final act of head coach, of performing thigh replacement surgury on the ailing Fev. :eyes:wall (What a joke that man is quickly becoming...) Will be tempted by an under tonight too if it's a stupidly high total...always a chance in Doggies games... Still have some slight misgivings about taking the points tonight, but numbers suggest it's more than a fair thing. I've gone off Adelaide aswell...not so much the coach thing, but Rutten still out...and Winderlich coming back in for the 'Dons gives them some run and spark. Oh, mate, if you're offering Geelong at evens, sign me up!! :cheers PS. Why do Global make it quite clear that the 1.95 lines are from 10 am -10 pm only, then put them up way earlier? I've been wondering for a while...do they then not pay the full price if you take the bet outside the hours??

[DeMMa]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Under 207.5?? Tonight?

[TazaD]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Was hoping for a few more points myself, DeMMa...around the 217 mark...but that's just me being a bit conservative since I'm already on a side. Can't really comment...Eagles don't score well away, but half the reason I'm on the Dogs is because the Eagles D suddenly sucks... I see Global now has them down to +20.5, can't be a bad thing. (Still plenty of 21.5's out there.)

[DeMMa]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Eagles -21.5 Easy! Coll - 20.5 Easy!

[-Loki-]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Carlton +42.5 and ML:hope Sydney/Eagles Double:ok Lions +20:drums Good Luck;)

[DeMMa]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Okay, Tonight 3 great games to bet on: Roosters Vs. Storm Raiders Vs. Panthers W.Bulldogs Vs. W.C Eagles Thoughts?>

[BURNTUA CRISP]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Bulldogs v Eagles

Tonight is a great opportunityfor the Dogs to exert some pressure on the top 6 by knocking over the Eagles. They’ve lost some key players, but have enough talent to threaten the visitors. They need a decent start (unlike last week), and average 27 points at the Dome in 1^st quarters whilst the Eagles are usually slow starters away from Subiaco. I’m not getting carried away with the Eagles yet after falling over the line against an ordinary Swans outfit. Brad Johnson shoulders the responsibility once more to kick a bag and desperately needs some support from Darcy, Higgins and Murphy. The Eagles have the midfield depth to stretch the Dogs and Dean Cox should dominate this game. I fancy the Eagles, but it shall be close.

Dockers v Cats

There has been a lot of support for the Dockers to topple the Cats here with plenty of justification. They’ve been better than the formline suggests culminating in their terrific win in Adelaide. Their last home game against the Kangaroos was a cracker and copped too much flak for their defeat Both teams were great that day and the Roos were lucky enough to be in front at the siren. Geelong’s midfield will severely test them with plenty of leg speed and precise field kicking, something the Dockers lack. The Dockers scoring has lifted recently, but comes up against the best defence in the business. The Cats might have a slight drop off for this game, but should extinguish the Dockers finals hopes.

Magpies v Lions

The hard working Pies will face a rejuvenated Brisbane team making a late bid for September action. The Pies output each week is very consistent and will need to continue to match the Lions’ midfield in good form. Brown will pose some headaches, but Prestigiacomo or Wakelin will make his life difficult. Cloke has been in good form for the Pies and is the key for the Pies. Pies are only averaging 90 points at the MCG in their last 4 games whilst the Lions are averaging only 67 points away from home in their last 4 games. The Pies need to keep winning for the coveted top 2 finish and should win comfortably.

Hawthorn v Kangaroos

Big game in Launceston which could send the loser into a tailspin and out of top 4 contention. The Hawks were down a little last week against a St.Kilda team with it’s best team on the field for 3 years. A few shocking errors cost Hawthorn dearly through the middle stages of the match and a lot of their key runners were subdued for a lot of the night. To their credit, they finished the match well and caused some nervous moments for the Saints. The Kangaroos are in terrific form, beating teams outside the top 8, but face their stiffest test for 6 weeks. There is little between the 2 teams and the defence that performs best will win. I fancy the Hawks to continue their winning ways in Tassie, in a tight ,close-checking contest.

Essendon v Adelaide

The loser of this faces an uphill battle to make the finals. The Crows have their last 6 games against finals challengers, whilst the Bombers still have 2 trips to Perth to make, but have 2 games against tankers. The power forwards from both teams hold the key to the result of this game. McGregor and Stevens will have to mind Lloyd and Lucas, whilst Perrie, Welsh and Bock will match-up on Fletcher, McPhee and Michael. The Crows clearly have the better midfield, but their forwards never seem to capitalize on that dominance. Lloyd and Lucas are more efficient and probably won’t get the supply the Crows will. Having said that, if the Crows couldn’t beat the Saints 2 weeks ago, I find it hard to select them to beat the Bombers with all the emotions of the past week at Windy Hill.

Number of players missing from best 22’s

2 – Geelong 3 – Hawthorn, Kangaroos, St.Kilda, Sydney 4 – Essendon 5 – Collingwood, Port Adelaide, West Coast 6 – Adelaide, Brisbane, Carlton, Fremantle 7 – Richmond 8 – Melbourne, Western Bulldogs

Score Predictor & MY TIPS

Western Bulldogs 92-82 WEST COAST Carlton 74-120 ST.KILDA Fremantle 96-111 GEELONG COLLINGWOOD 87-83 Brisbane

SYDNEY 111-72 Richmond

HAWTHORN 97-87 Kangaroos

ESSENDON 83-88 Adelaide PORT ADELAIDE 135-71 Melbourne

Suggested Bets

Most Disposals – D.Kerr v B.Cousins D.KERR HAWTHORN Margin 1-39 ESSENDON Win Good luck everyone.

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Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Western Bulldogs vs West Coast Eagles The Eagles returned to form last week with a solid win over Sydney, that form was largely attributed to the brilliant return of former captain Ben Cousins collecting 38 disposals and key forward Ashley Hansen booting 4 goals in his return game. Cousins & Hansen are very important players and were well missed, and with these two back combining with the likes of Chris Judd and Daniel Kerr, the Eagles look like making a late charge towards a top 2 assault. The Bulldogs on the other hand have had a very inconistent season to date and last week picked up alot of injuries to key players. With the Eagles having to travel to Melbourne, they will be happy with any win and considering 7 of their 10 wins wins have been under the 39.5 point margin, the $2.25 on offer at Sportingbet is good value. Pick West Coast Win Under 39.5 at $2.25

[Ashtee]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Tredrea in doubt. Yes, it could be the time to take on the under with Carlton. Yeah, they usually put the 1.95's up late Thursday night but some sort of covering themselves with the 10-10 statement. :unsure Heard from a good source earlier today that both Judd and Cousins are in serious doubt. Anyone know more? Ash.

[DeMMa]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Today: Saints Vs Blues Dockers Vs Cats Pies Vs Lions Swans Vs Tigers Tempted to go Blues +42.5

[TazaD]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) I know that even without those two things would still have been very ugly indeed. Nasty old night in this huosehold I can assure you... Brisbane @ Collingwood under 188.5 is a play (1.90 @ Global) I wanted 181, so happy here. Waiting for a Geelong/Freo total, but looks like some rain might be in the air over there, so not all that hopeful...

[DeMMa]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) My Bet Blues +42.5 - 7 units Under 215.5 Carl/Saints - 5 units

[DeMMa]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) ^^ Got BOTH!!!! :) :) Praying Collingwood Win!

[Ashtee]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Oh yes, meant to ask last night. What's that little bit of business out the back Harbrow's head? Usually if a couple of guys in a team have one of those rat tails, then you know they're tough. That thing was sticking out, and bleached. :unsure

[TazaD]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) It's certainly not an excess of talent... Can get 2.50 for under 183.5 @ Centrebet tonight!! Huge. Pity I rushed in and missed out. Oh well, heading out for a night on the town... I'd pray for the under, but looks like the big guy has his hands full with other requests ;) Oh, and Ash...PM me and I'll shoot you my address...so you know where to send the 4-figure cheque after you offered up those evens on Geelong...

[Ashtee]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Didn't know they were bringing the A++ game today, mate. Good news is, once I get the payout on 15.00 for the flag I'll have no problem settling all.

[Beejayville]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Been watching the Pies/Lions game till half time and what a phenomenal performance by Brisbane. They have showed the Pies up in so many areas it is not funny. Lions are not going to lose this so checked scores on the radio and they are 70 points up at the moment. Brisbane's hardness at the ball has shown up the Pies squibs again, a bit like their 3rd grand Final win over the Pies. Same culprits too in Didak and Lonie, and a handful of others who do not want to go when it is their turn. Brisbane look awesome running through the corridor and when it is their turn to defend they have been getting back in numbers. Disappointing effort by the Pies and their percentage is going to take a hammering. Pies have played some great football this year, but this is not one of their finest hours. Considering Brisbane is thumping them and they have lost to 5 teams in the 8, they will not be a force in the finals even if they make it. As for Geelong, maybe people will take them seriously now after the way they disposed of Fremantle in Perth. They average 26+ per quarter and concede less than 19 points per quarter. As Taza said they are leading in almost every stat that is available, and hard to see anyone seriously challenging them come September, providing they can keep players free from injury. Although the Eagles with a full compliment of players will be hard to beat. Great football played tonight by Brisbane and also great to watch, even though they did it to my team :$ On a funny note...On the radio they were talking about what this would do for Brisbane's percentage, but considering the Lions have had a draw, it won't make any difference unless they are level on points with Richmond come finals time :lol

[Ashtee]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Carlton will be licking their lips.

[Beejayville]

Re: AFL Football - Round 17 (July 27th - 29th) Pies will bounce back! Plenty to learn tonight for our youngsters. Lions have a lot of big bodied players who carved us up tonight. Besides, Carlton don't want to win another game so they get number 1 draft pick. Brisbane looked gone a month ago, then they had that brilliant win over the Eagles. On that game, and on their form tonight, if they get into the Final 8 they will be a team to be reckoned with. Scintillating display tonight and easily the best team Collingwood has played from my point of view, looked unstoppable. I'm glad AFL games are not 6 quarters or could have been even more embarrassing. Brisbane have been beating us for many years, and some teams just have the wood on you. I'm not worried about tonight's loss, sometimes teams just have a blinder, and Brisbane did. Collingwood has a good run home in the final rounds, and Lions were always going to be a concern cos we always struggle to beat them. getting belted though is not a good thing.