Cowan Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 After watching this video I have tried to find a sensible way to assess how good jockeys are for the races I look at and I have done this using the A/E stat. This is; A/E = actual_number_of_winners_ridden_by_jockey / expected_number_of_winners actual_number_of_winners_ridden_by_jockey = This is easy to find. For example Raul Da Silva has had 74 rides of which 16 were winners. expected_number_of_winners = Worked out from the horses odds. If the horse is 4/1 then it has a 20% winning chance. By adding the winning chance of all the jockeys rides we get the expected number of winners. (If he rode five 4/1 shots then the expected number of winners would be 1 (0.2+0.2+0.2+0.2+0.2 = 1) For more: http://www.flatstats.co.uk/articles/jockey-ratings-who-is-the-best-jockey.html The following list encompasses UK ALL WEATHER 3yo & 4yo HANDICAPS BETWEEN 5F to 7F between 2009 - 2012. A higher A/E value is best. The average A/E for all jockeys in the set is 0.695. [TABLE=width: 572] [TR] [TD]Jockey[/TD] [TD]Rides[/TD] [TD]Actual Wins[/TD] [TD]Expected Wins[/TD] [TD]WinStrike[/TD] [TD]SP_PL[/TD] [TD]A/E[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Da Silva, Raul[/TD] [TD]74[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]22%[/TD] [TD]39.33[/TD] [TD]1.51[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Atkinson, Ross[/TD] [TD]50[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]14%[/TD] [TD]-0.67[/TD] [TD]1.41[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Mayor, Leonna[/TD] [TD]51[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]10%[/TD] [TD]0.5[/TD] [TD]1.24[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Golam, Saleem[/TD] [TD]80[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]9%[/TD] [TD]-28.75[/TD] [TD]1.15[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Mulrennan, Paul[/TD] [TD]79[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]14%[/TD] [TD]47.25[/TD] [TD]1.10[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Doyle, James[/TD] [TD]164[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]22[/TD] [TD]15%[/TD] [TD]48.25[/TD] [TD]1.09[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Gannon, Catherine[/TD] [TD]144[/TD] [TD]19[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]13%[/TD] [TD]93.75[/TD] [TD]1.08[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Havlin, Robert[/TD] [TD]104[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]11%[/TD] [TD]-16.75[/TD] [TD]1.06[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Norton, Francis[/TD] [TD]175[/TD] [TD]23[/TD] [TD]22[/TD] [TD]13%[/TD] [TD]92.88[/TD] [TD]1.05[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Cannon, Declan[/TD] [TD]70[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]10%[/TD] [TD]31[/TD] [TD]1.04[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Sullivan, James P[/TD] [TD]131[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]-30.5[/TD] [TD]0.97[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Hanagan, Paul[/TD] [TD]172[/TD] [TD]28[/TD] [TD]29[/TD] [TD]16%[/TD] [TD]104.41[/TD] [TD]0.96[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Fanning, Joe[/TD] [TD]274[/TD] [TD]41[/TD] [TD]43[/TD] [TD]15%[/TD] [TD]38.9[/TD] [TD]0.95[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Fitzpatrick, Robbie[/TD] [TD]186[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]13[/TD] [TD]6%[/TD] [TD]2.5[/TD] [TD]0.95[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Gibbons, Graham[/TD] [TD]249[/TD] [TD]37[/TD] [TD]39[/TD] [TD]15%[/TD] [TD]41.21[/TD] [TD]0.94[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Harley, M[/TD] [TD]99[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]11%[/TD] [TD]0.5[/TD] [TD]0.89[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]McHugh, B[/TD] [TD]109[/TD] [TD]14[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]13%[/TD] [TD]46.29[/TD] [TD]0.86[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Hitchcott, Sam[/TD] [TD]113[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]13[/TD] [TD]10%[/TD] [TD]13.88[/TD] [TD]0.86[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Pickard, Paul[/TD] [TD]65[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]11%[/TD] [TD]-25.95[/TD] [TD]0.85[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]McLaughlin, T G[/TD] [TD]176[/TD] [TD]17[/TD] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]10%[/TD] [TD]-27.62[/TD] [TD]0.84[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]McDonald, Frankie[/TD] [TD]105[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]6%[/TD] [TD]-38.5[/TD] [TD]0.83[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Baker, George[/TD] [TD]300[/TD] [TD]45[/TD] [TD]55[/TD] [TD]15%[/TD] [TD]7.73[/TD] [TD]0.82[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Mongan, Ian[/TD] [TD]212[/TD] [TD]25[/TD] [TD]30[/TD] [TD]12%[/TD] [TD]19.09[/TD] [TD]0.82[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Dwyer, Martin[/TD] [TD]138[/TD] [TD]15[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]11%[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]0.81[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Durcan, Ted[/TD] [TD]70[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]13%[/TD] [TD]2.5[/TD] [TD]0.81[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Queally, T P[/TD] [TD]150[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]23[/TD] [TD]12%[/TD] [TD]17.5[/TD] [TD]0.80[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Callan, N[/TD] [TD]198[/TD] [TD]25[/TD] [TD]32[/TD] [TD]13%[/TD] [TD]5.96[/TD] [TD]0.79[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Chalmers, Neil[/TD] [TD]76[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]7%[/TD] [TD]-23[/TD] [TD]0.79[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Cray, Billy[/TD] [TD]73[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]8.5[/TD] [TD]0.79[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Fallon, K[/TD] [TD]104[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]23[/TD] [TD]17%[/TD] [TD]0.41[/TD] [TD]0.78[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Tylicki, Frederik[/TD] [TD]119[/TD] [TD]15[/TD] [TD]19[/TD] [TD]13%[/TD] [TD]-18[/TD] [TD]0.77[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Morris, Luke[/TD] [TD]673[/TD] [TD]66[/TD] [TD]86[/TD] [TD]10%[/TD] [TD]-24.67[/TD] [TD]0.77[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Probert, David[/TD] [TD]262[/TD] [TD]30[/TD] [TD]40[/TD] [TD]11%[/TD] [TD]12.25[/TD] [TD]0.76[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Kirby, Adam[/TD] [TD]442[/TD] [TD]62[/TD] [TD]82[/TD] [TD]14%[/TD] [TD]-58.64[/TD] [TD]0.76[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Holland, Darryll[/TD] [TD]92[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]13[/TD] [TD]11%[/TD] [TD]-2.5[/TD] [TD]0.76[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Clark, Ryan[/TD] [TD]123[/TD] [TD]13[/TD] [TD]17[/TD] [TD]11%[/TD] [TD]-30.5[/TD] [TD]0.75[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Makin, Phillip[/TD] [TD]136[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]13%[/TD] [TD]5.15[/TD] [TD]0.74[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Millman, James[/TD] [TD]50[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]-19.5[/TD] [TD]0.74[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Crowley, Jim[/TD] [TD]296[/TD] [TD]37[/TD] [TD]50[/TD] [TD]13%[/TD] [TD]-54.92[/TD] [TD]0.74[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Mullen, Andrew[/TD] [TD]62[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]-28.37[/TD] [TD]0.74[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Milczarek, Kirsty[/TD] [TD]166[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]7%[/TD] [TD]-62.5[/TD] [TD]0.73[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Moore, Ryan[/TD] [TD]50[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]15[/TD] [TD]22%[/TD] [TD]15.01[/TD] [TD]0.73[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Eaves, Tom[/TD] [TD]330[/TD] [TD]33[/TD] [TD]45[/TD] [TD]10%[/TD] [TD]-52.67[/TD] [TD]0.73[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Quinn, Jimmy[/TD] [TD]383[/TD] [TD]37[/TD] [TD]51[/TD] [TD]10%[/TD] [TD]-24.92[/TD] [TD]0.73[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]ODwyer, Jerry[/TD] [TD]58[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]9%[/TD] [TD]11.5[/TD] [TD]0.72[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Butler, Robert L[/TD] [TD]79[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]5%[/TD] [TD]-30.5[/TD] [TD]0.71[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Cosgrave, Pat[/TD] [TD]126[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]17[/TD] [TD]10%[/TD] [TD]-16.79[/TD] [TD]0.71[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]ONeill, K T[/TD] [TD]76[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]9%[/TD] [TD]-36.12[/TD] [TD]0.71[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Craine, S J[/TD] [TD]146[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]-45.25[/TD] [TD]0.70[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Keniry, L P[/TD] [TD]373[/TD] [TD]31[/TD] [TD]44[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]-138.62[/TD] [TD]0.70[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Fairley, Greg[/TD] [TD]70[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]10%[/TD] [TD]-32.5[/TD] [TD]0.70[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Nicholls, Adrian T[/TD] [TD]61[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]10%[/TD] [TD]-18.67[/TD] [TD]0.69[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Cosham, Matthew[/TD] [TD]71[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]10%[/TD] [TD]-24.5[/TD] [TD]0.69[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Winston, Robert[/TD] [TD]268[/TD] [TD]27[/TD] [TD]40[/TD] [TD]10%[/TD] [TD]-27.95[/TD] [TD]0.68[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Drowne, Steve[/TD] [TD]215[/TD] [TD]22[/TD] [TD]33[/TD] [TD]10%[/TD] [TD]-78.38[/TD] [TD]0.68[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Hughes, Richard[/TD] [TD]142[/TD] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]30[/TD] [TD]14%[/TD] [TD]-28.71[/TD] [TD]0.67[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Sousa, Silvestre De[/TD] [TD]136[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]27[/TD] [TD]13%[/TD] [TD]6.5[/TD] [TD]0.67[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Mitchell, Jack[/TD] [TD]64[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]9%[/TD] [TD]-4.5[/TD] [TD]0.65[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Doe, Paul[/TD] [TD]76[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]-38.25[/TD] [TD]0.65[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Carson, William[/TD] [TD]280[/TD] [TD]34[/TD] [TD]52[/TD] [TD]12%[/TD] [TD]-109.05[/TD] [TD]0.65[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Turner, Hayley[/TD] [TD]281[/TD] [TD]28[/TD] [TD]44[/TD] [TD]10%[/TD] [TD]-49.25[/TD] [TD]0.64[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Harrison, Kelly[/TD] [TD]108[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]6%[/TD] [TD]-42[/TD] [TD]0.63[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Lee, G[/TD] [TD]65[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]11%[/TD] [TD]-14.92[/TD] [TD]0.63[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Pearce, Simon[/TD] [TD]69[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]6%[/TD] [TD]-19[/TD] [TD]0.63[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Mathers, Patrick[/TD] [TD]75[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]4%[/TD] [TD]-29[/TD] [TD]0.63[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Kingscote, Richard[/TD] [TD]201[/TD] [TD]19[/TD] [TD]31[/TD] [TD]9%[/TD] [TD]-49.82[/TD] [TD]0.62[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Powell, Ryan[/TD] [TD]65[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]6%[/TD] [TD]-36.17[/TD] [TD]0.61[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Kennemore, Russell[/TD] [TD]105[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]7%[/TD] [TD]-19[/TD] [TD]0.58[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Spencer, Jamie[/TD] [TD]167[/TD] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]35[/TD] [TD]12%[/TD] [TD]-38.26[/TD] [TD]0.57[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Culhane, Tony[/TD] [TD]127[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]-43.5[/TD] [TD]0.57[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Guillambert, J-P[/TD] [TD]150[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]7%[/TD] [TD]-83[/TD] [TD]0.56[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Fenton, Micky[/TD] [TD]142[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]7%[/TD] [TD]-68[/TD] [TD]0.56[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]ONeill, Dane[/TD] [TD]268[/TD] [TD]21[/TD] [TD]38[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]-106.5[/TD] [TD]0.56[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Atzeni, Andrea[/TD] [TD]145[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]22[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]-72.67[/TD] [TD]0.55[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Catlin, Chris[/TD] [TD]308[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]33[/TD] [TD]6%[/TD] [TD]-89.75[/TD] [TD]0.54[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Fortune, Jimmy[/TD] [TD]79[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]17[/TD] [TD]11%[/TD] [TD]-12.75[/TD] [TD]0.54[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Heffernan, Andrew[/TD] [TD]104[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]6%[/TD] [TD]-51[/TD] [TD]0.54[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Kelly, Shane[/TD] [TD]297[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]46[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]-118.01[/TD] [TD]0.52[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Sanders, Seb[/TD] [TD]182[/TD] [TD]15[/TD] [TD]29[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]-72.39[/TD] [TD]0.52[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Davies, Matthew[/TD] [TD]63[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]-20.62[/TD] [TD]0.52[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Stainton, Michael J[/TD] [TD]131[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]6%[/TD] [TD]-82.25[/TD] [TD]0.51[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Sweeney, Fergus[/TD] [TD]268[/TD] [TD]15[/TD] [TD]30[/TD] [TD]6%[/TD] [TD]-157.5[/TD] [TD]0.50[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Lane, Martin[/TD] [TD]186[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]5%[/TD] [TD]-65.25[/TD] [TD]0.50[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Fentiman, Duran[/TD] [TD]69[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]6%[/TD] [TD]-10[/TD] [TD]0.49[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Ryan, Amy[/TD] [TD]87[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]15[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]-56.67[/TD] [TD]0.47[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Donohoe, Stephen[/TD] [TD]178[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]23[/TD] [TD]6%[/TD] [TD]-103.69[/TD] [TD]0.47[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Dean, Jack[/TD] [TD]55[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]5%[/TD] [TD]-18[/TD] [TD]0.47[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Fahy, J P[/TD] [TD]90[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]6%[/TD] [TD]-59[/TD] [TD]0.45[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Buick, William[/TD] [TD]62[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]8%[/TD] [TD]-31.12[/TD] [TD]0.43[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]McDonald, P J[/TD] [TD]66[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]5%[/TD] [TD]-31.75[/TD] [TD]0.43[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Hamilton, Tony[/TD] [TD]76[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]5%[/TD] [TD]-26[/TD] [TD]0.43[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Duern, J[/TD] [TD]51[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]4%[/TD] [TD]-24[/TD] [TD]0.41[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Egan, D E[/TD] [TD]60[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]5%[/TD] [TD]-48.5[/TD] [TD]0.39[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Coumbe, Mark[/TD] [TD]87[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]3%[/TD] [TD]-55.25[/TD] [TD]0.39[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Fox, Kieren[/TD] [TD]145[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]4%[/TD] [TD]-53.5[/TD] [TD]0.37[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Ahern, Eddie[/TD] [TD]151[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]5%[/TD] [TD]-86.67[/TD] [TD]0.34[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Kenny, David[/TD] [TD]87[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]3%[/TD] [TD]-64.5[/TD] [TD]0.32[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Jones, Liam[/TD] [TD]155[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]3%[/TD] [TD]-114[/TD] [TD]0.32[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Mackay, Nicky[/TD] [TD]67[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]3%[/TD] [TD]-16[/TD] [TD]0.29[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Beschizza,Adam[/TD] [TD]52[/TD] [TD]1[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]2%[/TD] [TD]-45[/TD] [TD]0.20[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Swift, Mr Dale[/TD] [TD]81[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]2%[/TD] [TD]-68[/TD] [TD]0.20[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Elliott, Andrew[/TD] [TD]67[/TD] [TD]1[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]1%[/TD] [TD]-57[/TD] [TD]0.18[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Thoughts welcome :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_eastern_ram Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Re: 100+ Jockeys Rated for All Weather Sprints That's lucky, im on one of Raul's tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowan Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Re: 100+ Jockeys Rated for All Weather Sprints That's lucky' date=' im on one of Raul's tomorrow.[/quote'] Southwell 4.20 - Caldercruix ? I like this horse. Looks like it's slipped to a reasonable mark and can handle this race. I also like the no.1 draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_eastern_ram Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Re: 100+ Jockeys Rated for All Weather Sprints Spot on, got 8's as well, was checking 365 every minute for ages for that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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