Nade Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Legislation putting a 15month black-out on US players looks extremely likely to be going through the lame duck session. A part of the bill says European players won't be able to play with US players for more years after. These two points suck BUT i'm quite happy really, 99% of US players have sat back and done **** all since 2006. They've been putting this to the back of their mind hoping it goes away, this is highlighted by the FullTilt 'regs' thread on 2plus2 where there was virtually no discussion by any player re. legislation for years, they simply were ignorant and lazy. Now the shit has hit the fan. Actually amazing that the best a nation with millions of poker players can come up with in 4 years is e-mailing their congressman a template e-mail every so often. They deserve everything they get IMO. The so called PPA has a lot to answer for too. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57/poker-legislation/ppa-statement-potential-internet-poker-bill-933352/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 I've always loved playing on euro sites so playing on stars and full tilt without americans sounds appealing to me ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadlydaveLDN Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 This completely sucks, tournament liquidity will be awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbirds Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 I believe we're going soon to see the end of online poker as we know it :( All countries one after the other are implementing restrictions, from the total ban in Norway to the high taxes and "no mixing" policy in France :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haichan Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 This is the worst example of the way politics in the US is bought and paid for. The proposed legislation is being pushed by a senator whose election was funded by nevada casinos. Its already illegal to play online in washington state where they passed a state wide law although no one has yet been arrested. Agree with Dave if serious legislation was inforced it might have an impact on the big sites. However we should be grateful. It takes us on average 3 or 4 days to get our winnings. In the states they have to wait up to 2 months to get cheques from sites. Amazed they are still playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadlydaveLDN Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 This completely sucks' date=' tournament liquidity will be awful.[/quote'] After doing some more research and thinking a little bit more, I actually don't think it will be as terrible as I initially believed if this goes through. Basically, assuming it happens, exisiting websites will have 30 days to stop accepting US players, and a further 30 days in which players must withdraw their cash. It will then be another 15 months before they can apply for a license. It also seems as though exisitng land based casinos will get the first shot at the market. Now, look at this from Stars and Full Tilt's point of view. They're going to struggle to ever have the market share in the US that they currently have. Brands like WSOP will undoubtedly make large inroads. But they're not going to be happy to just be small companies, so they will have to expand into further territories. While both sites have already moved into Europe/South America etc there is huge potential for growth in both of these and other markets, and they'll put a lot of resources into this. So, we're obviously going to see a short-term drop in traffic. But in the long-term, Stars and Full Tilt should both see a huge influx of bad new players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pens87 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 I believe we're going soon to see the end of online poker as we know it :( All countries one after the other are implementing restrictions, from the total ban in Norway to the high taxes and "no mixing" policy in France :( Isn't this a good thing? Obviously there would be some short term pain with the black out period, but after that there should be a lot of good games - assuming the American casinos know how to put a poker site together... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted December 8, 2010 Author Share Posted December 8, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 All i know is 99% of american players on FTP are reg grinders at my hours anyways. As for expanding markets, Stars looks like the site to be at as it is so mass marketed already, hopefully as you say, they'll market in south america. I assume the big guarantee MTTs like sunday million etc. will be drastically reduced in a couple of months? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadlydaveLDN Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 All i know is 99% of american players on FTP are reg grinders at my hours anyways. You need to play Fri-Sun from about 11pm-7am UK time. As for expanding markets, Stars looks like the site to be at as it is so mass marketed already, hopefully as you say, they'll market in south america. I assume the big guarantee MTTs like sunday million etc. will be drastically reduced in a couple of months? If this all goes through, there will definitely be changes to the Sunday Million, though not sure how drastic. Without the Americans they can move it to a much earlier timeslot which will bring in tons more Euros. We may just see a return to the $1m guarantee rather than the current $1.5m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlunB Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 I wouldn't assume anything at the moment. It's far from certain that the bill will be attached to any 'must pass' legislation and indeed it's not even certain the 'must pass' bill will pass the Senate and House anyway. Even if it did pass then it's still unclear if that blackout period would be from the date the bill passes or the date it is enacted, which is often some time after the bill becomes law. Either way we should find out one way or another by the end of this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlunB Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 Isn't this a good thing? Obviously there would be some short term pain with the black out period' date=' but after that there should be a lot of good games - assuming the American casinos know how to put a poker site together...[/quote'] It depends if you're American or not. The draft bill would mean US players could only play against other US players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlunB Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 Well there seems to be bad news and bad news. The bill seems to still be on the agenda, and it's just as bad as feared. Essentially if it passes under the draft I've looked at then you can kiss goodbye to US players for the next 5 (five) years. The only bright side is that as nobody will be allowed to operate a site in the US for 15 months after it passes there will be an even bigger focus on Europe by everyone. That said if we keep getting closed networks in more European countries we're going to end up with very limited liquidity in the dot com world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadlydaveLDN Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 Well there seems to be bad news and bad news. The bill seems to still be on the agenda, and it's just as bad as feared. Essentially if it passes under the draft I've looked at then you can kiss goodbye to US players for the next 5 (five) years. The only bright side is that as nobody will be allowed to operate a site in the US for 15 months after it passes there will be an even bigger focus on Europe by everyone. That said if we keep getting closed networks in more European countries we're going to end up with very limited liquidity in the dot com world... I would think it's likely that sites such as UB/AP and Bodog, which would presumably have little chance of getting a license, will continue in the US as they currently are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlunB Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 I agree. But this bill would make them categorically illegal, and that will make payment processing much harder and scare away most of the fish. It won't be the same as it is now that's for certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted December 9, 2010 Author Share Posted December 9, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 Such is life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbirds Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 So what happened with this? Did the bill go through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadlydaveLDN Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 I've heard conflicting reports. Some say that the bill is dead, others think it can still go through. Not very helpful, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlunB Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 Overwhelming consensus is it's dead. Never say never in politics, but it looks to be all over for this year. That's not to say the bill couldn't return in 2011... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbirds Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Re: American players banned until 2012 OK thanks Not sure whether to be happy or sad about this tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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