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    The bearer of bad news,systems!!!

    in At The Races - Racing Forum

    Posted

    58 minutes ago, Glentoby said:

    Fair comment and entirely expected.Most seem to have missed the point though of my main assertion i.e Systems do not work and if they did there would be NO BOOKIES?

    My method took the best part of 2 decades and as explained would be completely useless in 2018 if released as a "system",it would work for a short period only to be "Cut off at the pass" when the layers got wind.Only works on horseracing in UK or Ireland and only proved in the UK longterm.

    Reason being the only two countries with the style of Bookies who fit the bill,even though including the Gibralter based or otherwise big concerns..

    £600k may indeed sound like a large sum and refusing because of a £40k shortfall sounds crazy.All granted the sceptics may wonder if it actually works and why did I not sell? Several reasons,some of which already addressed e.g once in the hands of another would become useless if distributed as layers would take steps to negate the backers getting on.

    The £600k figure I put on the method was simply mathematical in terms of how much money would make a difference to SSAFA and to give a realistic chance of the purchaser to recoup the outlay and a fair profit.It is uncomplicated,even simple but requires patience and dedication and most importantly TIME,personal time.

     

    This could involve as little as minutes per day to 12 hours per day,to share the burden would probably mean at least one other.You would have to trust the "other" implicitly not to divulge the method otherwise it would soon fail when the payers got wind and took evasive action.

    It may require many,many "soldiers" to realise the profit expected to recoup the £600k outlay and not impossible over a year and no need to divulge what was going on.However if only one rogue individual worked out the method the outlay would become a liability and therefore that individual.

    My reason for starting this thread was simply to make the point "No systems work long term",if they did there would be no layers?

    So why persist with thousands of posts attached to these threads? Not about selling my method,which if it did sell would be to the highest bidder to benefit SSAFA as a one off and completely useless if divulged to a third party. as explained.Unlikely to affect anyone on here and unlikely to interest anyone outside of curiosity or a view to massive profits by selling it to punters at a large premium in the full knowledge that in short time it would be worthless.

    As stated,proofed in terms of success,proved via 4 BF forumites completely picked at random.Protected by Copyright and other non disclosure terms.Well enough discussed and dismantled etc on BF.

    Instigated mainly to disprove the lies and claims of tipping services,the distortion of the criminal law and consumer laws that allow certain individuals to continue to steal money from desperate or naive punters who seek a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.

    Nobody has yet challenged me in a Law Court to prove my method and disprove their fraudulent claims as a result.I can and will if anyone fancies a go?

    Anyone doubts my credentials to tackle an issue about being ripped off in betting related issues,feel free to let me know and I will do my utmost to help.

    I cannot promise a positive result but feel free to ask the Racing Post,BF Forum,former members of RUK or even Brimardon about my tenacity to put things right.

    Ask Brimardon about the photos they received from me from Sardegna?

    I am on your side 100%.

    I don't think anyone would discount your system but without context you do come across as as overconfident and dismissive of others research. If you scroll to the top of the page it tells you the profits of Billys ratings system and I'm certain he puts more than a few hours in per day,then you have the forum where there is posters putting their own selections up and on the whole they are successful,they have their own systems too.

    Over the last 6/7 months I've been backing the selections, I'm a little in front which given the poor start(change from flat racing to jumps) then the indifferent winter we've had it's a good result. As someone said earlier,it's not just the money it's the enjoyment of watching and also learning.

    I'm damn sure if you started your own thread using your system and putting your selections for the day everyone would take an interest,I certainly would.

    Whatever you choose to do good luck and good luck to the SSAFA :ok

    PL tips how do people use these most effectively

    in At The Races - Racing Forum

    Posted

    You also have to factor in that Billy gives a selection for every race,eliminating possible losers is just as important as BOG. You have maiden races,nhf races where a lot of the horses have no form but a selection is given on the remaining horses with very little form to rate on. I always check the draw of all weather runners and also the weather conditions are an important factor at this time of year.Use your own judgment and experience,still look at the race form.

    The bearer of bad news,systems!!!

    in At The Races - Racing Forum

    Posted

    600k is quite alot of money to me at this moment in time but if you wish I will do a deal with you?

    I have in my possession a small amount of,let's say magic beans. To cut a long story short the family farm fortunes dwindled and mother decided to send me to market with our last tangible asset..a cow.Now me being bone idle I decided not to do the yardage around said market and instead decided to exchange the cow with the first stall holder I met for the beans which he promised me would bring our family untold fortunes.

    Now our family being skint an all we have had to downgrade our family home to a two bedroom terrace with just a small buffer garden,hence not having any garden space to grow the bloody things.

    I'll give you a few days to deliberate,you spill the beans with your secret system and I'll send you my beans first class to you in cloud cuckoo land.

    Thanks in advance,

    Jack.

    Winter AW System

    in At The Races - Racing Forum

    Posted

    19 hours ago, Pirate53 said:

    Yesterdays:

    Another winner!

    Total Staked 21

    Returns 7.59

    Todays:

    Wolves 16.35 Snaffled

    Not if fav, shorter than 2/1 or greater than 10/1. BFSP can be higher than 11 provided ISP is not higher than 11

    Another winner:clap, fancied it myself but only because it's one of my favourite words.

    Stats

    in At The Races - Racing Forum

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, vikki37 said:

    Thank you very much to both of you for the detailed explanations! I've noticed that there is a rare meeting today with jumps and the last race is a flat? Hereford? Hope I understood right. 

    Yes the last race is on the flat but it's for national hunt bred horses that are having their beginner runs to introduce them to hurdle/chase environment and not much to do with genuine flat bred horses,good question like.

    Stats

    in At The Races - Racing Forum

    Posted

    4 hours ago, vikki37 said:

    Sorry for seeming so brainless. I have tried to Google but still a bit unsure. Is it any race with the word Handicap means it's a jumping race? Or is it the word hurdle means jumping race? Is chase just flat races? Thank you in advanced. 

    No a handicap race can be any type of racing,flat,hurdles and fences(chases).A handicap race means that all the horses in one race are given a weight so that theoretically they all finish at the same time given a perfect race.

    https://gg.co.uk/racing/today

    If you click that link above it describes the kind of race it is,the first race at Hereford is a maiden and all the horses except the last one run off the same weight,the bottom on is a filly so she carries less weight as she can't run as fast as the lads.

    When they run more than 3 races they are then given a rating which the handicapper uses to allocate weights to the horses in handicap races. Of course they are nearly always wrong and it's up to punters to find the horses which are then well handicapped so they carry less weight.

    Stats

    in At The Races - Racing Forum

    Posted

    3 hours ago, BillyHills said:

    Do not back odds on shots, I have been let down so many time recently its unbelievable how these horses could have started at such short prices.

    Do not back in Maidens, Novices, Sellers, Claimers or 2yo races!!

    Seriously, the figures published are for backing every selection £20 win and £10 EW if 8/1 or over. Its really up to the individual on how to get the most out of these selections. Personally I tend to follow the tips at the best performing tracks and any handicap on turf.

    Backing the trebles as doubles has provided a few winning bets but I couldn't say if its profitable long term.

    Good luck and welcome to the forum:ok

    More or less this myself,even started leaving out some of the night all weather meetings too.Will back each way 6/1 and above as I get my stake back a few more times.

    Racing Chat - Saturday Jan 6th

    in At The Races - Racing Forum

    Posted

    Welsh national is so hard this year,ground could be bottomless..gone Chase the spud and Beware the bear for my ATR because of their in form. Good friend of mine has gone Mysteree as it's getting weight all round. Would probably go with beware the bear but no confidence with any. Good luck with your selections.

    Quick System

    in At The Races - Racing Forum

    Posted

    On 22/12/2017 at 8:53 AM, BillyHills said:

    Good luck with the search Ralphie, 
    We have a pack of 4 plus one Foster dog, we have been fostering Romanian dogs and rehomed two in Rochdale and Oldham. We still have the Husky but she went blind this year due to Diabetes, she's doing ok but I think we know this will be her last Christmas with us. The 3 GSD's are doing well and the foster dog is a mix, think he has Husky in him somewhere. Its like a mad house here, cant think what it would be like without a dog in it though!
    We live in Southport now so if you fancy a stroll on the beach anytime or a match in the Conference North (we are shit, by the way, Kevin Davies just took over and we will do well to stay up) drop us a line.

    :ok

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    Beautiful dogs Graham, have a German Shepherd cross who was rescued as a pup..best women in my life,spent the last 9 years giving the best life for her, beautiful creatures they are.

    MY Ante post Diary

    in At The Races - Racing Forum

    Posted · Edited by Saint R

    10/1 non runner no bet on bet365 is Thistlecrack,tempting but would rather save my tokens for now in the hope that theres some special offers nearer the time.I will be backing Thistlecrack for the Gold Cup though,ran ok in the King George with Tizzard mainly out of form and looks to be returning to form(Thistlecrack), Sizing John ran a poor race last week but excuses can be made for a short lay off and another trainer out of form, Might bite could be the one to really bite my arse but I don't think on the big day is better than either of them.

    PL Tips - bad December or poor value?

    in At The Races - Racing Forum

    Posted · Edited by Saint R
    Grammar test

    Been a awkward month to be fair and despite alot of nearlys I've managed to keep my bank just intact.It has been a hard month,January and February could be the same. I think when listening to the commentary at Haydock yesterday I heard one of the commentators describe the ground as "sticky", well that gives you clue that the ground can alter the ratings a little. Only had 10 bets yesterday and I fancied at least 6 to run better than they did.

    Another thing is it must be a pain in the arse backing on the exchanges,it's something that might be inevitable if we all go on a good run,it's no secret that today's bookies do not like clever punters.Like most followers of Punters Lounge we all put our bets on the previous day to maximise the value but when the horse drifts you can easily cash out on traditional bookmakers and alter your bet. You don't get that luxury on the exchanges.

    It's hard sometimes,when I first started it was at the end of the flat season and the start of the jumps and still kept my bank intact,if a selection drifted from 6/1 to 25/1 cash out and half the stake.It's not a bad choice to start when things are not running great but in the long run the stats speak for themselves,the most important thing is to have your bank and your staking plan and don't ever risk more than you can afford,it's not a instant road to riches as the wadfather found out.

    Have a great Christmas you all and here's to a great new year.:beer

    Ten Tracks To Follow - Jumps

    in At The Races - Racing Forum

    Posted

    1 hour ago, BillyHills said:

    Saturday
     

    Ascot
    1240: Forgetthesmalltalk 100/30 PP
    1.25: Coney Island 10/11 bet635
    1.50: Poker School 6/1 bet365
    2.25: Unowhatimeanharry 2/1 bet365
    3.00: Singlefarmpayment 5/1 Betfred
    3.35: Elgin EW 9/1 bet365

    Newcastle
    1145: Silver Eclipse 1/1 bet365
    1215: Celtic Flames 7/4 bet365
    1250: Our Valentina 2/1 bet365
    1.25: Crest EW 10/1 PP
    2.00: Catchthemoonlight EW  9/1 betfair
    2.35: Dubai Angel 7/4  bet365
    3.10: Emissaire 7/4  bet365

    Have a good Christmas:ok

    :cheers

     

    Have a great Christmas Billy and Happy Christmas to all.

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