sammy36 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 I like betting on the all weather (not with muuch success mind) and i know there is no definite answer to this as all horses vary but in general how much is a horses ability affected coming from the turf to the all weather? I was wondering how much of a disadvantage they have with the track (sharp bends) the surface (kickback etc) to competing with horse who run on the all weather all of the time. By the way I am amazed at the knowledge some of the guys on here have about horse racing. I have a lot of catching to do:(. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fintron Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Re: turf to all weather I like betting on the all weather (not with muuch success mind) and i know there is no definite answer to this as all horses vary but in general how much is a horses ability affected coming from the turf to the all weather? I was wondering how much of a disadvantage they have with the track (sharp bends) the surface (kickback etc) to competing with horse who run on the all weather all of the time. By the way I am amazed at the knowledge some of the guys on here have about horse racing. I have a lot of catching to do:(. welcome to ATR Sammy :ok I think you have to treat a horses all-weather form and turf form very differently, as there are many horses that dont take to the AW but run well on turf. Ceremonial Jade is a good example, last season on turf at Newcastle he ran off a mark of just 92, but on his next outing he was back on the AW and running off 105 - which shows he is nearly a stone better on artificial surfaces - quite a difference really. I think the point about bends you make is a good one. Some horses like Vitznau today like racing around a bend, others, Kaolak, are big striding types, that prefer a straight track such as Newmarket or Goodwood and would not like a turning track like Chester, or Wolves or Kempton if they were to race on the AW. RE the going, I like to think that the fibresand at Southwell is similar to soft ground on turf, quite slow. I dont really draw any comparisions with polytrack and fast turf, I think polytrack is quite unique, and horses either seem to handle it or they dont. If a horse has no polytrack form I treat it with caution, and often look at the sire's progeny to see if they act on the surface (the RP site is good for this). But I would rather chance a horse that hasn't run on AW than one that has run on it and performed badly for no apparent reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy36 Posted April 3, 2010 Author Share Posted April 3, 2010 Re: turf to all weather Thanks for the response Fintron and as I thought I will have to treat every horse differently.I think I really have give more time to these races if I want to make it pay and get more info like a horses sire as you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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