RuleBritannia Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Anyone got any advice on what is the best way to play PLO? Been pissing about on the PLO tables on WHPC. Playing $0.05/$0.10 atm six max table. Only playing 1 table. Started with just $2 and havent reloaded and on $7.11 as we speak..... but just looking for some advice as to how the game of PLO should be played, particularly at these micro stakes? Have noticed people come in though, load up $5 and play every hand, and quickly going bust. Is this normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuleBritannia Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha Not sure if I played this one well or not, but one thing for sure.... I knew there was a high likelihood that "spaceman" had nothing or was drawing as he is playing pots, losing and reloading to $10 every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooloovoo Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha Position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position position Sums it up really :tongue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samba_SamPa Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha Not my own words, taken from a post on fcp, which itself was taken from various internet sources. Long read, but should help anybody :ok Omaha Strat Pot-Limit Omaha centers on two things: building the nut hand, and position. The first point is obvious. The hands are strong in Pot-Limit Omaha, so you want to be able to hold the best hand. Most Pot-Limit Omaha games do not go to a showdown. When they do, more than likely one player has the nuts or was drawing to the nuts. When two players have strong made hands against each other, generally one has the nut hand or second-nut and the other player also has a near nut hand. An example would be a board with AQ554. One player could have AAxx and the other player might have QQxx. If a player called a huge bet on this board with 23xx, they would be a fool. While this straight would be a strong hand in Hold'em, it would be a very weak hand for this board in Omaha. Omaha's emphasis on building the nut hand greatly changes starting hand selection. In order to hit the nuts or near nuts, you need hands that coordinate well with themselves. When the board comes, you want to be able to build the nuts in multiple ways. You want to be able to build nut straights, nut flushes, and big full houses. This way, even if say your straight is now vulnerable to a flush, you might also have a full house draw. You do not want hands that will be vulnerable to becoming the second best hand. If a hand is ill-coordinated, there is a good chance it will hit the flop decently. However, it could easily be outdrawn on further streets, and you will have little chance of redrawing again to the best hand. So when evaluating your preflop Omaha hand, here are some tips: •High pocket pairs are good. This is because they have the chance at building a big full house. If you do not hit a set with a big pair, the pair is essentially worthless. •Connecting cards are helpful. A hand like JT98 is a very good Pot-Limit Omaha hand because it affords the player with so many straight opportunities. Holding JT98 is far superior to holding QJ56 because you can build many multi-way straight possibilities with JT98. However, you cannot with QJ56. •Suited cards should be treated with caution. One can call and draw to an ace high flush. However, drawing to any non-nut flush can be very foolish. Having non-ace high suited cards is only helpful for redraws, multiple draws (i.e. also having a straight draw), or back-door flush draws. One should never draw to just a flush that is not a nut flush. •Low and mid pocket pairs are close to worthless. A hand like 5588 belongs in the muck. Even if you hit a set, you can easily lose to a higher set, straight, or flush. Another central concept to Pot-Limit Omaha is position. Omaha is all about position. There are several reasons for this. First, free cards are death in Omaha. If you are in early position, you will almost always have to bet your hand, even if you hold the nuts. For example, if the board is 567 and you hold 899A, you definitely have to bet. Someone could too easily draw to a full house, flush, or perhaps even a higher straight. Because of this, people in early positions tend to give away their hands. People in late position can much more easily bluff at pots because they can be fairly certain that people in early posiitons do not have a hand, and people in late position can sometimes earn themselves extremely valuable free cards. Because of this, there is little reason to raise preflop out of position. Even if you hold A A J 10 , you should still limp in early position. Only in late position should you raise preflop, and you should raise not so much to knock people out but to build a pot. Of course, if you hold a pair of aces in early position and someone has raised behind you, a re-raise may be in order. Only do this if you would be close to all-in after the reraise. Giving away your hand is a recipe for disaster at Omaha. However, the re-raise trick with a pair of aces is a good move to make if you would be close to all-in. You will almost always be a statistical favorite with this move, which is all you can really ask for in a game as crazy as Pot-Limit Omaha. At the low-limit Omaha Hold'em games, there is easy money if you have the patience. Usually, these games are filled with players who are playing far too loose because everyone thinks that their two-pair is a great hand. The best strategy is to play hands that do well in multi-way pots and bet hard when you have the nuts. Please note: this article is intended for beginners playing low-limit Omaha games where the play tends to be loose and passive. It is not intended for more serious Omaha games. There is another version of Omaha called Omaha hi-lo. In this game the high hand and low hand split the pot. This article will not discuss the hi-lo version; I will only talk about Omaha hi. Some good places to play low-limit Omaha are Party Poker or Empire Poker (they are on the same network). Another place to play is Paradise Poker but they don't have as many Omaha players. Starting hands In longhanded Omaha there really isn't any such thing as a "dominant hand" preflop. You could get two Aces and two Kings and still easily get beat. However, that isn't to say that you should call to the flop with just anything. You should still play good hands, although now there are many types of good hands, hands that become dominant after the flop hits. So, although some hands are better than others, the implied odds will have a huge effect on what hands you are playing in hyper-loose environment of low-limit Omaha. The best starting hands in low-limit Omaha are hands where you hit two pair and your draw, for example K Q J 10 . (A great flop would be Q J 3 .) Those hands are a bit rare, so another good hand in a loose game would just be a hand with a lot of drawing possibilities. If you are expecting a multi-way pot, then it is important to be drawing to the nuts. In other words, you want to draw to an Ace-high flush, not a 9-high flush. Also, you don't want to draw toward straights if you have low cards and are likely to end up at the low end of the straight. You may wish to simply call preflop with drawing hands so as to not scare away the loose-passive players. This way you also risk less if you don't hit your draw. However, if you hold a hand which has strength in high cards, such as A A K J , then you should raise. You should also raise with several drawing possibilities to build up the pot, if you feel that people are staying in too much for big pots. Hands with only a high pair can sometimes be played. Play AAxx, KKxx definitely; with AAxx you should raise if you think you can knock people out and get the hand heads-up or 3-way. You may experiment with QQxx but that is very borderline. A set would be nice, but sets aren't so great in Omaha since someone can easily draw a flush or straight on you. With high pairs you really want to hit a high full house, and rob someone who thinks their lower full house is the high-hand. The main reason high pairs are much less valuable than in Texas Hold'em is because having an Overpair on the flop is worthless in Omaha. Most likely someone else has a two-pair. Flop play In general, you want to fold any hand unless you have top 2 pair or a draw to the nuts or near-nuts (for example a King-high flush). These requirements can be relaxed a bit if the game is shorthanded: you can draw to slightly lower straights/flushes. However, you still don't want to be calling with one pair. If there is a pair on board and you don't have trips, then do not draw. Most likely someone has the trips and you're unlikely to semibluff people out of the pot. If you call and hit your draw, you may be beat by a full house! Semi-bluffs are only useful if you can think you can win outright. However, in many loose low-limit games you will get called to showdown by multiple players. In this case, you don't want to semi-bluff that much. Maybe throw in one or two for deception, but try to avoid it otherwise. Two pair and sets are troublesome if there is a draw on board. With several people in hand, there may be so many outs against you that you will probably lose the hand! Try to go for a check-raise and punish people for drawing. However, be prepared to fold at the turn if a draw (or two!) hits and you think you are beat. If you hit your full house, you can try slowplaying (if you have the nut full house) and hope someone hits their straight or flush. However, don't overdo the slowplay, you should only do it if you really can't be hurt by the river card, and be more inclined to slowplay if the opponents fall for it often and if you have position. If you find your opponents to be call-stations then go ahead and bet on the turn anyway. If your opponents are new at Omaha and they think their Ace-flush is the nut hand when the board is paired, you don't want to slowplay. Often times these players will cap out against you on the turn and river despite the full house possibility showing! However, please note that full house is not even guaranteed to be high-hand. It is quite common to see one full house beat by another at an Omaha game. Generally, you have a low full house if your trip is lower than the board pair, and you are probably safe to win if your trip is higher than the board pair. The best way to tell if your full house is the best hand is by paying attention to your opponents betting sequence. With a low full house, you may consider trying to encourage a bluff by checking and calling instead of betting out, on a fraction of your hands. Turn play If you hit your flush or straight by the turn you definitely should bet hard, and even check-raise if you are certain someone will bet (But bet outright if you have any doubt). There could easily be a set or two pair out against you and they could make their full house on the river. Make sure they don't get a free card here. River play Often times the board will have no straight or flush showing and you think your two pair or set is the high hand. Then a scare card will hit on the river. If this happens, you may want to check down the river. After all, if you get check-raised, you are doubling the amount of money you have put into the hand. It depends on how many opponents are still in the hand and how they played it, but in a multi-way pot, checking is usually the right move. However, if your opponent rarely check-raises, or if he has played the hand like he had two pair, then you may consider betting. If you are on the other side of the coin, and you hit your hand on the river, you may want to bet out instead of check-raising, because your opponent may check it down. I usually mix-up whether I bet or check-raise in that situation, depending on what I think my opponent has, but also to add deception and uncertainty. It is important to make your opponents fear the check-raise so that they are afraid to bet on the river, letting you see some showdowns more cheaply. Introduction Pot-Limit Omaha is one of the most popular cash games played in casinos across Europe today. It has made significant headway in tournament games and, in fact, bigger tournaments host Pot-Limit Omaha events a couple of times throughout the year. Omaha is one of the fastest growing types of poker today and is played far more in Europe than in the United States. Pot-Limit Omaha is a very strategic game, involving a great deal of skill and discipline, and requires that players are able to balance many concepts simultaneously. This article aims to help beginner and intermediate players improve their Pot-Limit Omaha game by playing in a solid, tight aggressive style. It advocates balancing bluffs and semi-bluffs with (mostly) solid play, and focuses on pre-flop and flop play since these are the most important betting rounds. The game rapidly becomes complex and more challenging to analyse when you reach the turn and river. However, if you play correctly pre-flop and on the flop, you will face less difficult situations on the turn and river. #As in all forms of poker there are exceptions to the rules and, as such, the concepts laid out in this article should be understood as general guidelines. In order to be a truly successful player, it is imperative that you are able to use your judgement when determining the best possible play. It is virtually impossible to provide clear-cut advice applicable to all situations. Key skills to becoming a good Pot-Limit Omaha player •Strict hand selection (patience/discipline) •Good table selection (very important in all poker games) •Discipline (the ability to wait for a good hand and not chase with second best hands) •Read your opponents •Courage to bet/raise (to be aggressive with draws or perceived best hands) •Not vulnerable to go on tilt A Comparison: Pot-Limit Omaha vs. Texas Hold'em 1.More players will see the flop in Omaha. The advantage of good starting hands over worse ones is not as great in Omaha. This encourages people to see more flops in Omaha than in Hold'em. It also creates bigger pots, making your decisions on the flop even more crucial. 2.You need a stronger hand to win at Omaha. The hands that typically win the pot in Hold'em, such as top pair with top kicker and overpairs, do not win it very often in Pot-Limit Omaha. In Omaha, the best hands are those that are made and hold additional value, like top set with a big draw. When the money goes into the middle in Pot-Limit Omaha someone is usually holding the nuts. 3.Omaha is a more hand driven game. There are not as many opportunities to bluff in Omaha. This is due to the fact that there are more players seeing the flop and more combinations of hands to be made. When a pair is on the board someone is likely holding a full house, when a flush or straight is possible someone is likely to hold it, and so forth. 4.Giving free cards is generally a bad play in Omaha. First of all, because the pots are usually bigger on the flop, it makes more sense to try and win the pot right there. Second of all, your hands are much more likely to get action because of the greater drawing possibilities. And, finally, it is very probable that a free card could beat your hand. 5.Position is less important in Omaha. Although position is very important in all forms of poker, it is less important in Omaha. More players are in on the flop and it is hard to pick up a pot by betting when checked-to in late position. As a result, it is usually the player holding the best hand that wins the pot. 6.Tight players are less likely to be "bullied" in Omaha. In Hold'em, tight players can easily be bullied out of pots when the flop comes with low cards. However, in Omaha, because a tight player can play hands such as 8-7-6-5, J-J-5-4 or 8-8-7-7 with little difficulty, it is harder to push them around. The pondering bully can never be positive that you do not hold the nuts on a flop like 7-6-3, while, in Hold'em, he would be almost certain that you do not. Pot-Limit In Pot-Limit Omaha, you want to protect your hands by making pot-sized bets and raises until you are a big favourite, at which point you put all your money in the middle. You want to have the best possible hand and/or draw when all the money goes in. In Pot-Limit, the pots increase quickly and you must be able to determine the amount you can bet on the turn, if you expect to get called on the flop. Generally, there is no reason to bet or raise less than the size of the pot when playing Pot-Limit Omaha. You might do this on specific occasions, like when betting into an opponent with the second-nut flush on the river and the pot is very big, or if you want a call on the river and you bet the amount you think your opponent will call. However, while it is entirely dependent on the player and the situation, most of the time it is best to bet and raise the size of the pot. Top Advice and Common Mistakes Pot-Limit Omaha Top Advice 1.Be very selective with your starting hands: nothing is more important than choosing the correct starting hand for a certain situation. 2.Table selection: only play in games where you have an edge. You want at least a couple of weak players at the table when you sit down. 3."Play the players": be sure to quickly assess the opposition: who plays inferior hands, who folds at aggression, who bets with draws, who calls big bets with weak hands and draws, who can be bluffed, who bluffs, etc. 4."Pump it or dump it": fold or bet/raise (if the odds are with you). You should avoid calling unless you have a good reason (such as trapping an opponent or increasing your pot odds when you are on a big draw). 5.Respect most big bets and raises: this is particularly true in Pot-Limit Omaha since most players do not bluff. 6.Do not get "married" to the nut flush draw: the difference between drawing to the nut flush in Omaha as compared to Hold'em is that in Hold'em you can usually win the pot by pairing your Ace or win the pot with a flush even though the board pairs. The same is not true in Omaha. 7.Do not get "married" to an eight way straight draw: in Omaha, it is possible to flop 13-way, 17-way and 20-way straight draws. It is best to wait until you hold one of these draws before you heavily involve yourself in the pot. 8.Do not overplay unsuited Aces: when all you hold are a pair of Aces and two unsuited, unconnected rags, there is little you can flop to improve your hand. If you do not flop an Ace, you will usually end up with a weak holding. 9.Bet your best drawing hands: enhance the deception in your game by betting your strong draws, as you will also win more pots without a fight. 10.Always draw to the nuts in multi-way pots: when all the money goes into the middle in multi-way pots, be sure to draw to the nuts. Avoid committing all your money with draws without additional value as you can find yourself trapped between a set and the nut flush draw, maybe leaving you with only a nut straight draw that might end up in a split pot if you hit. Pot-Limit Omaha Common Mistakes 1.Not releasing a decent hand when beat, thus losing the whole stack on one hand. 2.Overvaluing the hand (common mistake by Hold'em players). 3.Calling with weak holdings when facing a bet. 4.Playing too many starting hands. 5.Not raising pre-flop with premium hands (putting pressure on limpers holding drawing hands) and then going too far with them after the flop. 6.Giving free cards or-under betting the pot (risking a lot to win small/not protecting your hand). Pre-Flop Play General Pre-Flop Advice The most important skill to master when playing Pot-Limit Omaha is knowing which starting hands are profitable to play. However, there are no guides capable of covering every possible situation, so it is advised that you follow certain standard guidelines. Essentially, the hand you chose to play is dependent on the following factors: 1.Is the table tight or loose? 2.How many players are sitting at the table? 3.How many players are in the pot when it is your turn to act? 4.Has the pot been raised? If so, from what player and position? 5.What is your position? 1.If the table is tight you should strongly consider moving to a different game, though there are ways to make money at tight tables as well. In general, you have to play more aggressively than usual. This translates into much more pre-flop raising and bluffing. Your advantage at this type of table is that you will know how your opponents play but you will be playing more hands and playing them aggressively, which will make your plays harder to read. 2.Generally, you must play tighter at a full table and looser at a short handed table. 3.If many players are in the pot when it is your turn to act, you will possess more information, which will allow you to play more hands. In addition, your drawing hands will get a better price and there is less of a likelihood that you will be able to limit the field by raising. 4.If the pot has been raised, you will have to play hands that you think are not dominated by the raiser. In these situations you should be very selective of what hands you play. 5.Your position will greatly affect the hands you play. In general, you have to play tighter from an early position and then add hands as your position improves. Starting Hands The starting hand is just as important in Omaha as in all other forms of poker. What you are looking for is four cards that work together, although many beginners (who are used to playing Texas Hold'em) do not realize this. They will play any four cards that contain one or two good Hold'em hands. For example, they often overrate hands like #Js-#Jd-#2c-#7h, thinking that it is as good as a pair of Jacks is in Hold'em. They also misinterpret hands, such as #Ac-#Qd-#8h-#8s, because they include two decent Hold'em hands. However, in this type of hand there are poorly coordinated combinations, like A-8 and Q-8. For example, compare the aforementioned hands to As-#Ks-#Ah-#Kh, which is the strongest starting hand in Omaha. In this hand, you hold AA, KK and two different combinations of AKs. All possible combinations are very strong hands in Texas Hold'em as well. Other examples of hands that have four cards working together are hands like #Qs-#Jc-#Ts-#9c, #Ks-#Kc-#Qs-#Jc, #Qs-#Qc-#Js-#Tc, #Js-#Jc-#Ts-#Tc, As-#Ac-#3s-#4c, As-#Ac-#Ks-#Qc, As-#Ac-#Js-#Tc (the second strongest starting hand), #8s-#7c-#6s-#5c, and so forth. Thus, you want starting hands that hold both straight, flush and set potential. For instance, imagine the power of holding the As-#Ac-#Jc-#Ts on a flop of #Ah-#Ks-#Qs, giving you top set, the nut straight, and the nut flush draw. Notice that the #Js will also give you a royal flush. Another example is if you hold the #Qs-#Qh-#Ks-#Th on a flop of #Qc-#Js-#7s, giving you top set, a flush draw, and an open-ended straight draw. Hand Ranking Below you will find listed the top 30 starting hands in Pot-Limit Omaha. 1 A-A-K-K double suited 2 A-A-J-T double suited 3 A-A-Q-Q double suited 4 A-A-J-J double suited 5 A-A-T-T double suited 6 A-A-9-9 double suited 7 A-A-x-x double suited 8 J-T-9-8 double suited 9 K-K-Q-Q double suited 10 K-K-J-J double suited 11 K-Q-J-T double suited 12 K-K-T-T double suited 13 K-K-A-Q double suited 14 K-K-A-J double suited 15 K-K-A-T double suited 16 K-K-Q-J double suited 17 K-K-Q-T double suited 18 K-K-J-T double suited 19 Q-Q-J-J double suited 20 Q-Q-T-T double suited 21 Q-Q-A-K double suited 22 Q-Q-A-J double suited 23 Q-Q-A-T double suited 24 Q-Q-K-J double suited 25 Q-Q-K-T double suited 26 Q-Q-J-T double suited 27 Q-Q-J-9 double suited 28 Q-Q-9-9 double suited 29 J-J-T-T double suited 30 J-J-T-9 double suited Whether double suited, suited or non-suited, these are all very strong starting hands in Pot-Limit Omaha. The Trap Hands Trap hands are hands that seem very good but can easily make you a second-best hand. These are the types of hands than can cause you to lose your whole stack. There are three types of trap hands in Pot-Limit Omaha: 1.The Small Pair Hands 2.The Low Wrap Hands 3.The Small Flush Hands 1.Hands with pairs below Nines are dangerous to play. When you flop a set it is very hard to escape the hand and, if you are up against a bigger set, you are drawing to one out. When you hold a hand like #6s-#6h-#5s-#4h and the flop comes #Qc-#Jc-#6d, you may find yourself in big trouble. The moment to play small pairs is when you do not have a lot of money in front of you, at this stage it is not as bad to commit your whole stack if you flop a small set. Or, for example, when you have something like A-A-2-2 or K-K-3-3, then you should play in the hopes of flopping the big set. However, you must always think twice before you commit a lot of money with bottom set on the flop. 2.The types of hands that are very deceptive and dangerous to play are the lower four connected hands, like #5s-#4c-#3s-#2c. These hands are dangerous because it is too simple to flop or draw to the low-end of a straight. When the flop comes 8-7-6 with this type of hand, you can easily find yourself up against a bigger straight, drawing dead. 3.Hands that can only make small flushes are risky hands. For example, let us again look at the #5s-#4c-#3s-#2c on a flop of #Ks-#Js-#8s. This will give you a small flush. You cannot commit a lot of money with this hand and, if you were to get any action at all, you would most likely be beat. Limping or Raising Before the Flop In Pot-Limit Omaha, no matter what you hold, your opponent's hand will almost always have a decent chance of beating your hand. For example, being dealt an A-A-K-K double suited is 50,000:1 (against) and that hand is just a 3:2 favourite to win against 8-7-6-5 double suited. As such, the question arises as to whether or not you should raise when you hold a good starting hand. What about only raising when you hold Aces? The problem with this strategy is that you become too predicable, as people will know exactly where you are and will not likely make mistakes against you. How about always limping in? This is better than just raising with Aces though it is still not an optimal strategy. Whenever you bet, raise or call on the flop, your opponents will also have a good idea of what type of hand you hold. If you never raise pre-flop, you do not make other limping players pay enough to see the flop for those times when you hold a strong starting hand. Also, you will not be picking up as many pots as when you play with a raising strategy. By raising with a variety of hands pre-flop, you will gain numerous advantages: you become unpredictable, you pick up more pots, you make opponents pay when you are likely to have the best hand, and you obtain more bluffing opportunities. Another advantage is that it is more fun to play according to this strategy. In light of all this, it becomes clear that a strategy combining both raising and limping with a variety of hands is the best. What hands to raise with A good pre-flop raising strategy is to raise with any of the top 30 hands mentioned above, all of which hold at least one suit and most that don't, though this is not entirely sufficient and you will need to raise with more hands. Add any four cards in a row that are double-suited with cards, Six or higher, and all single and double suited A-K-x-x with at least one x-card, Ten or higher. Hands like Q-J-9-8 or J-T-9-7 double suited are also good to raise with. Summary: 1.All top 30 hands with at least one suit and most of the time when off suit. 2.All suited A-K-x-x with at least one x-card, Ten or higher. 3.All double suited four in a row of hands, Five or higher. 4.All double suited connected hands, Five or higher, with a maximum of one gap between the top two and the two low cards or between the low card and the three high cards. An example is K-Q-T-9 double suited and J-9-8-6 double suited. 5.All K-K-x-x double suited. What hands to limp with 1.All A-Q-x-x with at least one x-card, Ten or higher, and the Ace being suited. 2.All four in a row combinations, Four or higher. 3.All A-x-x-x anything with at least two x-cards that are connected and the Ace being suited. 4.All four in a row combinations, Five or higher, with a maximum of one gap that is not between the top and bottom three cards in the hand. Flop Play General Flop Advice Whether or not you were the pre-flop raiser makes a big difference in the way you play your hand. If you were the pre-flop raiser and the pot is shorthanded, strongly consider betting-out even though your hand did not improve. However, you should always consider what type of flop hit. For example, if it is three handed and you raised with two bare Aces and the flop comes Q-J-T with a flush draw that you do not hold in your hand. This is a good opportunity to check and let the other two players fight for the money. But, if the flop is Q-7-3 with no flush draw, you should bet-out. This adds an element of deception to your play and enables you to pick up more pots. In addition, you will get more action when you do hit a great hand on the flop, since betting-out does not necessarily mean you hold anything substantial. Basically, you should never slow play any hand when you hit your hand hard on the flop, especially because giving free cards in Omaha comes with a much higher risk than it does in Hold'em. Two Pair Two pair is a difficult hand to play in Omaha. This is because it is a strong hand but not strong enough that you feel completely comfortable committing all your money with it. In general, you must have at least top two pair to give action on the flop. There are too many ways you can be beat or will end up outdrawn if you commit a lot of money with top and bottom two pair or bottom two pair. If there are straight and/or flush draws on the board and you are called, use your judgement when deciding whether to bet again on the turn. Always consider the type of opponent you are up against. If you think your opponent will continue to draw, you should bet in an effort to shut him out. In Omaha, when someone just calls on the flop that player is generally on a draw, though in some cases they hold bottom set or a weak two pair that they do not want to release on the flop. Bottom two pair and top and bottom two pair are not worth playing on the flop, essentially. It is better to have a big draw to the nuts than to hold this type of hand. The most dangerous aspect of these hands is that you can trap yourself for all your money. This usually happens when you hit a full house on the turn and that same card gives someone else a bigger full house. Sets Since the playing style suggested in this article warns against playing small pairs, you should not find yourself in many situations where you are up against a bigger set. If you were the pre- flop raiser, almost always bet-out on the flop if you hit a set. It is seldom wrong to bet-out with top set in a short-handed pot, even though the board looks scary. Remember that anytime you flop a set, you have about a 34% chance of improving to a full house on the turn and river combined. For example, if you pre-flop raised holding K-K-7-6 double suited and the flop comes K-J-9 with a flush draw that you do not have, bet-out and be prepared to get action. The other players will have to hold a Q-T-x-x with the flush draw in order to feel comfortable moving in against you. Some players only raise with Aces and, if one of these players raised pre-flop and an Ace flops, you can put them on top set right away. This is especially true if they limped in from an early position and then re-raised the pot after it had been raised behind them. These players will almost always be holding Aces. Straight Draws In Omaha you will flop many kinds of straight draws. What you want to flop are so-called wrap around straight draws. This happens when the flop comes with two cards that connect and you have cards that surround these two cards. Let us look at a few examples: 1. Hand: Q-J-8-x Flop: T-9-x Outs: 17 (wrap around) 2. Hand: J-8-7-x Flop: T-9-x Outs: 17 (wrap around) 3. Hand: K-Q-J-x Flop: T-9-x Outs: 13 4. Hand: 8-7-6-x Flop: T-9-x Outs: 13 5. Hand Q-J-8-7 Flop: T-9-x Outs: 20 (double wrap around) It is better to have more overcards than undercards because you will be drawing to a bigger straight. This is why Hand 1 is stronger than Hand 2 and Hand 3 is stronger than Hand 4. Situations will arise when Hand 1 and Hand 2 move all-in on the flop. In this case, Hand 2's strength will diminish considerably, leaving it in bad shape. You should bet the majority of your big draws on the flop. You do this for two reasons: because you can win the pot immediately (semi-bluff) and because it adds deception to your game. If you play in this manner, your opponents will not know whether you are betting a made hand or a draw. If you flop a 13-way straight draw to the nuts without any possible flush draws, you are going to get involved in the pot. With 13 nut outs, you have an approximate 29% chance of hitting the nuts on the turn and a 50% chance of hitting on the turn and river combined. Therefore, if an opponent bets the size of the pot, you should call or raise depending on the situation and the player. The Turn The turn is generally a time for making big decisions. Should you bet again? Should you re-raise the maximum? Should you fold or call? This depends on many factors (too many to address here), though there are some general guidelines that can be followed. If you hold the nuts, you bet on the flop and, if you still hold the nuts on the turn, you usually should bet the maximum again. Your opponent is likely to be drawing and you want to shut him out or charge him the maximum for attempting to outdraw you. If you hold a minimum of 13 outs to beat whatever your opponent might be holding, it is appropriate to call a pot-sized bet on the turn, though only if both you and your opponent have money left on the river. With 13 outs, you are slightly less then 2:1 (13/44=29.5%) against improving and those are the exact odds the pot is laying you in this case. Because of the implied odds when there is more money left to win, a call is correct. The River If you hold the nuts, contemplate what your opponent might possibly hold and try to squeeze out the maximum. If you missed your draw, you must either give up or try a big bluff in case a scare card hits. A lot of judgement is needed when the pot is big and you hold a good hand but not the nuts. You must consider what your opponent is capable of. Will he try to run a bluff if checked to? Or will he also check? Do you dare to value bet with a good hand that is not the nuts? Bluffing Bluffing plays an important role in all forms of poker. In Omaha, bluffing is invoked less frequently than in Hold'em but it remains an important skill to master. It is best to bluff when you hold one or more of the key cards in the hand, for example, when you hold the bare Ace and there is a possible flush on the board. When deciding whether or not to bluff, always consider the following factors: 1.Type of opponent: do not bluff weak opponents who call with anything (referred to as "calling stations"). This is the most common mistake. Be sure that your opponent is a good enough player to fold a hand. 2.Number of opponents: in general, do not bluff a field of three or more players. A bluff is much more likely to succeed against one opponent, not only because it is just one player but also because the pot is usually smaller, which makes it less desirable. 3.Your table image: a bluff is less likely to succeed if you have a loose table image as opposed to a tight one. If you were recently caught bluffing, your opponents will be more likely to call you in the future, although reverse psychology can occasionally prove beneficial in such situations. For example, if a good player caught you bluffing and he regards you as a good player, he might think you would not dare to bluff him again. 4.Your "reading" skills: if you "read" the game well and are able to put your opponents on likely holdings, you will be able to identify good bluffing opportunities. This is probably the hardest and most important skill to master. 5.The board: if the board looks like it could have hit your opponents or presents many drawing possibilities, a bluff is less likely to succeed. Look for boards without many draws or cards that are likely to improve your opponents' hands. If you can represent a hand, the bluff is more likely to succeed. An uncoordinated board with one scare card that you can represent is usually a good bluffing opportunity. 6.The size of the pot: your opponents will be more prone to call if the pot is big because they get better pot odds. On the other hand, if you make a successful bluff in a big pot the reward will also be bigger. This is when good judgement comes into play. 7.Position: if you are sitting in late position, you will usually have more access to information regarding your opponents' hands and, thus, will be in a better situation to bluff. For example, if it is checked to you, the board looks favourable and there are few players in the pot. Made Hand vs. Drawing Hands on the Flop Let us look at some odds for made hands vs. drawing hands on the flop at Omaha. Made Hand Drawing Hand Favourite Set overpair and flush draw Set 1.97 Set gut-shot straight and flush draw Set 1.91 Set overpair and straight draw Set 1.88 Set 13-way straight draw Set 1.44 Set open-ended straight and flush draw Set 1.38 Set 17-way straight draw Set 1.03 Set 13-way straight and flush draw Set 1.01 (even money) Set 20-way straight draw Draw 1.19 Set 17-way straight and flush draw Draw 1.27 Set 20-way straight and flush draw Draw 1.43 Pot Odds Pot odds are what you use to calculate whether a certain play has a positive expected value. It is defined as the relationship between the size of the pot and the bet. For instance, if the pot is $100 and you bet $10, the pot odds are 10:1. In order to calculate your pot odds, you must know how many outs your hand has at that moment. For example, if you flop a nut heart flush draw, you then have 9 outs to make your hand. There are 13 hearts in total. You hold 2 and the flop came with 2, leaving 9 hearts unseen. If you refer to the table below, you will notice that you have a 35% chance of hitting a hand with 9 outs on the turn and river combined. This is slightly better than 1 in 3 times, which means that if it costs you $10 to win $30 or more, drawing for a flush is the correct move. A rule of thumb: every out gives you about a 4% chance of hitting on the turn and river combined. For example, 5 outs gives you about a 20% chance of improving, 6 outs about 24%, etc. Outs for specific draws Double wrap around straight draw 20 outs Wrap around straight draw 17 outs Straight flush draw 15 outs Flush draw and overpair 11 outs Flush draw 9 outs Open-ended straight draw 8 outs Three pair 6 outs Two pair 4 outs Drawing outs from a deck of 45 unseen cards No of outs=% on River 4 17 5 21 6 25 7 29 8 33 9 36 10 40 11 43 12 47 13 50 14 53 15 56 16 59 17 62 18 65 19 67 20 70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooloovoo Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha On a serious note, position is imo even more important in PLO than Texas. It's also a game of nuts, it is very common for the winning hand to be much stronger than the avg winning hand in Texas. You are always drawing to the nuts. If you flop a set, your'e really drawing to a full house, and so on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooloovoo Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha Very good post Samba :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuleBritannia Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha Cheers Guys...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuleBritannia Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha If you flop a set, your'e really drawing to a full house, and so on Like in post 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuleBritannia Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha Pete..... have just had a scan through that post. Cracking stuff mate... cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooloovoo Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha Like in post 2? Yes, your hand is a decent starting hand in PLO, especially shorthanded. You are likely to have the best hand on the flop, and want your opponents to pay the maximum to draw out on you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubermonkey1 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha yeah good post pete:ok i agree with hooloo position is very important in pl omaha but more because of being able to control the pot size better. a good example is a hand where you hit a fh but its on the low side. for instance the board is j q q 7 3 and you hold 7s if it was holdem i doubt many players would be trying to keep it small and would be raising /reraising , in pl omaha you should be trying to keep the pot relatively small by check calling if you meet much resistance. i see way to many players donk out of a tourney or lose a buy in by forgeting just how many hands have them beat;) qs,js qj q7 q3 all have you beat,doesnt sound like a lot of hands but in omaha its very possible someone will have one of them,after all what else are they going to be playing apart from maybe 3s its the same sort of idea for k/q high flushes,you should keep the pot small because you get too much of your stack in to get out again:ok with position you have greater control of this and of course it works the other way round,if you have the nuts you can try to build the pot nicely so you can get as much money in as possible giving you the chance to make more on later streets. it's also a good idea to keep an eye out for players that play as if it's holdem;) anyone betting top pair heavily on the flop is usually pretty easy to take advantage of,usually the same players will call big bets with 2 pair on the river as well or of course do one of the above and overvalue 2nd 3rd nut hands. good luck rb:hope omaha can be loads of fun but also frustrating,so dont be suprised when your aces full gets beat by quads:eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuleBritannia Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha What does (No DP) mean on the tables? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuleBritannia Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha Sorry....I think I worked out the bit above.... Does it mean No Disconnection Protection? and I have another question. You buy into a table (only playing 1 table) with $2. When is a good time to stand up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samba_SamPa Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha Sorry....I think I worked out the bit above.... Does it mean No Disconnection Protection? and I have another question. You buy into a table (only playing 1 table) with $2. When is a good time to stand up? Yes And the best time to leave any table is when you think the other players there are better than you are. If you're crushing them why leave so long as they're there :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooloovoo Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha When is a good time to stand up? You should leave the table when: * You feel that you no longer play your best game (because you're tired, angry and so on) or * You can't identify who's the fish There is really no point in leaving just because you have multiplied your buy-in with a factor of x. You want to have (one of) the largest stacks, so you can get maximum advantage of the fact that you are better than the average player at that particular table. "It's all one big session", as someone stated, and it's very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha That's decent article Samba posted but it states "position is less important in omaha than holdem" I disagree with that and say it's even more important. Out of position in omaha can get you into all sorts of trouble and you can be put to very difficult decisions especially with bad aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooloovoo Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha The only reason to play hands out of position in omaha is to stimulate action, so you can make more money when in position :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samba_SamPa Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha That's decent article Samba posted but it states "position is less important in omaha than holdem" I disagree with that and say it's even more important. Out of position in omaha can get you into all sorts of trouble and you can be put to very difficult decisions especially with bad aces. Yeah, you can tell that the thread was picked from various sources, as the very first sentence states: Pot-Limit Omaha centers on two things: building the nut hand, and position. Then laters says it isn't as important as in Holdem :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuleBritannia Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha Yes And the best time to leave any table is when you think the other players there are better than you are. If you're crushing them why leave so long as they're there :ok I was playing earlier, bought in for $2, and had the intention of hanging about for an hour (or until the $2 was gone, didn't want to reload). I was very passive, only really losing blinds and not playing for a while as I was pretty much watching the others. Went down to $1.60 whilst doing this.... $0.05/$0.10 games (6 max table). Noticed one guy and he was incredibly weak. Although he had bought in for $10. He had 4 tables on the go, all of which he had bought in @ $10 but was playing EVERY hand, regardless of position, size of pot etc..... he must have reloaded my table alone, 5 times. I only got involved with him twice though, as I found he was so erratic I couldnt possibly be sure I had him beat. So, after accumulating $9.24 (profit of $7.24) not a lot I know..... I decided to stand up. Afterwards I had a feeling of, did that look bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samba_SamPa Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Re: Pot Limit Omaha The only thing to worry about is how you're playing - and as you made 72 BBs profit in a short time by identifying and exploiting the table fish then that wasn't worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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