Woodie Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Other guy is a sit out and 5 chips left would you fold here not just push? he's been raising every hand I've been card dead once down to 3 of us PokerStars Game #24503735031: Tournament #137885441, $12.00+$1.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/02/01 15:38:36 ET Table '137885441 1' 6-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 2: floborba (7917 in chips) Seat 4: woodiejr (1078 in chips) Seat 6: George Hyde (5 in chips) is sitting out floborba: posts small blind 50 woodiejr: posts big blind 100 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to woodiejr [Ad Ks] George Hyde: folds floborba: raises 100 to 200 woodiejr: raises 878 to 1078 and is all-in floborba: calls 878 *** FLOP *** [9c Th 4d] *** TURN *** [9c Th 4d] [8h] *** RIVER *** [9c Th 4d 8h] [Jc] *** SHOW DOWN *** floborba: shows [5s 5d] (a pair of Fives) woodiejr: shows [Ad Ks] (high card Ace) floborba collected 2156 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 2156 | Rake 0 Board [9c Th 4d 8h Jc] Seat 2: floborba (small blind) showed [5s 5d] and won (2156) with a pair of Fives Seat 4: woodiejr (big blind) showed [Ad Ks] and lost with high card Ace Seat 6: George Hyde (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Posted February 1, 2009 Author Share Posted February 1, 2009 Re: Fold in this spot? Other guy cashes with 5 chips left LAMO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooloovoo Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Re: Fold in this spot? That's an instant fold, you are almost guaranteed to cash if you fold here. Let the 5-chipper be eliminated and then fight aggressively for 1st place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyhornet Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Re: Fold in this spot? Yep, insta fold if two get paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy the punter Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Re: Fold in this spot? The raise is incorrect here due to the other player with 5 chips, also given his stack it's almost impossible to get him off. So you should only be raising with a big pair I'd say. You could call, as it's only 100 more and see if you hit, given his hand it probably would've been checked down anyway. If you miss you can pass anyway. For me the above applies even if 1-2-3 get paid. You cannot fail to get 2nd place here and that must be in the bag before you try and win the whole thing. He is one lucky f*cker though to cash with 5. :@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Re: Fold in this spot? an example for the folding AA thread, as this is a classic example of where folding any cards is correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dico Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Re: Fold in this spot? an example for the folding AA thread' date=' as this is a classic example of where folding any cards is correct[/quote'] no chance i would fold AA here, if you want to win you have to play it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioArca Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Re: Fold in this spot? AA or KK I push, just about everything else I wait for mr 5 chips to bust out. Get the cash first..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooloovoo Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Re: Fold in this spot? AA or KK I push' date=' just about everything else I wait for mr 5 chips to bust out. Get the cash first.....[/quote'] Don't know the exact numbers, but it must be extremely large negative EV to get involved with ATC in this spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 Re: Fold in this spot? I see where you guys are coming from when you say just fold etc but this guy been raising every hand and I must of 3 bet him 4 times when 3 handed and he snap folded. Maybe I'm a dipstick for pushing with ak in this spot but I think if I was in same situation again I's proberly play it the same maybe that's just me and that play prob is -ev but I don't wanna be bleeding chips going into heads up rather take a chance and have a stack to be able to play with...?>?!!?><><>?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgc100969 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Re: Fold in this spot? its a call and see if u hit or a fold but not an all in as he is certain to call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfaz Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Re: Fold in this spot? i think you just have to fold, even though you are playing to win, risking it here is bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy the punter Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Re: Fold in this spot? I see where you guys are coming from when you say just fold etc but this guy been raising every hand and I must of 3 bet him 4 times when 3 handed and he snap folded. Maybe I'm a dipstick for pushing with ak in this spot but I think if I was in same situation again I's proberly play it the same maybe that's just me and that play prob is -ev but I don't wanna be bleeding chips going into heads up rather take a chance and have a stack to be able to play with...?>?!!?><><>?? The most important thing is profit, in ANY tourn. Winning the whole thing is secondary. Of course you should not overly damage your chance win by concentrating on survival, you have to prioritise it correctly. I think in this instance you must concentrate on getting 2nd place, even if you are ALREADY in the money. Once he has called all of a sudden you're 50/50 to finish 2nd/3rd. Folding you're probably 1/33 to finish at least 2nd. Even if you double up with your AK, you're still odds-on to finish 2nd due to the stacks. I do push with a big pair, although even KK is questionable. :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfaz Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Re: Fold in this spot? It doesn't matter that you have AK, you have to forget about that and think about it in terms of the money you recieve just by folding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpokered Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Re: Fold in this spot? I'd call the 200 raise then shove any ace high/king high flop. If had AA would certainly raise all in every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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