AJ Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I found myself very short at the end of a game last night. Less than half a BB at the end, but still not the smallest stack. These are the last few hands. With 5 hands to go, it occurs to me, that I'm going to be forced all in on my next blind, but that the Antes will put him all in at the same time. Should I have made a move or not ? I'll leave off the final hand for now *********** # 5 ************** PokerStars Game #24051928024: Tournament #135003382, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2009/01/19 3:08:00 ET Table '135003382 1' 10-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: WiscoBo (1560 in chips) Seat 4: asjohnstone (285 in chips) Seat 5: cj19841029 (370 in chips) Seat 7: epicedium (9660 in chips) Seat 9: VRG_MX (1375 in chips) Seat 10: eurisco (1750 in chips) WiscoBo: posts the ante 40 asjohnstone: posts the ante 40 cj19841029: posts the ante 40 epicedium: posts the ante 40 VRG_MX: posts the ante 40 eurisco: posts the ante 40 cj19841029: posts small blind 200 epicedium: posts big blind 400 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to asjohnstone [Th 6s] VRG_MX: folds eurisco: folds WiscoBo: calls 400 asjohnstone: folds cj19841029: folds epicedium: checks *** FLOP *** [2s Td 4c] epicedium: checks WiscoBo: checks *** TURN *** [2s Td 4c] [Kc] epicedium: checks WiscoBo: checks *** RIVER *** [2s Td 4c Kc] [Kh] epicedium: checks WiscoBo: checks *** SHOW DOWN *** epicedium: shows [Qd 5s] (a pair of Kings) WiscoBo: shows [7d Ad] (a pair of Kings - Ace kicker) WiscoBo collected 1240 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 1240 | Rake 0 Board [2s Td 4c Kc Kh] Seat 1: WiscoBo showed [7d Ad] and won (1240) with a pair of Kings Seat 4: asjohnstone (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: cj19841029 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 7: epicedium (big blind) showed [Qd 5s] and lost with a pair of Kings Seat 9: VRG_MX folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 10: eurisco folded before Flop (didn't bet) *********** # 4 ************** PokerStars Game #24051935528: Tournament #135003382, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2009/01/19 3:08:38 ET Table '135003382 1' 10-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: WiscoBo (2360 in chips) Seat 4: asjohnstone (245 in chips) Seat 5: cj19841029 (130 in chips) Seat 7: epicedium (9220 in chips) Seat 9: VRG_MX (1335 in chips) Seat 10: eurisco (1710 in chips) WiscoBo: posts the ante 40 asjohnstone: posts the ante 40 cj19841029: posts the ante 40 epicedium: posts the ante 40 VRG_MX: posts the ante 40 eurisco: posts the ante 40 epicedium: posts small blind 200 VRG_MX: posts big blind 400 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to asjohnstone [9s Jc] eurisco: folds WiscoBo: folds asjohnstone: folds cj19841029: folds epicedium: raises 8780 to 9180 and is all-in VRG_MX: folds Uncalled bet (8780) returned to epicedium epicedium collected 1040 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 1040 | Rake 0 Seat 1: WiscoBo folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: asjohnstone folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: cj19841029 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: epicedium (small blind) collected (1040) Seat 9: VRG_MX (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 10: eurisco folded before Flop (didn't bet) *********** # 3 ************** PokerStars Game #24051939740: Tournament #135003382, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2009/01/19 3:08:59 ET Table '135003382 1' 10-max Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: WiscoBo (2320 in chips) Seat 4: asjohnstone (205 in chips) Seat 5: cj19841029 (90 in chips) Seat 7: epicedium (9820 in chips) Seat 9: VRG_MX (895 in chips) Seat 10: eurisco (1670 in chips) WiscoBo: posts the ante 40 asjohnstone: posts the ante 40 cj19841029: posts the ante 40 epicedium: posts the ante 40 VRG_MX: posts the ante 40 eurisco: posts the ante 40 VRG_MX: posts small blind 200 eurisco: posts big blind 400 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to asjohnstone [6h Jd] WiscoBo: folds asjohnstone: folds cj19841029: folds epicedium: folds VRG_MX: folds Uncalled bet (200) returned to eurisco eurisco collected 640 from pot eurisco: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 640 | Rake 0 Seat 1: WiscoBo folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: asjohnstone folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: cj19841029 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: epicedium (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: VRG_MX (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 10: eurisco (big blind) collected (640) *********** # 2 ************** PokerStars Game #24051942534: Tournament #135003382, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2009/01/19 3:09:13 ET Table '135003382 1' 10-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: WiscoBo (2280 in chips) Seat 4: asjohnstone (165 in chips) Seat 5: cj19841029 (50 in chips) Seat 7: epicedium (9780 in chips) Seat 9: VRG_MX (655 in chips) Seat 10: eurisco (2070 in chips) WiscoBo: posts the ante 40 asjohnstone: posts the ante 40 cj19841029: posts the ante 40 epicedium: posts the ante 40 VRG_MX: posts the ante 40 eurisco: posts the ante 40 eurisco: posts small blind 200 WiscoBo: posts big blind 400 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to asjohnstone [9d 7d] asjohnstone: folds cj19841029: folds epicedium: folds VRG_MX: folds eurisco: folds Uncalled bet (200) returned to WiscoBo WiscoBo collected 640 from pot WiscoBo: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 640 | Rake 0 Seat 1: WiscoBo (big blind) collected (640) Seat 4: asjohnstone folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: cj19841029 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: epicedium folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: VRG_MX (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 10: eurisco (small blind) folded before Flop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Re: DoN Bubble Very Very short Stacked Easy peasy fold.... Next hand, your random hand is 50% if you are heads up (which you wont be) - and you are far far more than 50% against him with others in the hand to take him on too - fold and you're 80-90% to win next hand. Call this hand and you're against a multitude of players in all probability and you have equity if you are lucky in the region of 25% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyhornet Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Re: DoN Bubble Very Very short Stacked Yep, I agree with GaF, fold all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Re: DoN Bubble Very Very short Stacked I don't think you really had a sensible opportunity to make a move, but in any case: Next hand, the worst that can happen for you is that it's played 3-handed. In that case, ignoring split pots, you are 67% to cash right there, and you have small extra chances if the short stack wins and you're second. More likely, some of the other players will put in 400 chips and it's going to be a multi-way pot, checked down, in which case you're even more likely to cash right there. So I think you need a very good reason to get involved in the previous hands. A more interesting question is what the real short stack should play in the previous hands? If he can win a pot, then he survives until after you're all-in on the BB. On the second hand he should probably put his chips in with a good hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 Re: DoN Bubble Very Very short Stacked A more interesting question is what the real short stack should play in the previous hands? If he can win a pot, then he survives until after you're all-in on the BB. On the second hand he should probably put his chips in with a good hand. I think he should have pushed in the first hand where he was on the small blind. Perhaps he didn't take into account the antes correctly though he could wait until I was in the BB first :unsure Slightly different question, if at any point he'd went in, with a multiway pot, should I have called any two cards in an attempt to move the odds against him by even a couple of percentage points. Let's say we're playing cards up and he pushes with AA, and get three callers, would it be correct for me to call him with 72o ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Re: DoN Bubble Very Very short Stacked Let's say we're playing cards up and he pushes with AA, and get three callers, would it be correct for me to call him with 72o ?? Well, you always act before him, so you wouldn't get the chance. :tongue2 But that aside, my first instinct was that it would probably make so little difference to his chance of winning, that it wouldn't make up for giving up the chance of surviving as the small stack if he does win. However, it then occurred to me that another benefit of calling is that if you come second to him, then (depending on the chip stacks at the time) that puts you in a significantly better position than folding. I still doubt it's worth it with 72o, but I could be wrong, I haven't looked at any numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfaz Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Re: DoN Bubble Very Very short Stacked yeah, fold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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