teaulc Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 i am seriously in need of a new laptop,and i am going to see if i can do it this way,i have already started this and yes i know my starting bankroll is not the way most of you would do it but i am not like most of you :tongue2 playing this on Virgin and started off with €11. i am playing the €5.50 coolers with the odd €10+€1. as i am not able to play most nights this could take a little while :dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldric Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop Good luck... :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaulc Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop 2.11/24/2008 9:24 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 3.11/24/2008 8:39 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 2/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 4.11/24/2008 7:27 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 6/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.00 5.11/23/2008 9:41 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 6.11/23/2008 5:49 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 7.11/22/2008 10:02 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 8.11/22/2008 9:28 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 7/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.00 9.11/22/2008 6:07 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 14.12$ 28.000h00m$ 13.88$ 0.00 10.11/22/2008 5:46 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 8/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop Good luck Al :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop Good luck matey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop Good luck. :ok Is nobody playing proper poker any more? :eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaulc Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop thanks,as you can see i am using yesterdays exchange rate and will stick with that i think unless it drastically changes. on a personal note i think i need these these games to get my confidence back after a couple of disasterous days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaulc Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop Good luck. :ok Is nobody playing proper poker any more? :eyes i can see what your saying,but in the long run we play to make money no matter how,now if the foreign fish wish to donate who are we to refuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaulc Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop DateLocationGame (Limit)PlaceBuy InCashoutHoursReturnRate/HrNote1.11/24/2008 10:10 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 4/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 2.11/24/2008 9:24 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 3.11/24/2008 8:39 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 2/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 4.11/24/2008 7:27 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 6/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.00 5.11/23/2008 9:41 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 6.11/23/2008 5:49 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 7.11/22/2008 10:02 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 8.11/22/2008 9:28 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 7/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.00 9.11/22/2008 6:07 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 14.12$ 28.000h00m$ 13.88$ 0.00 10.11/22/2008 5:46 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 8/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.00Totals:$ 77.66$ 112.000h 0m$ 34.34$ 0.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaulc Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop Tournament Type (#)ReturnITM%ROIAvg Finishsit n go (11)$ 41.2872.748.73%5.1DateLocationGame (Limit)PlaceBuy InCashoutHoursReturnRate/HrNote1.11/24/2008 10:53 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 4/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 2.11/24/2008 10:10 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 4/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 3.11/24/2008 9:24 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 4.11/24/2008 8:39 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 2/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 5.11/24/2008 7:27 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 6/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.00 6.11/23/2008 9:41 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 7.11/23/2008 5:49 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 8.11/22/2008 10:02 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 9.11/22/2008 9:28 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 7/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.00 10.11/22/2008 6:07 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 14.12$ 28.000h00m$ 13.88$ 0.00 11.11/22/2008 5:46 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 8/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.00 Totals:$ 84.72$ 126.000h 0m$ 41.28$ 0.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samba_SamPa Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop Solid start mate, :hope for the coming games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaulc Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop not a great night tonight,lowest hands seemed to be winning most of the time Tournament Type (#) Return ITM% ROI Avg Finish sit n go (17)$ 26.8058.818.98%5.4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop Good luck. :ok Is nobody playing proper poker any more? :eyes Not really, Coolers are fun but will destroy your game longer term. There is no concept of post flop play or slow play. but it's easy to make some money from them so i'm playing them for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop Coolers are fun They are? :unsure :loon Whilst I know what you're saying about "destroying your game" (and to an extent agree) - I also think they're great for everyone to play for a while (until they understand the dynamics of the game pretty well) as part of a solid and rounded poker education.... (as are most, if not all, of the STT variations) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaulc Posted November 30, 2008 Author Share Posted November 30, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop okay 20 coolers gone and it is going in the right direction at least :) Tournament Type (#)ReturnITM%ROIAvg FinishSIT n GO(20)$ 47.6265.029.33%5.11.11/30/2008 9:26 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 3/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.002.11/30/2008 1:18 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.003.11/28/2008 7:01 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 2/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.004.11/26/2008 9:49 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 7/10$ 14.12$ 0.000h00m$( 14.12)$ 0.005.11/26/2008 9:08 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 1/10$ 14.12$ 28.000h00m$ 13.88$ 0.006.11/26/2008 7:55 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 7/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.007.11/26/2008 7:09 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.008.11/26/2008 6:19 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 6/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.009.11/26/2008 6:14 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 10/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.0010.11/24/2008 10:53 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 4/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.0011.11/24/2008 10:10 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 4/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.0012.11/24/2008 9:24 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.0013.11/24/2008 8:39 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 2/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.0014.11/24/2008 7:27 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 6/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.0015.11/23/2008 9:41 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.0016.11/23/2008 5:49 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.0017.11/22/2008 10:02 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.0018.11/22/2008 9:28 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 7/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.0019.11/22/2008 6:07 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 5/10$ 14.12$ 28.000h00m$ 13.88$ 0.0020.11/22/2008 5:46 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 8/10$ 7.06$ 0.000h00m$( 7.06)$ 0.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop what's the rake here ? Struggling to work it out. 6c on a $7 tourney, that's less than 1% Is it really that low :unsure Are these turbos ? If it's a 1% rake, i'm moving over there. Rake destroys ROI, that's why I don't understand people that pay 10% on Boss games. The 4% on stars in ok, but to pay 75% less is compelling. As an example I've played 128 games on stars at 20c rake paying $25.60, with this structure I'd be $19 better off. Over the longer term esp at higher levels this is huge well done btw, 65% is a good ITM figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop Not really, Coolers are fun but will destroy your game longer term. There is no concept of post flop play or slow play. There isn't? and there is in a standard STT? I think coolers are essentially the same as standard STT's, very tight early and then shove when necessary later - I don't see the difference really except you don't need to go for first place? An what 'game' will they destroy? if you only play coolers/STT they I don't see that. I do understand it better if you play MTT's and cash as well, but I can't see how they will destroy anything? YMMV of course Damo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaulc Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop what's the rake here ? Struggling to work it out. 6c on a $7 tourney, that's less than 1% Is it really that low :unsure Are these turbos ? If it's a 1% rake, i'm moving over there. Rake destroys ROI, that's why I don't understand people that pay 10% on Boss games. The 4% on stars in ok, but to pay 75% less is compelling. As an example I've played 128 games on stars at 20c rake paying $25.60, with this structure I'd be $19 better off. Over the longer term esp at higher levels this is huge well done btw, 65% is a good ITM figure thanks AJ, the buy-ins are €5.50 but changed to dollars exchange rate (0.776) so this may look good but tbh it is 10% rake. no they are not turbos but cant remember the blinds rate.:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop Rake destroys ROI' date=' that's why I don't understand people that pay 10% on Boss games. The 4% on stars in ok, but to pay 75% less is compelling.[/quote'] It's no good paying less rake if you're not beating the game :wall :wall :wall :sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop There isn't? and there is in a standard STT? I think coolers are essentially the same as standard STT's, very tight early and then shove when necessary later - I don't see the difference really except you don't need to go for first place? An what 'game' will they destroy? if you only play coolers/STT they I don't see that. I do understand it better if you play MTT's and cash as well, but I can't see how they will destroy anything? YMMV of course Damo They will destroy (even your sng) your game because they have a flat payout structure that is unique in poker. The thing that makes a huge difference in SnG ROI is your post bubble play, turning thirds into seconds and seconds in firsts. You'll lose that skill here. In fact it's wrong to aquire chips at some stages, the risk vs reward equation is different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop thanks AJ, the buy-ins are €5.50 but changed to dollars exchange rate (0.776) so this may look good but tbh it is 10% rake. no they are not turbos but cant remember the blinds rate.:ok Then all your results are all wrong, buy-in should be $7.70, not $7.07 :unsure lower rake can turn losers into winners, you shoudl murder the low level coolers on Stars GaF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaulc Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop Then all your results are all wrong, buy-in should be $7.70, not $7.07 :unsure lower rake can turn losers into winners, you shoudl murder the low level coolers on Stars GaF not wrong,you have to change the €5.50 to $ to get the rate on xe.com the rate is as follows:Live rates at 2008.12.01 18:55:44 UTC 5.50 EUR = 6.95753 USD Euro United States Dollars 1 EUR = 1.26501 USD 1 USD = 0.790510 EUR i am working on the rate i 1st started on as there wont be a great difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop you shoudl murder the low level coolers on Stars GaF But I wasnt - and not just the results, I did find it significantly harder - I played 169 games (I know it's not mathmatically significant, but it's enough to give me an idea...) on stars overall and results (after rake) were considerably worse Coolers Progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop Sorry, but it doesn't seem to add up to me. if they are 5euro + .50 tourneys then you've correctly recorded $7.00 as the stake, but that means that the return can't be $14. Ten Euro return works out at 10 * 1.26501 = $12.65, not the $14 return you've shown. You are doing your recording with zero rake, it don't work out. With a 10% rake, and a 65% ITM your true ROI is 18%, not the 29.33% you claim in post 15. I'm not knocking your results at all, is a good figure but what you record appears incorrect :ok not wrong,you have to change the €5.50 to $ to get the rate on xe.com the rate is as follows:Live rates at 2008.12.01 18:55:44 UTC 5.50 EUR = 6.95753 USD Euro United States Dollars 1 EUR = 1.26501 USD1 USD = 0.790510 EUR i am working on the rate i 1st started on as there wont be a great difference 1.11/30/2008 9:26 PM 1.11/30/2008 9:26 PM Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 3/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00Virgin PokerHold 'em Tourny (Other) 3/10$ 7.06$ 14.000h00m$ 6.94$ 0.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaulc Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop hmmm okay i will have a look at my spreadsheet,,know where your coming from though :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaulc Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop right,i think i know where i went wrong but need confirmation as i aint great at maths,,the exchange rate gave me €5.50 = $7.06 so you can see where i went wrong i think,so what would the €10 return be in $ ?? usng the same exchange rate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop so what would the €10 return be in $ ?? usng the same exchange rate $12.84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaulc Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop ok ty trev,,will re-do :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop If you're only playing these on Boss, wouldn't it be less confusing to keep your records in euros? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Teaulc`s cooler challenge for a new laptop Al - if you're only playing coolers on Boss - why not record keep it simple and record your results in Euros, then you dont need to exchange.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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