Jaded Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Hi all, am determined to get to grips with these bloody games - unsure about a couple of decisions I made here, so I'm going to post up the key hands until people lose interest or I start forgetting... first six are standard folds, what should I do here? (10 seater $5.20 turbo game, top 5 get $10 each) 1: 5th position, fold QTo 2: 4th position, fold K4o to a min raise from 2nd. 3: 3rd position, fold J4s 4: 2nd position, fold K3s 5: UTG, fold 97o 6: BB, fold Q5 post-flop to a bet of 90 into a 135 pot. 7: SB, hand below: *********** # 7 ************** PokerStars Game #21618155501: Tournament #117370617, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/10/30 12:21:00 ET Table '117370617 1' 10-max Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: alanrossoni (1260 in chips) Seat 2: antoinebalbo (1290 in chips) Seat 3: dutch-n00b (1510 in chips) Seat 4: fee6 (1570 in chips) Seat 5: GLabine (1470 in chips) Seat 6: yarib (1460 in chips) Seat 7: Elden1982 (1450 in chips) Seat 8: JadedJ (1470 in chips) Seat 9: okanagan_bc (1970 in chips) Seat 10: 1-NuffSed-1 (1550 in chips) JadedJ: posts small blind 15 okanagan_bc: posts big blind 30 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to JadedJ [Kc Ah] 1-NuffSed-1: folds alanrossoni: folds antoinebalbo: folds dutch-n00b: raises 60 to 90 fee6: folds GLabine: folds yarib: folds Elden1982: folds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! For similar reasons to those posted in the other thread, I think I fold AKo here :unsure You're out of position, someone has shown strength, the pot is small. I'm definitely not reraising, and calling worries me as it's tough to get away from (yet easy to be pushed off with a worse hand) if you hit top pair top kicker - you just wont have, post flop, a hand often enough that you can feel confident enough about to push hard enough to get paid off.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! Sidetrack away from the hand history - are coolers the game for you JJ? Above all, they require patience and discipline, and without meaning to sound too rude :$ they're not what I consider your primary qualities on the poker table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! I'm folding. Dont need to get involved too early in the tourny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! I agree with GaF and Staffy. It takes something pretty unusual for me to play a hand before the 50/100 blind level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! Sidetrack away from the hand history - are coolers the game for you JJ? Above all' date=' they require patience and discipline, and without meaning to sound too rude :$ they're not what I consider your primary qualities on the poker table.[/quote'] Thanks GaF?, that was hugely tactful :) Not sure if they're the game for me but willing to give them a try. In fact, to show just how patient I can be, I'll quickly reveal what I did in the above hand - I folded!! :lol:lol:lol Carrying on (but if anyone else wants to comment on hand 7, feel free!) BLINDS UP TO 50/25/5 ANTES Hand 8: 8th position, fold 42s Hand 9: 7th position, fold 75o Hand 10: 6th position, fold Q6s Hand 11: 5th position, fold 73o Hand 12: 4rd position, fold J8o Hand 13: 3rd position, fold 64s Hand 14: 2nd position, fold 63o Hand 15: UTG, fold 86o BLINDS UP TO 100/50/10 ANTES Hand 16: Fold 65o to a shove from 3rd. Hand 17: SB, hand below: *********** # 17 ************** PokerStars Game #21618325662: Tournament #117370617, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/10/30 12:29:44 ET Table '117370617 1' 10-max Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: alanrossoni (1290 in chips) Seat 3: dutch-n00b (1680 in chips) Seat 4: fee6 (1840 in chips) Seat 5: GLabine (2495 in chips) Seat 6: yarib (1180 in chips) Seat 7: Elden1982 (1685 in chips) Seat 8: JadedJ (1315 in chips) Seat 9: okanagan_bc (1885 in chips) Seat 10: 1-NuffSed-1 (1630 in chips) alanrossoni: posts the ante 10 dutch-n00b: posts the ante 10 fee6: posts the ante 10 GLabine: posts the ante 10 yarib: posts the ante 10 Elden1982: posts the ante 10 JadedJ: posts the ante 10 okanagan_bc: posts the ante 10 1-NuffSed-1: posts the ante 10 JadedJ: posts small blind 50 okanagan_bc: posts big blind 100 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to JadedJ [Ac 5c] 1-NuffSed-1: folds alanrossoni: folds dutch-n00b: folds fee6: folds GLabine: folds yarib: folds Elden1982: folds Should I try to steal the big blind, limp, or throw the hand away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! Im all in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! With 9 players left at this stage, with the antes, and with one of the shorter stacks,I'd go all-in. If it were down to 6 or 7 players, I'd probably fold. I'm pretty sure limping is the worst option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! I didn't shove, but I raised to 400 and chased him out of the hand with that. Next few... Hand 18: 7th position, fold 84o to an all-in. Hand 19: 6th position, fold 98o. Hand 20: 5th position, fold 84o Hand 21: 4th position, fold KTo to a min raise from 3rd. Hand 22: See below *********** # 22 ************** PokerStars Game #21618390620: Tournament #117370617, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/10/30 12:33:11 ET Table '117370617 1' 10-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: alanrossoni (2540 in chips) Seat 3: dutch-n00b (1960 in chips) Seat 4: fee6 (1690 in chips) is sitting out Seat 5: GLabine (2445 in chips) Seat 6: yarib (1130 in chips) Seat 7: Elden1982 (1875 in chips) Seat 8: JadedJ (1455 in chips) Seat 9: okanagan_bc (1685 in chips) Seat 10: 1-NuffSed-1 (220 in chips) alanrossoni: posts the ante 10 dutch-n00b: posts the ante 10 fee6: posts the ante 10 GLabine: posts the ante 10 yarib: posts the ante 10 Elden1982: posts the ante 10 JadedJ: posts the ante 10 okanagan_bc: posts the ante 10 1-NuffSed-1: posts the ante 10 fee6: posts small blind 50 GLabine: posts big blind 100 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to JadedJ [8c 8h] yarib: folds Elden1982: raises 200 to 300 Anything doing here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! let him have it. Happy to act first in position but not calling raises just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! Hi all, am determined to get to grips with these bloody games - *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to JadedJ [Kc Ah] dutch-n00b: raises 60 to 90 FOLD - yes I know this sounds silly but you are OOP with one more person to act PF and withouting hitting the nuts you have no idea how strong your hand is on the flop. Damo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! Should I try to steal the big blind' date=' limp, or throw the hand away?[/quote'] I would raise here - you have folded hand after hand and if the BB has paid any amount of interest he will see that - make it 300-350 to go. Damo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! I Anything doing here? I would fold again, unless villian had been raising a few. Problem is position again - too many players left to act behind you who might have better than 88 if you shove. tricky this one Damo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! Thanks guys... I actually called; looking back I think it was too loose. What to do now, though? *********** # 22 ************** PokerStars Game #21618390620: Tournament #117370617, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/10/30 12:33:11 ET Table '117370617 1' 10-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: alanrossoni (2540 in chips) Seat 3: dutch-n00b (1960 in chips) Seat 4: fee6 (1690 in chips) is sitting out Seat 5: GLabine (2445 in chips) Seat 6: yarib (1130 in chips) Seat 7: Elden1982 (1875 in chips) Seat 8: JadedJ (1455 in chips) Seat 9: okanagan_bc (1685 in chips) Seat 10: 1-NuffSed-1 (220 in chips) alanrossoni: posts the ante 10 dutch-n00b: posts the ante 10 fee6: posts the ante 10 GLabine: posts the ante 10 yarib: posts the ante 10 Elden1982: posts the ante 10 JadedJ: posts the ante 10 okanagan_bc: posts the ante 10 1-NuffSed-1: posts the ante 10 fee6: posts small blind 50 GLabine: posts big blind 100 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to JadedJ [8c 8h] yarib: folds Elden1982: raises 200 to 300 JadedJ: calls 300 okanagan_bc: folds 1-NuffSed-1: folds alanrossoni: folds dutch-n00b: folds fee6: folds GLabine: folds *** FLOP *** [3c 3h 3d] fee6 is connected Elden1982: checks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! Thanks guys... I actually called; looking back I think it was too loose. What to do now, though? *** FLOP *** [3c 3h 3d] fee6 is connected Elden1982: checks shove and hope that when he calls with AJ/55 he doesn't suck out Damo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! Without commenting on this current hand yet...notice they have ante on here...so the ultra tight approach is risky as your stack will dwindle much faster as the blinds increase. So by the time the BB is 400 the ante is going to force players into moves they may not make without antes. In general with these games I'm all-in pre-flop or fold. Trying to play poker will just get you into deep trouble...hence your predicament in this hand. I think I'd be all-in after his check...trapping checks don't seem to happen much in cooler games and I suspect you would get the fold you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! I think I agree that trying to play poker has far too much potential to get me into deep trouble (and that's nothing to do with what type of game or the blinds level, just generally!) but I did here... what should I go for on this turn? *********** # 22 ************** PokerStars Game #21618390620: Tournament #117370617, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/10/30 12:33:11 ET Table '117370617 1' 10-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: alanrossoni (2540 in chips) Seat 3: dutch-n00b (1960 in chips) Seat 4: fee6 (1690 in chips) is sitting out Seat 5: GLabine (2445 in chips) Seat 6: yarib (1130 in chips) Seat 7: Elden1982 (1875 in chips) Seat 8: JadedJ (1455 in chips) Seat 9: okanagan_bc (1685 in chips) Seat 10: 1-NuffSed-1 (220 in chips) alanrossoni: posts the ante 10 dutch-n00b: posts the ante 10 fee6: posts the ante 10 GLabine: posts the ante 10 yarib: posts the ante 10 Elden1982: posts the ante 10 JadedJ: posts the ante 10 okanagan_bc: posts the ante 10 1-NuffSed-1: posts the ante 10 fee6: posts small blind 50 GLabine: posts big blind 100 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to JadedJ [8c 8h] yarib: folds Elden1982: raises 200 to 300 JadedJ: calls 300 okanagan_bc: folds 1-NuffSed-1: folds alanrossoni: folds dutch-n00b: folds fee6: folds GLabine: folds *** FLOP *** [3c 3h 3d] fee6 is connected Elden1982: checks JadedJ: bets 300 Elden1982: calls 300 *** TURN *** [3c 3h 3d] [Ah] fee6 has returned Elden1982: checks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! I think I agree that trying to play poker has far too much potential to get me into deep trouble (and that's nothing to do with what type of game or the blinds level, just generally!) but I did ere... what should I go for on this turn? reboot your computer and start again? :eyes (;)) Just check and fold the river when he bets. This seems to be a very poorly played hand JJ, though it makes good reading on not what to do so thanks for posting as hopefully it generates discussion on a better strategy for playing this type of hand in this situation :ok Damo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! what should I go for on this turn? First aid box I think...you're not getting away without a bad injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! Okay, we've established I screwed this one up! 2240 pot with 400 to call - worth a look? *********** # 22 ************** PokerStars Game #21618390620: Tournament #117370617, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/10/30 12:33:11 ET Table '117370617 1' 10-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: alanrossoni (2540 in chips) Seat 3: dutch-n00b (1960 in chips) Seat 4: fee6 (1690 in chips) is sitting out Seat 5: GLabine (2445 in chips) Seat 6: yarib (1130 in chips) Seat 7: Elden1982 (1875 in chips) Seat 8: JadedJ (1455 in chips) Seat 9: okanagan_bc (1685 in chips) Seat 10: 1-NuffSed-1 (220 in chips) alanrossoni: posts the ante 10 dutch-n00b: posts the ante 10 fee6: posts the ante 10 GLabine: posts the ante 10 yarib: posts the ante 10 Elden1982: posts the ante 10 JadedJ: posts the ante 10 okanagan_bc: posts the ante 10 1-NuffSed-1: posts the ante 10 fee6: posts small blind 50 GLabine: posts big blind 100 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to JadedJ [8c 8h] yarib: folds Elden1982: raises 200 to 300 JadedJ: calls 300 okanagan_bc: folds 1-NuffSed-1: folds alanrossoni: folds dutch-n00b: folds fee6: folds GLabine: folds *** FLOP *** [3c 3h 3d] fee6 is connected Elden1982: checks JadedJ: bets 300 Elden1982: calls 300 *** TURN *** [3c 3h 3d] [Ah] fee6 has returned Elden1982: checks JadedJ: checks *** RIVER *** [3c 3h 3d Ah] [5d] Elden1982: bets 400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! A bit of absolutely amateurish hand analysis: Initial raise implies a good Ace or medium/low pair...would have expected a big push with a higher pair. The check when the Ace shows, then only a small bet on the river rules out an Ace. :unsure So guessing he has a smallish pair. 2 to 9 55 would be cruel...but you beat all but 55 and 99, guess it's worth a look. :unsure ps. this is why I do not usually comment on hand histories...it's all sort of out of context and you cannot really appreciate the exact situation as it was originally played out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! Cheers Dodger, good to hear your thoughts (and others earlier.) This is how it panned out... *********** # 22 ************** PokerStars Game #21618390620: Tournament #117370617, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/10/30 12:33:11 ET Table '117370617 1' 10-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: alanrossoni (2540 in chips) Seat 3: dutch-n00b (1960 in chips) Seat 4: fee6 (1690 in chips) is sitting out Seat 5: GLabine (2445 in chips) Seat 6: yarib (1130 in chips) Seat 7: Elden1982 (1875 in chips) Seat 8: JadedJ (1455 in chips) Seat 9: okanagan_bc (1685 in chips) Seat 10: 1-NuffSed-1 (220 in chips) alanrossoni: posts the ante 10 dutch-n00b: posts the ante 10 fee6: posts the ante 10 GLabine: posts the ante 10 yarib: posts the ante 10 Elden1982: posts the ante 10 JadedJ: posts the ante 10 okanagan_bc: posts the ante 10 1-NuffSed-1: posts the ante 10 fee6: posts small blind 50 GLabine: posts big blind 100 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to JadedJ [8c 8h] yarib: folds Elden1982: raises 200 to 300 JadedJ: calls 300 okanagan_bc: folds 1-NuffSed-1: folds alanrossoni: folds dutch-n00b: folds fee6: folds GLabine: folds *** FLOP *** [3c 3h 3d] fee6 is connected Elden1982: checks JadedJ: bets 300 Elden1982: calls 300 *** TURN *** [3c 3h 3d] [Ah] fee6 has returned Elden1982: checks JadedJ: checks *** RIVER *** [3c 3h 3d Ah] [5d] Elden1982: bets 400 JadedJ: calls 400 *** SHOW DOWN *** Elden1982: shows [Qd Kd] (three of a kind, Threes) JadedJ: shows [8c 8h] (a full house, Threes full of Eights) JadedJ collected 2240 from pot So, bad play most of the way - I agree - but thankfully he was even worse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! Hand 23: 2nd position fold 82o Hand 24: See below *********** # 24 ************** PokerStars Game #21618424525: Tournament #117370617, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/10/30 12:35:00 ET Table '117370617 1' 10-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: alanrossoni (2515 in chips) Seat 3: dutch-n00b (1935 in chips) Seat 4: fee6 (1615 in chips) Seat 5: GLabine (2245 in chips) Seat 6: yarib (255 in chips) Seat 7: Elden1982 (1910 in chips) Seat 8: JadedJ (2670 in chips) Seat 9: okanagan_bc (1660 in chips) Seat 10: 1-NuffSed-1 (195 in chips) alanrossoni: posts the ante 15 dutch-n00b: posts the ante 15 fee6: posts the ante 15 GLabine: posts the ante 15 yarib: posts the ante 15 Elden1982: posts the ante 15 JadedJ: posts the ante 15 okanagan_bc: posts the ante 15 1-NuffSed-1: posts the ante 15 yarib: posts small blind 75 Elden1982: posts big blind 150 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to JadedJ [Qc Ad] First to act, worth making a move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted November 1, 2008 Author Share Posted November 1, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! I raised on the above one to 450, got called by the 2 short stacks, and held up to get us down to 8 players. Below hand sees me with pocket J's, 3 to go after me. What should I do? (And GaF?, is the formatting better?) Hand 25: SB, fold 98o to 3 x BB raise. Hand 26: Button, fold 62o to 3 x BB raise. Hand 27: See below *********** # 27 ************** PokerStars Game #21618460244: Tournament #117370617, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/10/30 12:36:53 ET Table '117370617 1' 10-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: alanrossoni (2320 in chips) Seat 3: dutch-n00b (1890 in chips) Seat 4: fee6 (1900 in chips) Seat 5: GLabine (2530 in chips) Seat 7: Elden1982 (1715 in chips) Seat 8: JadedJ (3255 in chips) Seat 9: okanagan_bc (1390 in chips) alanrossoni: posts the ante 15 dutch-n00b: posts the ante 15 fee6: posts the ante 15 GLabine: posts the ante 15 Elden1982: posts the ante 15 JadedJ: posts the ante 15 okanagan_bc: posts the ante 15 alanrossoni: posts small blind 75 dutch-n00b: posts big blind 150 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to JadedJ [:Jc: :Jd:] fee6: folds GLabine: folds Elden1982: folds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! (And GaF?' date=' is the formatting better?)[/quote'] Perfect ;) I fold here - your stack is big enough that you can sit back a bit - you probably dont have to play another hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samba_SamPa Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Re: Cooler Hand History - Talk Me Through! Yeah, go and put the kettle on, make a brew, and read the paper :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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