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This one's a pretty good candidate. :lol On the bubble. The name has been changed to protect the guilty. ***** Hand 1297449003 ***** 200.00/400.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 29 October 2008 15:53:01 Cooler (Real/Tournament) Seat 1: zouglou73 (6192.00) Seat 2: ozzgaar (2732.00) Seat 4: slapdash1 (1910.00) Seat 3: Unknown (0.00) Seat 5: Unknown (0.00) Seat 6: Unknown (0.00) Seat 7: MightyBoab (400.00) Seat 8: granada11 (2196.00) Seat 9: Muppet (1570.00) Seat 10: Unknown (0.00) ozzgaar post SB 200.00 slapdash1 post BB 400.00 ** Deal ** zouglou73 [N/A, N/A] ozzgaar [N/A, N/A] slapdash1 [:2h:, :7h:] MightyBoab [N/A, N/A] granada11 [N/A, N/A] Muppet [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** MightyBoab All-in 400.00 granada11 Fold Muppet All-in 1570.00 zouglou73 Call 1570.00 ozzgaar Fold slapdash1 Fold *** Flop(Board): *** : [:6d:, :Qd:, :4d:] *** Turn(Board): *** : [:6d:, :Qd:, :4d:, :8h:] *** River(Board): *** : [:6d:, :Qd:, :4d:, :8h:, :3s:] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 4140.00 zouglou73 [:Jd:, :Qc:] Pair of queens Win: 2340.00 ozzgaar Fold Win: 0.00 slapdash1 Fold Win: 0.00 MightyBoab [:Qh:, :Kh:] Pair of queens, king kicker Win: 1800.00 granada11 Fold Win: 0.00 Muppet [:9s:, :9d:] Pair of nines Win: 0.00

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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler

I think I must have caught something off GaF. :$ Having posted that, I'm now wondering whether it was quite as bad as I thought. :unsure
no it was a good fold slap:ok if you had 27 os then you shoulda called:lol:lol guy with the 9s should never have pushed surely:unsurewhy no flat call. i can sort of see why the big stack called even with qj ,after all he has a big stack and just needs him or muppet to win. surely optimum strategy in this should be for everyone to flat call a shorty if they go all in and check it down?
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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler I presume you think it's bad because he raised all in rather than flat called? Folding isnt an option is it? (would hate to see the short stack take it down uncontested) I can see arguments for the all in move :unsure

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I presume you think it's bad because he raised all in rather than flat called?
Yes.
I can see arguments for the all in move :unsure
Me too. I still think raising all-in is bad, but not quite as braindead as I thought at the time.
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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler Here's my nomination - I just cannot believe he called here :loon It worked out well for me (I sucked out on him :tongue2) - but what on earth was he thinking? ***** Hand 1300665126 ***** 150.00/300.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 31 October 2008 21:46:40 Cooler (Real /Tournament ) Seat 2: TheSwead (2928.00) Seat 6: totophe287 (1340.00) Seat 7: tomekk23 (3030.00) Seat 8: wilson71 (3017.00) Seat 9: manni.164 (2370.00) Seat 10: pl---GaF (2315.00) pl---GaF post SB 150.00 TheSwead post BB 300.00 ** Deal ** TheSwead [N/A, N/A] totophe287 [N/A, N/A] tomekk23 [N/A, N/A] wilson71 [N/A, N/A] manni.164 [N/A, N/A] pl---GaF [:Kd:, :Tc:] *** Bet Round 1 *** totophe287 Fold tomekk23 Fold wilson71 Fold manni.164 Fold pl---GaF All-in 2315.00 TheSwead Call 2315.00 *** Flop(Board): *** : [Jd, Qc, 3s] *** Turn(Board): *** : [Jd, Qc, 3s, 4d] *** River(Board): *** : [:Jd:, :Qc:, :3s:, :4d:, :Ts:] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 4630.00 TheSwead [:Ah:, :7h:] Highest card ace Win: 0.00 totophe287 Fold Win: 0.00 tomekk23 Fold Win: 0.00 wilson71 Fold Win: 0.00 manni.164 Fold Win: 0.00 pl---GaF [Kd, 10c] Pair of tens Win: 4630.00

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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler I didn't think he could call - I was in 5th place - if the short stack doubled up, I was favourite to bubble - taking an easy 450 chips I thought gave me a big advantage if the short stack doubled up - and I really couldnt see the BB calling me :loon

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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler I'll slip this in here rather than a new thread...Villain1 and 2 (names changed) have been talking french to each other all night! It's either terrible play or chipdumping as Neil_72 was quick to point out. ***** Hand 1303364509 ***** 300.00/600.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 02 November 2008 20:26:18 Cooler (Real /Tournament ) Seat 1: Unknown (0.00) Seat 2: Unknown (0.00) Seat 3: Unknown (0.00) Seat 4: neil_72 (675.00) Seat 5: Gorbag (3230.00) Seat 6: Unknown (0.00) Seat 7: Villain1(4345.00) Seat 8: IOL0wntre (3105.00) Seat 9: PLtheDodge (2550.00) Seat 10: Villain2 (1095.00) PLtheDodge post SB 300.00 Villain2 post BB 600.00 ** Deal ** neil_72 [N/A, N/A] Gorbag [N/A, N/A] Villain1 [N/A, N/A] IOL0wntre [N/A, N/A] PLtheDodge [6h, Ks] Villain2 [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** neil_72 Fold Gorbag Fold Villain1 Call 600.00 IOL0wntre Fold PLtheDodge Fold Villain2 Check *** Flop(Board): *** : [9d, Qc, 7s] *** Bet Round 2 *** Villain2 All-in 495.00 Villain1 Fold *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 1500.00 neil_72 Fold Win: 0.00 Gorbag Fold Win: 0.00 Villain1 Fold Win: 0.00 IOL0wntre Fold Win: 0.00 PLtheDodge Fold Win: 0.00 Villain2 By default Win: 1500.00 ---------- So Villain2 refuses to make what would surely be an instant call no matter what was held ???

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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler Hmm, I'm not sure about that one, Dodger. Assuming no collusion, Villain2 knows that there's a very high chance that he'll be called when he goes all-in, and if he let the hand go, there's a pretty good chance that neil_72 will go out before him, not having enough to cover both blinds. So Villain2's post-flop bet suggests he's actually hit the flop. If Villain1 has completely missed the flop, should he call? Certainly he has an enormous chance of cashing whatever he does. But ethically I think he should do whatever increases his own chance of cashing, however small the marginal percentages are. Is it clear that calling increases his own chances?

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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler To increase his own chances, surely Villain1 should have just shoved pre flop, rather than called? - Villain2 cannot call, except maybe with aces, though that would be debateable - definitely +ve ev for villain1 - of course, the problem is, he probably doesnt know this :loon

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To increase his own chances' date=' surely Villain1 should have just shoved pre flop, rather than called? - Villain2 cannot call, except maybe with aces, though that would be debateable - definitely +ve ev for villain1 - of course, the problem is, he probably doesnt know this :loon[/quote'] I think Villain2 could call more often than just with aces. It's not that unlikely that neil_72 survives another round, in which case Villain2 would be completely crippled if he gave up both his blinds. And for Villain1 to shove, he's relying on the next two players to fold. Which they should do, but he doesn't necessarily know that they're going to. I think it's very unclear how a big stack should play against a short stack on the bubble (except that it's clear that it doesn't matter very much to the big stack). And if I find it confusing, I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that somebody who does something that looks a bit odd is necessarily cheating. Though of course he might be.
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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler One from me :sad This was a stinker right ?

PokerStars Game #21718952154: Tournament #118123633, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2008/11/03 1:48:20 ET Table '118123633 1' 10-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 2: flickrendor (1925 in chips) Seat 4: 11DON'TDOIT (2670 in chips) Seat 5: Mr Cueball (2380 in chips) Seat 6: joemack21_21 (1045 in chips) Seat 7: tknoprisners (2855 in chips) Seat 9: asjohnstone (1910 in chips) Seat 10: pkrbdas20 (2215 in chips) flickrendor: posts the ante 25 11DON'TDOIT: posts the ante 25 Mr Cueball: posts the ante 25 joemack21_21: posts the ante 25 tknoprisners: posts the ante 25 asjohnstone: posts the ante 25 pkrbdas20: posts the ante 25 tknoprisners: posts small blind 125 asjohnstone: posts big blind 250 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to asjohnstone [9h 9s] pkrbdas20: folds flickrendor: folds 11DON'TDOIT: folds Mr Cueball: folds joemack21_21: raises 770 to 1020 and is all-in tknoprisners: folds asjohnstone: calls 770
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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler Re: my chipdumping allegation: OK...at face value maybe this is not a clear case. But if you'd been sat at the table it was very surprising to see the big stack fold. At such a crucial stage even the initial call was a bit peculiar...a single raise putting pressure on the small stacked BB would have been the expected play...unless the intention even at that stage was to pass over a few chips if I folded. I'd love to see what the folder held. Anyway I'll leave it at that...but I'll be watching for these two in the future...although I don't think there was any collusion...but sure it was soft playing.

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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler Do you think Fruitbatking and slapdash1 were in cahoots here? ***** Hand 1305970538 ***** 150.00/300.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 04 November 2008 17:53:48 Cooler (Real/Tournament) Seat 1: pmez11 (660.00) Seat 2: heckmeck (6960.00) Seat 3: Unknown (0.00) Seat 4: slapdash1 (305.00) Seat 5: Fruitbatking (3680.00) Seat 6: Unknown (0.00) Seat 7: Angela2906 (620.00) Seat 8: Unknown (0.00) Seat 9: Unknown (0.00) Seat 10: sml1975 (2775.00) Fruitbatking post SB 150.00 Angela2906 post BB 300.00 ** Deal ** pmez11 [N/A, N/A] heckmeck [N/A, N/A] slapdash1 [:Qh: :As:] Fruitbatking [N/A, N/A] Angela2906 [N/A, N/A] sml1975 [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** sml1975 Fold pmez11 Fold heckmeck Fold slapdash1 All-in 305.00 Fruitbatking Call 305.00 Angela2906 Call 305.00 *** Flop(Board): *** : [:7h: :2d: :4s:] *** Bet Round 2 *** Fruitbatking Check Angela2906 Check *** Turn(Board): *** : [:7h: :2d: :4s: :5c:] *** Bet Round 3 *** Fruitbatking Bet 300.00 Angela2906 Fold *** River(Board): *** : [:7h: :2d: :4s: :5c: :2h:] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 915.00 pmez11 Fold Win: 0.00 heckmeck Fold Win: 0.00 slapdash1 [:Qh: :As:] Pair of deuces, queen kicker Win: 915.00 Fruitbatking [:Ah: :Tc:] Pair of deuces Win: 0.00 Angela2906 Fold Win: 0.00 sml1975 Fold Win: 0.00

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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler Guess who didn't cash in this one. :( ***** Hand 1306616555 ***** 15.00/30.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 04 November 2008 23:30:20 Cooler (Real/Tournament) Seat 1: galopo (2070.00) Seat 2: hennes101 (1230.00) Seat 3: pepino41 (1470.00) Seat 4: slapdash1 (1500.00) Seat 5: tactik (1500.00) Seat 6: easycall4m (1500.00) Seat 7: robinson99 (1500.00) Seat 8: zarzo (1500.00) Seat 9: Dingbat.dk (1230.00) Seat 10: f.c.essuk (1500.00) pepino41 post SB 15.00 slapdash1 post BB 30.00 ** Deal ** galopo [N/A, N/A] hennes101 [N/A, N/A] pepino41 [N/A, N/A] slapdash1 [:Kd: :Kc:] tactik [N/A, N/A] easycall4m [N/A, N/A] robinson99 [N/A, N/A] zarzo [N/A, N/A] Dingbat.dk [N/A, N/A] f.c.essuk [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** tactik Fold easycall4m Call 30.00 robinson99 Fold zarzo Call 30.00 Dingbat.dk Fold f.c.essuk Fold galopo Fold hennes101 Fold pepino41 All-in 1470.00 slapdash1 Call 1470.00 easycall4m Fold zarzo Fold *** Flop(Board): *** : [:6d: :Jc: :5c:] *** Turn(Board): *** : [:6d: :Jc: :5c: :8d:] *** River(Board): *** : [:6d: :Jc: :5c: :8d: :Th:] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 3000.00 galopo Fold Win: 0.00 hennes101 Fold Win: 0.00 pepino41 [:Td: :5s:] Two pair tens and fives Win: 3000.00 slapdash1 [:Kd: :Kc:] Pair of kings Win: 0.00 tactik Fold Win: 0.00 easycall4m Fold Win: 0.00 robinson99 Fold Win: 0.00 zarzo Fold Win: 0.00 Dingbat.dk Fold Win: 0.00 f.c.essuk Fold Win: 0.00 :dude f_coolerm_5e6f5ae.jpg

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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler

You say that... BUT... whose was the worst play? His for shoving' date=' or yours for calling? :ok[/quote'] I've seen him do that before, so I'm pretty sure I have the odds to call, even in a cooler. After all, it's not as though I'm out of it if I lose the hand! :tongue2
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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler Would you be calling with 66 on the bubble? He is in the BB but has no need at all to get involved. ***** Hand 1307071502 ***** 150.00/300.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 05 November 2008 13:20:47 Cooler (Real /Tournament ) Seat 1: Unknown (0.00) Seat 2: newsh (2045.00) Seat 3: daigremont (1750.00) Seat 4: PL-Aldric (2160.00) Seat 5: Unknown (0.00) Seat 6: Hentex74 (2190.00) Seat 7: Unknown (0.00) Seat 8: Unknown (0.00) Seat 9: UtdFan (2130.00) Seat 10: boby22 (4725.00) UtdFan post SB 150.00 boby22 post BB 300.00 ** Deal ** newsh [N/A, N/A] daigremont [N/A, N/A] PL-Aldric [Ad, Ah] Hentex74 [N/A, N/A] UtdFan [N/A, N/A] boby22 [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** newsh Call 300.00 daigremont Fold PL-Aldric All-in 2160.00 Hentex74 Fold UtdFan Fold boby22 Fold newsh All-in 2045.00 *** Flop(Board): *** : [7h, 4s, 6c] *** Turn(Board): *** : [7h, 4s, 6c, 9c] *** River(Board): *** : [7h, 4s, 6c, 9c, 4d] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 4540.00 newsh [6h, 6d] Full house Win: 4540.00 daigremont Fold Win: 0.00 PL-Aldric [Ad, Ah] Two pair aces and fours Win: 0.00 Hentex74 Fold Win: 0.00 UtdFan Fold Win: 0.00 boby22 Fold Win: 0.

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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler

Would you be calling with 66 on the bubble? He is in the BB but has no need at all to get involved.
No way. Even if you have a random hand, he's less than 65% to win the hand, and even if he hadn't already put in 300 chips (which I don't see the point of, either), he has a far greater than 65% chance of cashing if he folds. And you're hardly likely to be playing like this with a random hand. If he'd shoved originally, that wouldn't have been terrible, though I don't think it's right from UTG with those stack sizes.
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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler Here's the worst play I have seen so far. I was able to take a completely impartial view as I wasn't involved in the hand. And even though, ultimately, it sealed the deal as far as myself cashing was concerned, the call is so so bad it's laughable...

***** Hand 1308123880 ***** 200.00/400.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 06 November 2008 00:56:37 Cooler (Real /Tournament ) Seat 1: Unknown (0.00) Seat 2: ikerg (2240.00) Seat 3: NGabbbry (1600.00) Seat 7: plSamba (1900.00) Seat 4: mcbeaker (2550.00) Seat 5: bells73 (1930.00) Seat 6: Unknown (0.00) Seat 8: sebasxm (4780.00) Seat 9: Unknown (0.00) Seat 10: Unknown (0.00) NGabbbry post SB 200.00 mcbeaker post BB 400.00 ** Deal ** ikerg [N/A, N/A] NGabbbry [N/A, N/A] plSamba [4h, 7c] mcbeaker [N/A, N/A] bells73 [N/A, N/A] sebasxm [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** bells73 All-in 1930.00 plSamba Fold sebasxm Fold ikerg Call 1930.00 NGabbbry Fold mcbeaker Fold *** Flop(Board): *** : [Jc, Ks, 4c] *** Turn(Board): *** : [Jc, Ks, 4c, 3s] *** River(Board): *** : [Jc, Ks, 4c, 3s, 9h] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 4460.00 ikerg [Qc, Js] Pair of jacks Win: 4460.00 NGabbbry Fold Win: 0.00 plSamba Fold Win: 0.00 mcbeaker Fold Win: 0.00 bells73 [As, Qs] Highest card ace Win: 0.00 sebasxm Fold Win: 0.00
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Re: Worst play you've seen in a cooler Was playing a €10 game tonight when this hand happened. ***** Hand 1309107930 ***** 15.00/30.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 06 November 2008 20:04:58 Cooler (Real/Tournament) Seat 1: benoudent (3105.00) Seat 2: pl---GaF (1485.00) Seat 3: ludvo777 (1575.00) Seat 4: kalemis (1425.00) Seat 5: ratski (1440.00) Seat 10: Daft Pegas (1470.00) Seat 6: Unknown (0.00) Seat 7: many33700 (1500.00) Seat 8: esset (1500.00) Seat 9: KSSG1947 (1500.00) ratski post SB 15.00 many33700 post BB 30.00 ** Deal ** benoudent [N/A, N/A] pl---GaF [N/A, N/A] ludvo777 [N/A, N/A] kalemis [N/A, N/A] ratski [N/A, N/A] Daft Pegas [6s, 8h] many33700 [N/A, N/A] esset [N/A, N/A] KSSG1947 [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** esset Fold KSSG1947 Fold Daft Pegas Fold benoudent Raise to 86.00 pl---GaF Fold ludvo777 Call 86.00 kalemis Fold ratski Fold many33700 Fold *** Flop(Board): *** : [Qs, 2c, 3s] *** Bet Round 2 *** benoudent Check ludvo777 Bet 217.00 benoudent Call 217.00 *** Turn(Board): *** : [Qs, 2c, 3s, 7d] *** Bet Round 3 *** benoudent Check ludvo777 Bet 651.00 benoudent Raise to 1302.00 ludvo777 All-in 1272.00 *** River(Board): *** : [Qs, 2c, 3s, 7d, 9s] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 3195.00 benoudent [9c, Ks] Pair of nines Win: 0.00 pl---GaF Fold Win: 0.00 ludvo777 [Jc, Qc] Pair of queens Win: 3195.00 kalemis Fold Win: 0.00 ratski Fold Win: 0.00 Daft Pegas Fold Win: 0.00 many33700 Fold Win: 0.00 esset Fold Win: 0.00 KSSG1947 Fold Win: 0.00 As the chip leader in late position I don't mind the pre flop raise (although it is a bit early to be stealing blinds) but after that I feel his play was awful. I simply can't see what he was hoping to hit or represent throughout the hand and once ludvo has put 2/3 of his chip stack in after the turn you know he isn't going to fold to the raise.

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