Define Your Hand, Try To Find Out Where You Are, But Then What???

[daftpegasus]

I think this is an interesting hand for the strategy thread. In any position other than the BB this is an easy fold, but with limpers you have to see a flop. A low buy in STT. Level 1 so no real read on anyone. I'm in the BB and get into the following situation: ***** Hand 1137365359 ***** 15.00/30.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 26 June 2008 21:05:03 Pays 4 Places (Real/Tournament) Seat 1: marijose (6270.00) Seat 2: gogolch1 (1485.00) Seat 3: paddyplppl (1515.00) Seat 4: feedjo (1620.00) Seat 5: OLPUMA (1230.00) Seat 7: mowo (1380.00) Seat 10: De-Wolf (1500.00) mowo post SB 15.00 De-Wolf post BB 30.00 ** Deal ** marijose [N/A, N/A] gogolch1 [N/A, N/A] paddyplppl [N/A, N/A] feedjo [N/A, N/A] OLPUMA [N/A, N/A] mowo [N/A, N/A] De-Wolf [Qd, 4s] *** Bet Round 1 *** marijose Fold gogolch1 Call 30.00 paddyplppl Fold feedjo Call 30.00 OLPUMA Fold mowo Call 30.00 De-Wolf Check 3 Limpers holding Q4o I don't think it's worth a bluff/raise at this stage of the tournament *** Flop(Board): *** : [3s, 10c, Qs] *** Bet Round 2 *** mowo Check De-Wolf Check gogolch1 Check feedjo Bet 60.00 mowo Fold De-Wolf Raise to 240.00 gogolch1 Fold feedjo Call 240.00 Out of position and with TP but terrible kicker I decide to see how the others define their hand. 1 check and a fold to a weak bet give me the perfect position to undertake a check raise (about 125% of pot) to scare them all off and take down the pot. But I got a caller which made me think they're on a flush draw. *** Turn(Board): *** : [3s, 10c, Qs, 5s] *** Bet Round 3 *** De-Wolf Bet 450.00 feedjo Call 450.00 The third spade appears and I now redefine my hand with a 3/4 pot continuation bet. If he raises I know I'm right about the flush and I can get away from the hand with enough chips to play. He calls. Now I'm confused. Do I sense great strenght or weakness? *** River(Board): *** : [3s, 10c, Qs, 5s, 3h] The river is no help to me but puts me behind more possible hands. I have nearly half my chips in the middle. Any bet here has to be All In, but with only top pair??? What would you do? What do you put him on? I played the flop and turn expecting either a fold or reraise on both - did I play these wrong and get myself into this situation on the river through bad play.

[GaF]

Re: Define Your Hand, Try To Find Out Where You Are, But Then What??? Sorry - I think you committed way too many chips with way too weak a hand and out of position..... I dont understand your turn bet of 450 - you put him on a flush draw, which if your read was correct, hit, yet after that you still committed a third of your original stack? It's a mistake I make so often as well, and am trying hard to combat - a fear of showing weakness when OOP so betting into a passive opponent hard.