slapdash Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I guess this belongs under "poker strategy", at least if you use a fairly loose definition of "poker". Has anybody played the Terminator Xtreme STTs on PKR.com? 10 players. Based on a $10+$1 buy-in, everybody starts with a $10 bounty on their head. If you eliminate a player, you bank 75% of their bounty (i.e., you win this whatever happens), and the other 25% is added to your bounty. The eventual winner keeps the bounty on his head, but otherwise, unlike most tournaments with bounties, there is no prize for your finishing position: if you come second without eliminating anybody then you win nothing. I don't think I've really sussed the right strategy yet, but I'm pretty sure that it should be very different from a normal STT. But I'm pretty sure that many of the players I've come across have done things that are clearly wrong given the rules (though I've only played three of them at $10+$1, won $70 in one and nothing in the other two), so this could be potentially lucrative for somebody prepared to put some thought into how to play. I think these are available at $5, $10 and $20, and of course the big downside is that you have to suffer the PKR software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Haven't seen them, but sounds interesting ...... My Instinct is that you need to play Loose and aggressive against shorter stacks and tight and passive against larger stacks :unsure and that stack size is a more critical factor than usual.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Haven't seen them, but sounds interesting ...... My Instinct is that you need to play Loose and aggressive against shorter stacks and tight and passive against larger stacks :unsure and that stack size is a more critical factor than usual.... Also knocking somebody out early is extremely valuable: not only do you win most of your buyin back immediately, but you're also in a good position to take on any other player. I suspect you ought to gamble very loosely early on with all-ins and calling all-ins. Another thing is that just a few chips here and there can make a big difference if it means you have another player covered. I saw a big stack (I don't remember exactly, but I think he had about 7000 chips) fold when a player on around 900 chips went all-in and got called by a 1200 chip stack. That must be wrong whatever two cards he had, surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Sounds reasonable :ok Am going to give one a go (though looks like it'll take about 15 mins to get my software up to date :loon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs looks like it'll take about 15 mins to get my software up to date :loon) Thought you didn't have an ultra-fast internet connection? :tongue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs lol - dont tell me it took you longer than 15 mins :loon (8 mins left) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs lol - dont tell me it took you longer than 15 mins :loon Probably not, but it felt like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs I still have 6 minutes left :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Now it's failed and asked me to start again :unsure EDIT Appears to be continuing from where it left off..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Could you not find a Gillingham avatar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Don't think making a smallish bluff on the river is likely to work in this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs My Instinct is that you need to play Loose and aggressive against shorter stacks and tight and passive against larger stacks :unsure and that stack size is a more critical factor than usual.... Not so convinced that's the best strategy any more :unsure It seems that the majority of players are over aggressive - very early on we had 4 players all in with mediocre hands - if you do the same, then where's your edge? Am thinking that, initially at least, you may need to play pretty standard for an STT - aiming to maximise your ev :unsure Probably a passive game - you cant get rid of players by betting - so you need to see plenty of flkops if you can, and then bet hard when you hit..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Don't think making a smallish bluff on the river is likely to work in this game. It did work on the player after me - remember putting 60 into a 360 pot on the river with nothing, and he folded ...... didn't work on the player before me though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Am going to sit down at another.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Don't think I agree, but I'll post my thoughts later when I've got them straight in my head. I'm in the next $5 one. Care to join me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Not going well :unsure Maybe you're right.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs ok - need to be prepared to play with positive ev top try and build a stack early on - so build big pots with top 15% of hands or so..... :unsure You going again slap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs You going again slap? :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs That guy calling with A5 :loon - nice one :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Yeah - I need to loosen up - but struggling to see where the edge is - though you seem to have it sussed there slap :loon Going again after this game - this structure has me intruiged now..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Hehe - I reckon I can talk him into showing you all his cards ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Well, that went well. :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs You've got it cracked ;) :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Hehe - I reckon I can talk him into showing you all his cards ;) He wasn't very good, was he? I was wondering at one point if it would be +EV to fold pocket aces if he went all-in pre-flop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Going again after this game - this structure has me intruiged now..... Bugger! Went to your table when it was just you and a couple of others sat down ... and didn't realize I'd forgotten to take a seat until the game started. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Intensity Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs They have MTTs like this on Crypto:ok. Some have half buyin goes to prize pool and hlaf goes on your head, some are all on your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs OK, here are my thoughts: Obviously I was a bit :loon lucky in that game, but I think the significant difference, at least in the early stages, between this and a standard STT is that in a standard STT, if two (or more) players have an all-in encounter, then in general it's the players not involved who benefit. But here, I suspect that it's the players involved who get the advantage, because whoever wins not only gets the bounty of the other player, but also has the huge advantage of having the biggest stack. Once I'd doubled up in that game, I was basically staying in any pot where a player might be eliminated. As soon as it was down to me and one other player, I was happy to fold ... nobody else could take his bounty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Either of you two going again? I just downloaded the software... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Either of you two going again? I just downloaded the software... Yeah, OK. I'll wait until GaF is out of the one he's playing now, and then join the next $5 one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Re: Terminator Xtreme STTs Cool - have you guys both got recognisable usernames there? I'm JadedJ as normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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