GaF Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 Just refered to this in another thread, but thought it was deserving of its own focus - I presume most have seen it at some point before.... http://www.pokerroom.com/poker/poker-school/ev-stats/total-stats-by-card.php?sSortOrder=value TOTAL STATS BY CARD The statistics are based on 122,031,244 pair of pocket cards dealt in the real money tables. The unit for EV is average profit in big bets. Cards EV EVCountAA2.32550,632KK1.67551,878QQ1.22549,570JJ0.86550,948AK s0.77367,870AQ s0.59368,178TT0.58550,156AK0.511,106,047AJ s0.43367,811KQ s0.39366,191990.38552,062AT s0.33367,393AQ0.311,101,249KJ s0.29365,921880.25550,710QJ s0.23368,213KT s0.20368,086AJ0.191,103,946A9 s0.18368,279QT s0.17365,398KQ0.161,103,231770.16553,492JT s0.15367,811A8 s0.10368,982K9 s0.09367,736AT0.081,105,376A5 s0.08367,900A7 s0.08369,231660.07549,696KJ0.071,105,604A4 s0.06367,553Q9 s0.06367,923T9 s0.05367,750J9 s0.04369,223A6 s0.03366,998QJ0.031,102,901550.02550,840A3 s0.02367,269KT0.011,103,705K8 s0.01369,893A2 s0.00366,46698 s0.00368,190T8 s-0.00366,732K7 s-0.00367,647Q8 s-0.02367,65787 s-0.02367,787QT-0.021,106,01276 s-0.03367,110JT-0.031,102,23344-0.03552,443A9-0.031,105,684J8 s-0.03367,615K6 s-0.04366,40797 s-0.04369,494K5 s-0.05368,807K4 s-0.05368,061 EVCountT7 s-0.05367,201Q7 s-0.06367,512K9-0.071,103,92065 s-0.07367,98686 s-0.07367,805A8-0.071,100,445J7 s-0.07364,54133-0.07551,586K2 s-0.08368,737Q9-0.081,107,991J9-0.081,102,303T9-0.081,103,44154 s-0.08367,333Q6 s-0.08368,294K3 s-0.08368,32196 s-0.09369,15975 s-0.09369,30322-0.09553,17164 s-0.09369,101T8-0.091,107,310Q5 s-0.09369,538A7-0.101,104,965T7-0.101,103,171Q4 s-0.10368,471J8-0.101,104,55298-0.101,103,08297-0.101,104,506J6 s-0.11366,95885-0.111,106,745T6 s-0.11368,32276-0.111,105,164Q8-0.111,106,395J5 s-0.11368,354T6-0.111,101,165Q3 s-0.11367,39075-0.111,105,498J4 s-0.11366,90674 s-0.11369,655K8-0.111,106,43986-0.111,105,83753 s-0.11366,243K7-0.111,101,74185 s-0.11367,45663 s-0.11365,732T3-0.121,102,03363-0.121,103,080K6-0.121,103,401J6-0.121,104,70496-0.121,105,09292-0.121,107,57972-0.121,104,28552-0.121,107,694A6-0.121,105,125T2-0.121,105,50395 s-0.12368,01584-0.121,104,856 EVCount62-0.121,107,570T5 s-0.12368,03095-0.121,102,769A5-0.121,104,643Q7-0.121,104,331T5-0.121,107,07287-0.121,103,00783-0.121,106,53265-0.121,104,700Q2 s-0.12368,35594-0.121,105,93974-0.121,101,551A4-0.121,104,763T4-0.121,106,17482-0.121,101,72764-0.121,101,48942-0.121,101,359J7-0.121,105,29793-0.121,104,31073-0.121,105,30253-0.121,105,251A3-0.131,105,722Q5-0.131,106,053J2-0.131,103,75984 s-0.13368,694Q4-0.131,103,742K5-0.131,105,669J5-0.131,105,84443 s-0.13368,525Q3-0.131,106,08143-0.131,106,577K4-0.131,104,957J4-0.131,106,654T4 s-0.13370,15054-0.131,104,529Q6-0.131,105,012Q2-0.131,104,650J3 s-0.13368,616J3-0.131,104,433T3 s-0.13369,188J2 s-0.14367,85892 s-0.14367,48852 s-0.14367,876K2-0.141,106,898T2 s-0.14369,19562 s-0.14367,20632-0.141,103,27282 s-0.14368,03942 s-0.14369,97793 s-0.14368,27873 s-0.14368,640K3-0.141,104,21172 s-0.15368,039A2-0.151,106,51983 s-0.15368,81494 s-0.15367,61732 s-0.16369,182 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted November 5, 2007 Author Share Posted November 5, 2007 Re: What cards are most profitable? Hmm.... do you suppose theyt mix limit and no limit? :loon Interesting that the cards right at the bottom are suited - showing how much people overplay being suited..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted November 5, 2007 Author Share Posted November 5, 2007 Re: What cards are most profitable? I presume that last table is ev by cards by position (as opposed to number of players at the table!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 Re: What cards are most profitable? I just think the reason there are a lot of suited connectors down the bottom is because people don't know how to play them post flop. They just watch Negreanu and Co. play them all the time and do the same with no real thought. Also these statistics back up the case for playing AQ in any position - a discussion which has been much debated on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted November 5, 2007 Author Share Posted November 5, 2007 Re: What cards are most profitable? Interesting Nade - presume you're referring to the AQ UTG thread - from these numbers, it looks a clear mistake to routinely fold AQs UTG.... EDIT Could that be the difference between Limit and No Limit? :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 Re: What cards are most profitable? Interesting that the cards right at the bottom are suited - showing how much people overplay being suited..... That may have something to do with it. But I think another reason may just be that there is a smaller sample for the suited combinations (e.g., 72o occurs three times as often as 72s), so there will be more variance in the figures for suited cards, so even if all "trash" hands actually lost about the same in the long run, over a finite sample, the suited ones are more likely to be further (either up or down) from the "true" figure. If you look at the highest placed trash hands, a lot of those are suited, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick mick Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 Re: What cards are most profitable? Although these tables are a good indicator of the strength of certain hands I would imagine the majority of the stats are from the lower levels. At the levels of skill most from this forum play at the cards have little meaning compared to other factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Re: What cards are most profitable? Very Intersting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Re: What cards are most profitable? This is the most usefull thread on here ever imho Had a look at my poker tracker stats for 25,000 fixed limit hands high cards show a profit low cards dont- thats a simple fact and if I played a billion hands that would still be the case. However scrolling down the hand ranks after the high hands were passed there would be the occasional profitable hand and they were all suited, why this should apply to fixed limit I dont know. The implied odds are in NL surely. Only got about 6000 hands on my boss NL data base but scrolling down the first hand to show a loss was a/k suited then a/j suited then a/10 suited, all these hands off suit show a healthy profit but the "they are suited" aspect obviously affects my judgement. yesterday played 7/8 suited and flopped the flush great small bet make sure no heart on the turn then take the pot down. Over pot bet reraised all in called, buy in gone, he had floped the nut flush. Flushes are so transparent they only get called by other flushes Yesterday played 4/5 suited- flop 4/5/K bet ,called turn q bet called river 8 bet reraised called beat by k/q not only is one pair no use but even 2 pair are suspect to bigger two pairs Yesterday played 4/5 suited flop 4/4/9 turn 8 river q lost to some one with a/4 In case any ones wondering I played 4 tables for 4 hours having lost 200 euro with these hands in the first 20 mins At the end of the session I was only 7 Euro down. As of now I only play suited connectors on the button in a full table family pot. Its too easy to call standard raises with 10/j suited in late position and the likes, but you would never do it with the off suit variety. And a/k on the button with a raise and 3 callers is an easy fold for me off suit but yet an automatic call if its suited, that cant be correct play Cheers for the information I,m of to get rich! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Re: What cards are most profitable? Do you mean you're playing your flush draws too hard with AK/AJ? That's the only thing i can think how you'd lose more with them suited than unsuited :unsure. "And a/k on the button with a raise and 3 callers is an easy fold for me off suit but yet an automatic call if its suited, that cant be correct play" Call with both at least, if not raise. In fact i'd raise in late position, especially on the button as it narrows the field and can get you a free card. General rule for me is suited connectors in late position if many have limped. (no idea if any of that makes sense as my brain is totally smoked) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Re: What cards are most profitable? Your odds against hitting the flop with any 2 cards, even more so with Ak on the button with a raise and three callers as some of your cards are more likely held by other players, In my book in this hand you are out of position to a contiuation bet and any bet by an over pair to the board. I think the problem is that I am playing these hands at all prelop in certain situations they should be folded especially in the blinds. I dare say if I disected the database I would find a lot of the problem lies in getting and calling small raises in the blinds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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