Jaded Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Deep stack on Stars, 5k chips with 30 minute blinds - about 1 hr 15 mins in at this point. I've been fairly restrained up til now. No real read on anyone because I'd been moved to the table not too long before this. PokerStars Game #11663367326: Tournament #58540387, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/08/24 - 09:43:37 (ET) Table '58540387 19' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: jhucks (3253 in chips) is sitting out Seat 2: sstfc (8120 in chips) Seat 3: iren (9965 in chips) Seat 4: SATANSHARK (14545 in chips) Seat 5: Telma123 (7650 in chips) Seat 6: JadedJ (8725 in chips) Seat 7: hekat09 (14610 in chips) is sitting out Seat 8: partypokerx (5998 in chips) Seat 9: twistedplaye (10910 in chips) jhucks: posts small blind 25 sstfc: posts big blind 50 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to JadedJ [Ks Kh] iren: folds SATANSHARK: folds Telma123: folds JadedJ: raises 150 to 200 hekat09: folds partypokerx: folds twistedplaye: folds jhucks: folds sstfc: calls 150 *** FLOP *** [5c Td 7d] sstfc: bets 150 How much should I reraise by? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColU_FC Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop I've been fairly restrained up til now Are you feeling unwell mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop I would want as much as I could so perhaps raise to about 500. If a ace comes you not losing too much of your stack if he hits and you need to get out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop Think i would be raising more than the pot here maybe 900-1000, infact the psychological barrier of 1000 will do. He might be seeing implied odds to a 500 raise and his stack is big enough for him to gamble with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop But I would want him in the pot still at this point. I am happy to take the risk he has a smaller pair or ace rag. If an ace comes I might get out and not lost that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop Thats the beauty of poker and the futility of a strategy forum. There is no correct way to play any hand online. Its quite early in the tourney so often as not I would flat call him, let him bet the turn, flat call him, let him bet the river and flat call him again and despite that being the most dangerous approach it would probably win the most chips(or lose the most). Also it sets up a great table image as the most passive wimp at the table. But I do like putting in a $1000 chip if you just want to take the hand down which is what most would do here. The big problem with this hand is the other guys chip stack! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyhornet Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop I would probably put in a continuation bet of about 350. It's the expected thing and hides your hand to a degree. If you are re-raised then the set may have you beaten. Unless a pair or a diamond hit the turn, you are probably ahead, then it may be time to turn the screw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friskyfitz Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop Id play exactly the same as Staffy here. Re-raise of about 350 thus making it a 500 to play pot.. A diamond or a pair or and Ace sees me to the next hand where I play by ear.. Any big raise and Ive fcuked off.. Any check and Im betting 500 again or maybe even 1,000 depending on how I see the play evolve ahead of me! Id be very sick if he has 5,7 o - Very sick indeed!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted August 25, 2007 Author Share Posted August 25, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop I raised by 300... what now? PokerStars Game #11663367326: Tournament #58540387, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/08/24 - 09:43:37 (ET) Table '58540387 19' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: jhucks (3253 in chips) is sitting out Seat 2: sstfc (8120 in chips) Seat 3: iren (9965 in chips) Seat 4: SATANSHARK (14545 in chips) Seat 5: Telma123 (7650 in chips) Seat 6: JadedJ (8725 in chips) Seat 7: hekat09 (14610 in chips) is sitting out Seat 8: partypokerx (5998 in chips) Seat 9: twistedplaye (10910 in chips) jhucks: posts small blind 25 sstfc: posts big blind 50 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to JadedJ [Ks Kh] iren: folds SATANSHARK: folds Telma123: folds JadedJ: raises 150 to 200 hekat09: folds partypokerx: folds twistedplaye: folds jhucks: folds sstfc: calls 150 *** FLOP *** [5c Td 7d] sstfc: bets 150 JadedJ: raises 300 to 450 sstfc: calls 300 *** TURN *** [5c Td 7d] [6c] sstfc: checks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop I want the hand to end here so I'll make a 2 x pot bet. I do like glceud's 'passive wimp' misrepresentation play though and I've used it myself. :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted August 25, 2007 Author Share Posted August 25, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop In your case, are you sure it's a MISrepresentation?! :rollin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop Probably round about three quarters to a pot sized bet, but not over the pot, i never like putting bets bigger than the pot in as it's over-committing to a pot which in this case, if you're re-raised then you have to fold anyway. I don't get why the guy would call on the flop unless he was drawing at something and it's likely he's ahead here with pockets between 4's and 8's seems v likely, but i'd fire out a bet and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop Far too many draws to be betting 3/4 pot as he HAS the chips to gamble with, stick the lot in and move onto the next hand or if your beat the next tourney. Unfortunatly it ruins the "passive wimp illusion". Only other option is to try and check it down. The raise on the flop was too small to do anything other than get a call by any sort of hand followed by a check/raise or check/fold on the turn. I think my second option of calling would have won more chips if he missed and lost less chips if he had hit. As I keep saying the other guy has chips to play with and could be in this hand wth absolutly anything( it cost him 1% of his stack to see the flop despite the raise) so you really dont have a clue were you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyhornet Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop I'd over bet the pot, not all-in, though it does have it's merits, but about 2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop I'm a lazy git at the best of times...hit pot bet, it's easier than typing amounts in. {KK has been very sweet to me over last few days, seemed to have it lots. Hit KKKK once and trips each time I've been challenged (apart from one this morning where I faced a pot raise after Ace on flop and folded).} Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop 600 more, so 750 total that way you know if he has a good hand if he calls and know that you can fold if he re-raises you Damo Deep stack on Stars, 5k chips with 30 minute blinds - How much should I reraise by? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop 1300 in the pot - got to be betting 1K here and chucking if he shoves if he calls and checks the river just check behind Damo I raised by 300... what now? sstfc: checks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Re: KK in Deep Stack, Raggy Flop I love the passive wimp play as well, if the draw happens it is going to happen unless you shove them all in. He has called a raise in the BB with a drawing hand, he has called your bet on the flop (too low BTW) with the odds. Shoving is very dangerous and I am guessing any bet is wasted chips, check and see the river if he comes out betting an amount upto a 1100 I think you are beat but it may be worth calling as you have not wasted those chips on the turn. If he checks the river he may have missed he wouldn't have liked your check on the turn if he had a made hand and will have to stick a value bet in on the river. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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