GaF Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 As I mentioned to Jaded earlier, I've been playing some Omaha Hi/Lo on Parbet and just being played out of sight - first real attempt at Omaha Cash Games, and it's clear I need to change things!!!!! I'm losing at the rate of 125 BB/100 Hands :loon :loon I think I'm overvaluing my hands.... but any help appreciated - am just going to take the 3 biggest losing hands I played and put hand histories here ..... not filtered at all - the very worst of my play will, I'm sure, be there - lay into me please :ok PS. If you look closely, you may see NoPanties on Girlnextdoor!!! :tongue2 Game #4276393074: Omaha H/L PL ($0.15/$0.25) Table "Girlnextdoor" Seat 7 is the button. Seat 1: Mongos001 ($4.62 in chips) Seat 2: NoPanties ($9.22 in chips) Seat 3: dav081249 ($5.45 in chips) Seat 4: XiaoXue ($25.05 in chips) Seat 5: Stua05098 ($20.11 in chips) Seat 6: Stonerock ($11.65 in chips) Seat 7: dumbluck sits out Seat 8: Dave147 ($9.49 in chips) Seat 9: telepe ($29.08 in chips) Seat 10: pciho ($15.40 in chips) Dave147: posts small blind $0.15 telepe: posts big blind $0.25 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to telepe [8h 2d Qh Js] pciho: folds Mongos001: calls $0.25 NoPanties: folds dumbluck sits back dav081249: folds XiaoXue: folds Stua05098: calls $0.25 Stonerock: folds Dave147: calls $0.10 telepe: checks ----- FLOP ----- [8d Ts 9d] Dave147: bets $0.50 telepe: raises to $2.50 Mongos001: folds Stua05098: calls $2.50 Dave147: raises to $9.24 and is all-in telepe: raises to $28.83 and is all-in Stua05098: is all-in $17.36 Returned uncalled bets $8.97 to telepe ----- TURN ----- [8d Ts 9d][9s] ----- RIVER ----- [8d Ts 9d 9s][Ah] ----- SHOW DOWN ----- telepe: shows [8h 2d Qh Js] (HI: A Straight, Queen high) Stua05098: shows [6h 5d Ad 9c] (HI: A Full House, Nines full of Aces) Dave147: shows [Qd 3s Jd 7h] (HI: A Straight, Queen high) Stua05098 collected $20.19 from Side pot #1 Stua05098 collected $27.32 from Main pot ----- SUMMARY ----- Total pot $49.96 Main pot $27.32 Side pot #1 $20.19 | Rake $2.45 Board [8d Ts 9d 9s Ah] Seat 1: Mongos001 folded on the Flop Seat 2: NoPanties folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: dav081249 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: XiaoXue folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: Stua05098 showed [6h 5d Ad 9c] and won ($47.51) with HI: A Full House, Nines full of Aces Seat 6: Stonerock folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: Dave147 (small blind) showed [Qd 3s Jd 7h] and lost with A Straight, Queen high Seat 9: telepe (big blind) showed [8h 2d Qh Js] and lost with A Straight, Queen high Seat 10: pciho folded before Flop (didn't bet) ****HAND ENDS**** Game #4276656124: Omaha H/L PL ($0.15/$0.25) Table "Girlnextdoor" Seat 5 is the button. Seat 1: Mongos001 ($15.17 in chips) Seat 2: NoPanties ($30.46 in chips) Seat 3: dav081249 ($7.33 in chips) Seat 4: XiaoXue ($32.03 in chips) Seat 5: Stua05098 ($45.23 in chips) Seat 8: mrnl ($23.99 in chips) Seat 9: telepe ($25 in chips) Seat 10: pciho ($13.02 in chips) mrnl: posts small blind $0.15 telepe: posts big blind $0.25 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to telepe [9h 4h 8s 5h] pciho: calls $0.25 Mongos001: calls $0.25 NoPanties: folds dav081249: folds XiaoXue: folds Stua05098: calls $0.25 mrnl: calls $0.10 telepe: checks ----- FLOP ----- [6c 5d 7h] mrnl: checks telepe: checks pciho: checks Mongos001: checks Stua05098: bets $1.25 mrnl: calls $1.25 telepe: calls $1.25 pciho: folds Mongos001: folds ----- TURN ----- [6c 5d 7h][4c] mrnl: checks telepe: checks Stua05098: checks ----- RIVER ----- [6c 5d 7h 4c][6s] mrnl: bets $2.25 telepe: calls $2.25 Stua05098: raises to $14 mrnl: calls $11.75 telepe: calls $11.75 ----- SHOW DOWN ----- Stua05098: shows [7c 7d Kh Th] (HI: A Full House, Sevens full of Sixes) mrnl: shows [Ad 7s 4d 6h] (HI: A Full House, Sixes full of Sevens, LO: 6,5,4,4,A) telepe: mucks hand [9h 4h 8s 5h] mrnl collected $22.32 from Main pot Stua05098 collected $22.33 from Main pot ----- SUMMARY ----- Total pot $47 Main pot $44.65 Rake $2.35 Board [6c 5d 7h 4c 6s] Seat 1: Mongos001 folded on the Flop Seat 2: NoPanties folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: dav081249 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: XiaoXue folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: Stua05098 (button) showed [7c 7d Kh Th] and won ($22.33) with HI: A Full House, Sevens full of Sixes Seat 8: mrnl (small blind) showed [Ad 7s 4d 6h] and won ($22.32) with LO: 7,6,5,4,A Seat 9: telepe (big blind) mucked [9h 4h 8s 5h] Seat 10: pciho folded on the Flop ****HAND ENDS**** Game #4276654814: Omaha H/L PL ($0.15/$0.25) Table "Girlnextdoor" Seat 1 is the button. Seat 1: Mongos001 ($7.58 in chips) Seat 2: NoPanties ($14.22 in chips) Seat 3: dav081249 ($3.15 in chips) Seat 4: XiaoXue ($29.10 in chips) Seat 5: Stua05098 ($45.24 in chips) Seat 7: dumbluck ($4.26 in chips) Seat 8: mrnl ($24.49 in chips) Seat 9: telepe ($25.03 in chips) Seat 10: pciho ($14.86 in chips) NoPanties: posts small blind $0.15 dav081249: posts big blind $0.25 mrnl: posts big blind $0.25 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to telepe [As 2s 2c Kc] XiaoXue: calls $0.25 Stua05098: calls $0.25 dumbluck: folds mrnl: checks telepe: calls $0.25 pciho: folds Mongos001: calls $0.25 NoPanties: calls $0.10 dav081249: checks ----- FLOP ----- [2d 4h 7c] NoPanties: bets $1.75 dav081249: raises to $2.90 and is all-in XiaoXue: calls $2.90 Stua05098: folds mrnl: folds telepe: calls $2.90 Mongos001: calls $2.90 NoPanties: calls $1.15 ----- TURN ----- [2d 4h 7c][5s] NoPanties: bets $11.07 and is all-in XiaoXue: calls $11.07 telepe: calls $11.07 Mongos001: is all-in $4.43 ----- RIVER ----- [2d 4h 7c 5s][Ac] XiaoXue: checks telepe: checks ----- SHOW DOWN ----- XiaoXue: shows [3s Ah 9c 9h] (HI: A Straight, Five high, LO: 5,4,3,2,A) telepe: mucks hand [As 2s 2c Kc] Mongos001: mucks hand [7h 7s 4c Kh] NoPanties: shows [Ad 3d Tc 6s] (HI: A Straight, Seven high, LO: 6,5,4,3,2) dav081249: shows [5h 2h 6c 8d] (HI: A Straight, Eight high, LO: 8,7,6,4,A) NoPanties collected $4.73 from Side pot #2 XiaoXue collected $4.73 from Side pot #2 NoPanties collected $9.46 from Side pot #2 NoPanties collected $4.22 from Side pot #1 XiaoXue collected $4.21 from Side pot #1 NoPanties collected $8.44 from Side pot #1 NoPanties collected $3.86 from Main pot XiaoXue collected $3.86 from Main pot dav081249 collected $7.73 from Main pot ----- SUMMARY ----- Total pot $53.89 Main pot $15.45 Side pot #1 $16.87 | Side pot #2 $18.92 | Rake $2.65 Board [2d 4h 7c 5s Ac] Seat 1: Mongos001 (button) mucked [7h 7s 4c Kh] Seat 2: NoPanties (small blind) showed [Ad 3d Tc 6s] and won ($30.71) with HI: A Straight, Seven high; LO: 5,4,3,2,A Seat 3: dav081249 (big blind) showed [5h 2h 6c 8d] and won ($7.73) with HI: A Straight, Eight high Seat 4: XiaoXue showed [3s Ah 9c 9h] and won ($12.80) with LO: 5,4,3,2,A Seat 5: Stua05098 folded on the Flop Seat 7: dumbluck folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: mrnl (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 9: telepe mucked [As 2s 2c Kc] Seat 10: pciho folded before Flop (didn't bet) ****HAND ENDS**** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Omaha Massacre!!!! and it's clear I need to change things!!!!! I'm losing at the rate of 125 BB/100 Hands :loon :loon Without having had a chance to look at the hands you posted yet, folding every hand would probably improve things. :tongue2 (Only kidding!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Omaha Massacre!!!! folding every hand would probably improve things. I KNOW!!!!!! Looking at the hands, (I posted without looking first of all) - MAYBE I didn't do too much wrong in the first two and was just unlucky? Third hand - flopped trips and then overvalued them??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Omaha Massacre!!!! GaF, 3rd one, why the hell are you not raising BIG with A22K double suited?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatBoyFat Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Omaha Massacre!!!! Hey Gaf, First I am arse at PLO/8 and have been known to not even read my hand correctly. Calculating who has the best of it is always a nightmare so best to use programs. Check out http://www.pokerhand.org/index.php?page=calc for this. In the first hand, for example, the hand equity on the flop was as follows :- Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 666 enumerated boards containing Ts 9d 8d cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV Js 2d Qh 8h 20 20 225 421 0 0 0 0.294 9c Ad 5d 6h 183 189 477 0 180 0 0 0.367 3s Qd Jd 7h 36 36 209 421 27 75 0 0.339 Now according to this you was actually the biggest dog of the 3 on the flop. I guess this is because the other QJ had a redraw to the flush and you had no draw to the low. Didn't get round to running the other 2 hands through the calcualtor but if you do it I would be interested to see the results. GL at PLO8 - is a game I would really love to get in to if I didn't have a Wife, job, 2 kids and a mortgage to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterplan Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Omaha Massacre!!!! hand 1. fine nut straight on unsuited board. just got unlucky hand 2. FOLD WHEN THE BOARD PAIRS hand 3. bottom set is mostly no good, call/check, but you hould have jammed HARD preflop. when the straight possibility shows on the 5. you're boned VERY boned. fold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wumpking Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Re: Omaha Massacre!!!! GTF I play a lot of PL O H/L STTs and found the following information link useful when starting out: http://www.playwinningpoker.com/omaha/ particularly Bowen's defence of a count strategy for O H/L: http://www.playwinningpoker.com/omaha/point-count/ and the links to Hutchison's count system for O H/L: http://www.homestead.com/ehutchison/OmahaSystem.html They are all good reads and certainly helped improve my basic game. Best of luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brael Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Re: Omaha Massacre!!!! I've been playing a bit of Omaha hi/lo cash myself recently but I'm not going to try and give any advice as I'm sure there's more informed players here. I've been using this site as a starting point... if you haven't come across it yourself yet, you may find it of some use. :ok http://www.o8poker.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 28, 2007 Author Share Posted January 28, 2007 Re: Omaha Massacre!!!! Cheers guys - will check the links out :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 28, 2007 Author Share Posted January 28, 2007 Re: Omaha Massacre!!!! I'm losing at the rate of 125 BB/100 Hands :loon :loon Well - good news - My losses are down to 47 BB/100 :loon :loon The bad news is that out of 12 Table/sessions, I've only had 2 in profit!!! But there seems a "trend" that the losses are getting smaller - so I'm going the right way!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Re: Omaha Massacre!!!! GaF, you got MSN? Give us a shout next time you're playing if you want someone to watch you - advice offered at claimant's own risk, natch!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 28, 2007 Author Share Posted January 28, 2007 Re: Omaha Massacre!!!! Ta mate - only use MSN by prior arrangement :tongue2 So yes I do have it and would be great if you could watch me sometime..... Am playing at the moment though not with huge concentration (FA Cup, PL, and various other bits and bobs), so not the best time ..... will PM you and try and arrange something though if thats ok :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Re: Omaha Massacre!!!! Sure thing mate, am on most nights as you know from 6-7ish until 9-10, give me a shout when you fancy it. :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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