853 in Razz... Where Did I Go Wrong?!

[Jaded]

Playing Razz, been at the table about 25 hands, up $4 before this hand - mainly through winning small uncontested pots, had one big win and two fairly small losses. How bad was this? (Come on MrV, I know you at least know the rules!!) PokerStars Game #7667670616: Razz Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/29 - 19:19:30 (ET) Table 'Dione III' 8-max Seat 1: mikeybabie ($25 in chips) Seat 3: kissmyring1 ($22.30 in chips) Seat 4: jm51 ($18.15 in chips) Seat 5: bob labah ($6.65 in chips) Seat 6: MonkeyCowboy ($17.35 in chips) Seat 7: ryanbelanger ($31.75 in chips) Seat 8: JadedJ ($22.25 in chips) mikeybabie: posts the ante $0.05 kissmyring1: posts the ante $0.05 jm51: posts the ante $0.05 bob labah: posts the ante $0.05 MonkeyCowboy: posts the ante $0.05 ryanbelanger: posts the ante $0.05 JadedJ: posts the ante $0.05 *** 3rd STREET *** Dealt to mikeybabie [6h] Dealt to kissmyring1 [5d] Dealt to jm51 [5c] Dealt to bob labah [9s] Dealt to MonkeyCowboy [Kd] Dealt to ryanbelanger [5s] Dealt to JadedJ [8c 5h 3s] MonkeyCowboy: brings-in low $0.25 ryanbelanger: calls $0.25 JadedJ: raises $0.25 to $0.50 mikeybabie: folds kissmyring1: folds jm51: calls $0.50 bob labah: folds MonkeyCowboy: folds ryanbelanger: calls $0.25 *** 4th STREET *** Dealt to jm51 [5c] [Qc] Dealt to ryanbelanger [5s] [Js] Dealt to JadedJ [8c 5h 3s] [2c] JadedJ: bets $0.50 jm51: calls $0.50 ryanbelanger: calls $0.50 *** 5th STREET *** Dealt to jm51 [5c Qc] [2h] Dealt to ryanbelanger [5s Js] [Ad] Dealt to JadedJ [8c 5h 3s 2c] [Qh] ryanbelanger: bets $1 JadedJ: calls $1 jm51: calls $1 *** 6th STREET *** Dealt to jm51 [5c Qc 2h] [8s] Dealt to ryanbelanger [5s Js Ad] [6c] Dealt to JadedJ [8c 5h 3s 2c Qh] [4h] ryanbelanger: bets $1 JadedJ: calls $1 jm51: calls $1 *** RIVER *** Dealt to JadedJ [8c 5h 3s 2c Qh 4h] [2d] ryanbelanger: bets $1 JadedJ: calls $1 jm51: calls $1 *** SHOW DOWN *** ryanbelanger: shows [4c 7h 5s Js Ad 6c 3h] (Lo: 6,5,4,3,A) JadedJ: mucks hand jm51: mucks hand ryanbelanger collected $12.10 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $12.60 | Rake $0.50 Seat 1: mikeybabie folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet) Seat 3: kissmyring1 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet) Seat 4: jm51 mucked [3d As 5c Qc 2h 8s Th] Seat 5: bob labah folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet) Seat 6: MonkeyCowboy folded on the 3rd Street Seat 7: ryanbelanger showed [4c 7h 5s Js Ad 6c 3h] and won ($12.10) with Lo: 6,5,4,3,A Seat 8: JadedJ mucked [8c 5h 3s 2c Qh 4h 2d]

[Valiant23]

Re: 853 in Razz... Where Did I Go Wrong?! Alright, I'll show my ineptitude in this.... :$ :$ :$ As soon as I'd seen the A in ryanbelanger's hand then I'd be folding. You really need an A yourseld imo to have any chance of winning any Razz hand, and the fact that jm51 is calling ryan's bets you have to assume he's holding one as well, which leaves 2. You were quite right to bet out on this street imo;

*** 4th STREET *** Dealt to jm51 [3d As 5c] [Qc] Dealt to ryanbelanger [4c 7h 5s] [Js] Dealt to JadedJ [8c 5h 3s] [2c]

As you're in a strong position here. However from here it goes downhill....

*** 5th STREET *** Dealt to jm51 [3d As 5c] [Qc][2h] Dealt to ryanbelanger [4c 7h 5s] [Ad] Dealt to JadedJ [8c 5h 3s 2c] [Qh]

I would see enough in this situation to be vary wary of continuing any further in this hand. As I said earlier, Ryan has the 2 danger cards showing, and as it turns out you're behind (I think) to jm51. You should have dropped it here.

*** 6th STREET *** Dealt to jm51 [5c Qc 2h] [8s] Dealt to ryanbelanger [5s Js Ad] [6c] Dealt to JadedJ [8c 5h 3s 2c Qh] [4h]

jm gets the card he needs, whil Ryan thinks he's in good position too (although he's behind I think to jm51) You unfortunately get the card that is going to keep you in the hand, but again I wouldn't be playing at this point. The river brings no help but Ryan (very luckily imo) gets the card to win him the pot.

Seat 4: jm51 mucked [3d As 5c Qc 2h 8s Th] Seat 7: ryanbelanger showed [4c 7h 5s Js Ad 6c 3h] and won ($12.10) with Lo: 6,5,4,3,A

I'd be really pissed off if I was jm, but I don't think you ccan have any complaints, sorry mate. Now to see if I'm right I'm off to Pokerstars to get the hand rankings for Razz. :lol