Bad Play Creating Good Pot Odds

[Valiant23]

I've started a new thread for this because what I don't wish to do is victimise anyone in particular, but I'm interested in others thoughts on the subject. Actually I suppose I am victimising Slapdash, as its his post in this thread; http://www.punterslounge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33336

But once he'd bet' date=' he was getting [b']HUGE pot odds to call the reraise. If his opponent had shown him he had pocket aces, it would still be right to call. About the only hand opponent could show that would make me sorry I'd called would be pocket jacks.

Which causes me concern. Last night I saw teaulc go out of the APAT tourney because some one needlessly(?) tried a blind steal with 86os. teaulc called his raise then hit top pair on the flop and quite rightly pushed all in. Because there was an 8 on the flop the other guy called. After the hand the 'villain' justified his call by claiming he had value (or the odds). This, in my opinion is completely different to Damos (by the way Robilaruk, can't you ask for a PL name change so that you are just Damo?) series of posts about calling with crud cards in the right situation, as Damos situations are ones that aren't normally instigated by him. So, how can you claim to have the right odds when your bad play creates the environment to have the statistically correct odds? I know I'm going to get slaughtered on the maths side of things in this argument, but I don't see too many posts of support to people such as teaulc and Gazza (to use the most recent, but by no means the only examples) that encourage this kind of play, so there has to be something wrong with it. Doesn't there?

[morlspin]

Re: Bad Play Creating Good Pot Odds Personally, i dont play percentages and pot odds, i play my cards against what i beleive the other player/s to have In tonights case, id have folded, knowing i was beaten, thus keeping me in the tourney where i could rebuild and go on and hopefully win. To push in cos you have good pot odds is like giving away money, yes you may have live cards, and heads up is different, but on the final table, with a lot of play left if you fold, why call?