horse weights?

[smokeit34]

new to horses normally stick to football but after a nice win have been having a wee punt on some races... just looking to understand weights more... which number is the weight and the weight of what? horse or and jockey? and also how does fall in weight and rise in weight usually affect a horse?? may seem daft questions but grateful for friendly answer :) :dude

[Gingertipster]

Re: horse weights? Smokeit, Everyone is a novice once. Ask all the questions you like. There is a Q and A section in the stickies you might find interesting. The weight is the weight carried by the horse (including jockey and saddle etc). You will typically see something like 8 11-7. Meaning an eight year old carrying 11 stones 7 pounds. More weight slows a horse down, less weight means it can go faster. In handicaps the handicapper who allots the weights tries to give each horse a weight that would enable all runners to finish in a line (dead heat). Good luck, and keep stakes small to start with.:ok

[arnoldlayne]

Re: horse weights? This post has reminded me one of the bits of advice my grandad had for me regarding having a flutter, after always bet on the outsider in a 3 horse race, and that was remember to go against those horses who had to carry 'dead' weight in the saddle. I.E Lead, as opposed to the weight of the jockey. Id be interested to know if there's been any analysis done on the comparative effects on the performance of horse down to carry 10 stone 6; with one time it made up of a jockey weighing 10 stone 5 and carrying one lb extra of lead; or a 10 stone jockey carrying 5 extra lbs of lead.

[smokeit34]

Re: horse weights? cheers gingertipster:ok :dude

[ONEDUNME]

Re: horse weights?

This post has reminded me one of the bits of advice my grandad had for me regarding having a flutter, after always bet on the outsider in a 3 horse race, and that was remember to go against those horses who had to carry 'dead' weight in the saddle. I.E Lead, as opposed to the weight of the jockey. Id be interested to know if there's been any analysis done on the comparative effects on the performance of horse down to carry 10 stone 6; with one time it made up of a jockey weighing 10 stone 5 and carrying one lb extra of lead; or a 10 stone jockey carrying 5 extra lbs of lead.

Don't know about that but the outsider of three theory's a pile of steaming shite. It's one of those things that everyone notices when it happens but overlooks when it fails. I was at Doncaster when it happened on Saturday. Overall, you would lose money on them. My Grandfather used to say alway back Favourites on a Thursday - Thursday is Favourites day. He was a dithering old twat.

[TheBoyRooney]

Re: horse weights?

which number is the weight and the weight of what? horse or and jockey? and also how does fall in weight and rise in weight usually affect a horse?? may seem daft questions but grateful for friendly answer :) :dude

The Rating(OR) of the horse should relate to the weight carried by the horse..Usually a horse say with a mark of 75 should be carrying 5 pounds more than a horse with a mark of 70....The type of race then dictates what race the horse is actually carrying depending on OR of top weight i suppose(not sure).. As for how does fall in weight affect horses.?...Just say as an example, Horse A beats Horse B by 5 lenghts in a race last february over 2m,and horse A was carrying 9 stone 7,and Horse B was carrying 9 stone 7 also.They met off equal weight. and they race again, say tomorrow ,but Horse B is now carrying 8 stone 11,and Horse A is carrying 9 stone 7 again..Now horse B has a 10 pounds pull from that previous race(is 10 pounds better off)... So as Horse A beat Horse B by 5 lenghts,as Horse B is now 10 pounds better off depending on distance of course,but that weight pull should see it get closer to Horse A and even pass it(i think usually its 2lb per length could be wrong depending on race distance).. As for effect on horses carrying top weight,you can use your self as an example.Run from your house to the shop and buy 2 cement blocks..Now run back to you house with the carrying the cement blocks..Of course it depends on how much weight you carry,look at Denman in the Hennessy..Was carrying so much weight,it didnt really have a chance of winning against featherweight opponents... I knew none of the above 2 to 3 years ago(only following horses 3 1/2 years),it's only from asking questions here and other places and learning from mistakes that i have learnt a bit,don't be afraid to ask as there are many here with greater knowlege than i... A Handy tool to see how horses have feared against each other and how they are weighted on those previous meetings is formscan.. http://www.attheraces.com/card.aspx?raceid=315813&meetingid=44714&date=2011-03-09&ref=cardmain&refsite=&nav=racecards&h2h=yes Here we see that camps bay is top rated for the 7.30 KEMPTON,it is currently 12-1,Camps bay has only in the past faced one of the opponents here in this race..However keyly it beat times square(9-2) over C&D in February,it beat Times square by 5 lengths and is 1 pound better off in the weights..This means in my book that camps bay is value compared to Times square.. Then we see Sir Boss(the favourite) has beaten 3 of the opponents it faces tomorrow,Times square,beat route and Epsoms salt.It only beat Times square by 1 1/2 half length over C&D in February..But times square is now 7 pounds better off in the weights based on that race,that gives time square a chance to get past Sir Boss based on that race.. This also links sir boss to times square,which links it to Camps Bays in a form link..(this can be done even thought camps bay has never faced sir boss)..Beat route is also weighted to get a little closer to sir boss. We also see that sir boss beat Epsom salts but that was on turf,i generally ignore when its a different surface especially as Epsom salts in coincidently an epsom Specialist. Now this doesnt mean camps bay will win,but it has a live chance and is the value of the race,i personally think that Epsom salts will go very close to winning..:unsure

[jayalexander]

Re: horse weights? When there are a number of horses who share the top weight, they are sorted alphabetically on the card. Sounds simple, but something I didn't notice until recently being told on here.

[smokeit34]

Re: horse weights?

The Rating(OR) of the horse should relate to the weight carried by the horse..Usually a horse say with a mark of 75 should be carrying 5 pounds more than a horse with a mark of 70....The type of race then dictates what race the horse is actually carrying depending on OR of top weight i suppose(not sure).. As for how does fall in weight affect horses.?...Just say as an example, Horse A beats Horse B by 5 lenghts in a race last february over 2m,and horse A was carrying 9 stone 7,and Horse B was carrying 9 stone 7 also.They met off equal weight. and they race again, say tomorrow ,but Horse B is now carrying 8 stone 11,and Horse A is carrying 9 stone 7 again..Now horse B has a 10 pounds pull from that previous race(is 10 pounds better off)... So as Horse A beat Horse B by 5 lenghts,as Horse B is now 10 pounds better off depending on distance of course,but that weight pull should see it get closer to Horse A and even pass it(i think usually its 2lb per length could be wrong depending on race distance).. As for effect on horses carrying top weight,you can use your self as an example.Run from your house to the shop and buy 2 cement blocks..Now run back to you house with the carrying the cement blocks..Of course it depends on how much weight you carry,look at Denman in the Hennessy..Was carrying so much weight,it didnt really have a chance of winning against featherweight opponents... I knew none of the above 2 to 3 years ago(only following horses 3 1/2 years),it's only from asking questions here and other places and learning from mistakes that i have learnt a bit,don't be afraid to ask as there are many here with greater knowlege than i... A Handy tool to see how horses have feared against each other and how they are weighted on those previous meetings is formscan.. http://www.attheraces.com/card.aspx?raceid=315813&meetingid=44714&date=2011-03-09&ref=cardmain&refsite=&nav=racecards&h2h=yes Here we see that camps bay is top rated for the 7.30 KEMPTON,it is currently 12-1,Camps bay has only in the past faced one of the opponents here in this race..However keyly it beat times square(9-2) over C&D in February,it beat Times square by 5 lengths and is 1 pound better off in the weights..This means in my book that camps bay is value compared to Times square.. Then we see Sir Boss(the favourite) has beaten 3 of the opponents it faces tomorrow,Times square,beat route and Epsoms salt.It only beat Times square by 1 1/2 half length over C&D in February..But times square is now 7 pounds better off in the weights based on that race,that gives time square a chance to get past Sir Boss based on that race.. This also links sir boss to times square,which links it to Camps Bays in a form link..(this can be done even thought camps bay has never faced sir boss)..Beat route is also weighted to get a little closer to sir boss. We also see that sir boss beat Epsom salts but that was on turf,i generally ignore when its a different surface especially as Epsom salts in coincidently an epsom Specialist. Now this doesnt mean camps bay will win,but it has a live chance and is the value of the race,i personally think that Epsom salts will go very close to winning..:unsure

cheers for that, very helpfull :ok :dude