Scooper Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Sites like Absolute Poker deduct bonuses from rakeback so does it make any difference reloading for a bonus? It doesn't seem to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Re: Bonuses and rakeback Do they deduct the full bonus, or the rakeback percentage of the bonus? I think, on Full Tilt, the way it works is that you lose the rakeback percentage of any bonus (so 27%) - meaning that you do still actually earn 73% of the bonus - I presume it's the same on Absolute? Anyone know how it works on Stars? As there's no actual rakeback (jusr bonuses), I presume nothing hits your rakeback equivalent? I've just gone up to "silverstar" which I notice gets me in a weekly $30k freeroll - I presume if I dont play it, then I'm just losing the benefit, so I may as well play it, even if it's a case of going all in every hand until I bust (or have a stack)? Or do I lose VPPs if I play the freeroll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
averick Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Re: Bonuses and rakeback You're right there, you won't be compensated in any way if you miss the freerolls, and neither will you be penalised if you take part in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooper Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 Re: Bonuses and rakeback Not sure how it works on AP, you certainly don't get the full 30% if on bonuses - it looks like it's best to reload to be on the safeside. On Stars it seems you get very little once you use up the bonuses unless I don't understand. You can buy a $25 bonus for 2500FPP but a £50 Amazon voucher for 5500FPP looks the better value. I think VPP's don't actually have any value I and are just an indication of your status. The $30000 weekly tounament has a small FPP buy in but is a hard slog for a ring game player usually with small reward. Do they deduct the full bonus, or the rakeback percentage of the bonus? I think, on Full Tilt, the way it works is that you lose the rakeback percentage of any bonus (so 27%) - meaning that you do still actually earn 73% of the bonus - I presume it's the same on Absolute? Anyone know how it works on Stars? As there's no actual rakeback (jusr bonuses), I presume nothing hits your rakeback equivalent? I've just gone up to "silverstar" which I notice gets me in a weekly $30k freeroll - I presume if I dont play it, then I'm just losing the benefit, so I may as well play it, even if it's a case of going all in every hand until I bust (or have a stack)? Or do I lose VPPs if I play the freeroll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Re: Bonuses and rakeback You're right there' date=' you won't be compensated in any way if you miss the freerolls, and neither will you be penalised if you take part in them.[/quote'] Just looking at tonights game - 7272 entries for a $30k freeroll with a buy in of 100FPPs. What's an FPP worth on Stars? Freeroll is worth about $5 - it's still running now, 5 hours after the start (30 players left). To be honest, not sure it's worth bothering with at $5 (minus the cost of the buy in) - except (maybe) the all in every hand approach to bust or boom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Re: Bonuses and rakeback On Stars it seems you get very little once you use up the bonuses unless I don't understand. According to a 2plus2 thread (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/pokerstars-rakeback-equivalent-chart-683086/) the rakeback equivalents (1 year ago) at Pokerstars are between 20% and 65% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Re: Bonuses and rakeback - except (maybe) the all in every hand approach to bust or boom! Who taught you that one;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooper Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 Re: Bonuses and rakeback Does this chart assume you have bonus money to use up? After the welcome bonus or very occasional reloads there seems little else than stellar rewards which aren't much for the average player unless you use your FPP's to buy a bonus. Nice software but apparently below average rewards unless your a high stakes player. A very complicated reward syatem in any case! According to a 2plus2 thread (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/pokerstars-rakeback-equivalent-chart-683086/) the rakeback equivalents (1 year ago) at Pokerstars are between 20% and 65% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGremlin Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Re: Bonuses and rakeback I read that you can get almost anything on the pokerstars store and what they don't have they still got the PokerStars Concierge Service for any special wishes The value is also good with $500 for 31k? Anyone tried that one? I can't. I don't have the points and I am not a Supernova :tongue2 ================================================================ Concierge service « Back to Special Items« Back to VIP Store Home Page 31,000+ FPPsupernovaAs the Rolling Stones said, "You can't always get what you want." Or can you? As a Supernova, you're not limited to just the array of items that you see on the store shelf. If there is something special you're looking for, anything in the range of approximately $500 and up, just let us know and we'll personally see what can be done to make it happen! =============================================================== Fun e-mail exchange, don't know if this one is real though: Dear Support, As you can see in the attached file, your concierge service does not include important matters for a poker player such as tax payments and other financial issues. This has left me worried a little. Could you please tell me if concierge service can be used for the following services: - Strip club entrance fee, lap dance, lesbian show, table dance, private time with strippers etc. - Bottle service in a club of my choice - Condoms - Birth control - Professional treatment for mental issues such as tilt and god-syndrome - Baseball bats, pepper spray, stun gun, etc, for protection when leaving the casino with ballin' amounts of cash - Lucky charms such as a rabbit's foot or a statue of Buddha - Alimony for ex-wife and children, caused by gambling problems - A private detective to follow my ex-wife's every move - A cute puppy - One hour with Anna of Zuzana.com - Receipt for a lost game of credit card roulette - A signed poster of Daniel Negreanu exposing his naked chest - A crate of Red Bull energy drink - All seasons of Entourage - A monkey - Invoice for the assassination of Men 'The Master' Nguyen - A bottle to urinate in while grinding - Speeding tickets - Bail money - Purchase of a new identity These are a few. Hopefully you can let me know asap. Some of these are rather urgent. Gr, Maurice ================================================================= Hello Maurice, Thank you for your email I do understand you concerns about the concierge service, since both that and our VIP store and concierge service is aimed to help the poker player. However, I assure you, you seem to have misinterpreted some of the things available to you both through the store and the concierge service. The basic principle of the concierge service is that it has to be of a value over $500 and it has to be legal, and it cannot include utility bills such as credit card bills, mortgage etc. Other than that, you can claim almost anything as long as you have a legal receipt for it. So let me go through your list and point out the possibilities and opportunities. Strip club entrance fee, lap dance, lesbian show, table dance, private time with strippers etc. Bottle service in a club of my choice. Strip clubs, lap dances, etc. as well as restaurant bills fall under the same category, unfortunately we cannot grant this because it is considered everyday items. It needs to be special for concierge service to be applicable. (Well, it might be "special" but still, it is considered an everyday item.) Condoms Birth control These are very important things, therefore, you need to get these in bulk. Basically, buy condoms for $500 or so and send us the bill. There is no problems for using your FPPs for this purpose. Professional treatment for mental issues such as tilt and god-syndrome Tilt and God-syndrome are two serious problems (unless you get lucky and hit a two-outer to take someone stack), we therefore have no problems of paying for a good shrink to help you with these issues. Make sure that he charges more than $500 though, anything less would be pointless in your case. Baseball bats, pepper spray, stun gun etc, for protection when leaving the casino with ballin' amounts of cash Well, the solution to this problem is online poker. Please play exclusively on PokerStars and you will not have any problems with people who try to rip you off when you head home from a good night at the casino. However, should you still need these items, I suggest you buy them in bulk so that the bill exceeds $500. Lucky charms such as a rabbit's foot or a statue of Buddha The problem with lucky charms is that some of them work and some of them do not. Therefore if you buy rabbits feet for example, make sure you buy a couple of thousand. When it comes to smiling buddha charm I would probably try buying 20-30 of this nice item: http://www.alleghenycandles.com/buddha.html If you want a bigger Buddha you should consider buying a couple from this site: http://www.finebuddhastatues.com/shakyamuni-buddha-c-10.html You can, of course, send the bill to concierge service and we will take care of it as long as the order is large enough. Alimony for ex-wife and children, caused by gambling problems Unfortunately this goes under the heading of house-hold bills and everyday items, and I am afraid we cannot help you here. However, as stated earlier, we can pay for the shrink. A private detective to follow my ex-wife's every move Of course. As long as he does not do anything illegal this is something we would consider. A cute puppy Sorry, this is probably not possible. But who knows, perhaps we can make an exception for you, it depends on the cuteness of the puppy. Receipt for a lost game of credit card roulette Now, I do not know the amounts you play for, but I seriously would advise to up the ante. We can, namely, grant use of the concierge service if the bill is large enough. For example if it is a special occasion, like holding a birthday party for a friend at a fancy restaurant it should be no problem. Therefore, go for it properly, get 10 people together and go for a game of Credit Card Roulette in one of these two three star restaurants not far from your home: http://www.librije.com/#passie/nl http://www.oudsluis.nl/dining.html We would consider any kind of bill for less than $1,500 not worthy of a proper poker player playing credit card roulette, but if you play high, and happen to lose, the concierge service will help you out. A signed poster of Daniel Negreanu exposing his naked chest Unfortunately we do not have this kind of relationship with Daniel Negreanu, but perhaps you can approach him in person and ask him for a photo? Another possibility is to make a post on the 2+2 forum and I am sure they could help you find the sexiest pictures of Daniel. A crate of Red Bull energy drink A crate? Come on. You drink at least three a day, for a year, that is approximately 1,000, I would probably go with 2,000 just to be safe. Get the bill, send it to us and the concierge service will help you foot the bill using your FPPs. All seasons of Entourage Currently the best way to get this is by using our Amazon vouchers purchasable through our VIP store. A monkey We already have a PokerStars monkey purchasable through the VIP store, or have you missed his adventures? Please check out the following link: http://www.pokerstars.com/vip/store/promotions/monkey/ Invoice for the assassination of Men 'The Master' Nguyen This is illegal and therefore we cannot help you. However, if you want to hurt him the right way to go is to hurt him emotionally. You will probably do that best at the tables. A bottle to urinate in while grinding Now why would you think we have not thought about this before? What did you think our travel mug in the VIP store is supposed to be used for? http://www.pokerstars.com/vip/store/?cat=poker-accessories∏=pa-18 Speeding tickets Bail money Unfortunately this would either fall under the category of "everyday items" or utility bills so I am afraid the concierge service cannot help you here. You can buy a pretty fast car though through the VIP store ... http://www.pokerstars.com/vip/store/?cat=special-items∏=sp-01 ... in fact, when I think about it perhaps you need a slow car. Then I would suggest the Nissan Micra 1.2 Auto or perhaps one of the other ten cars mentioned in this survey about the slowest cars money can buy: http://www.channel4.com/4car/ft/feature/feature/16994/3 Just send us the bill and our concierge service can help you use your FPPs for the purchase. Purchase of a new identity This is against our terms of service. Just as we only allow one user ID per person we only allow one identity per person. Thus we cannot help you with this issue. Our ToS can be found here: http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/tos/ I hope this responds to most of your concerns about the concierge service and our VIP store, as you can see we have actually already thought about many of these issues. Also, we have sunglasses to hide your hangover when you go out, umbrellas to protect against the sun if you have the inclination to leave your PokerStars grinding during daylight, for example, so as you can see we are trying to be proactive. If you have any further questions or comments please let us know and we are happy to help. If you wish to start using the concierge service properly (as explained above) we are looking forward to your first bills. Good luck with the credit card roulette. Regards, Fredrik S PokerStars Support Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Re: Bonuses and rakeback Does this chart assume you have bonus money to use up? After the welcome bonus or very occasional reloads there seems little else than stellar rewards which aren't much for the average player unless you use your FPP's to buy a bonus. Nice software but apparently below average rewards unless your a high stakes player. A very complicated reward syatem in any case! I dont know the breakdown of how the values are calculated, but would be certain that it only includes bonuses that you earn as a result of your play on Pokerstars (i.e. only bonuses everyone will get, not bonuses only some may get). The numbers will include the value of VPPs at the best rate achievable (probably Tournament tickets?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Re: Bonuses and rakeback Here's an example someone's worked through on 2plus2: Well, let's see. If you get gold star status and 5K VPP a month, that generates 120,000 VPP for the year. Cashing that in at the gold star rate generates $1,440. The Stellar bonuses work out to $700 for 60,000 VPPs. If we toss in $450 in reloads, that brings your total rakeback for the year to $2,590. It takes roughly $10,909 in rake paid to generate 60,000 VPPs (it varies for cash game players, because stars uses the dealt method). So, total rakeback for the year: about 24%. So it does include a reload bonus I dont have a reload bonus on PS - are they common? Maybe I should hunt one out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Re: Bonuses and rakeback They used to have them at the start of the year but havnt had one this year :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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