Mucked Hand

[Rovers4eva]

I played in a small live tourney today at my local poker place. Basically I did the fishiest thing ever and I'm 99% sure I already know the answer, but I still want to put my mind at ease. :) Hand plays like this. I have 95os Blinds 150/300 Guy raises to 600 total, 2 callers, I call for 300 more. Flop 95Q Rainbow. I raise 2000, Guy raises all in. I call. He shows AAs, I show 95. Flop comes Q. I stupidly without thinking say nice hand and throw my cards in the muck. River comes 9. Chips go to him 'cos it's classed as mucked. :cry So, my question is: Is that correct? OR Does this rule apply where ever you would play? I mean everybody at the table saw what I had. We were both all in and we'd both flipped out cards over when we'd said all in. I guess rules are rules but it was a gutner. :wall

[GeordieGaz]

Re: Mucked Hand That is 100% correct wherever you play. Once the cards hit the muck then I'm afraid that's it. Simple solution though; never put your cards in the muck til the hand is finished, easy really. A lesson learnt the hard way I'd say. :ok

[Rovers4eva]

Re: Mucked Hand :) Yeah, it was just one of them times when you just automatically do something without even thinking. Definately a lesson learnt the hard way.:$ Something I definately wont be repeating next week in the GUKPT! :lol

[bignedkelly]

Re: Mucked Hand i should start by saying that im no expert - just offering my opinion i would have thought that once he said all in and you called IF you both turned your cards face up then thats you declared your hand to the dealer - and even if after the river you muck them they have been shown to the dealer so they are live - if not then how long do you need to keep your cards face up ???? surely if this is the rule it is open to be taken advantage of - any all in pot that you lose you simply wait till the other guy discards his cards and you take the pot

[wurzel133]

Re: Mucked Hand

i should start by saying that im no expert - just offering my opinion i would have thought that once he said all in and you called IF you both turned your cards face up then thats you declared your hand to the dealer - and even if after the river you muck them they have been shown to the dealer so they are live - if not then how long do you need to keep your cards face up ???? surely if this is the rule it is open to be taken advantage of - any all in pot that you lose you simply wait till the other guy discards his cards and you take the pot

But he mucked before the river

[bignedkelly]

Re: Mucked Hand so even if you have declared and shown your hand to the dealer - after both players are all in your hand can still be considered mucked if you discard it. wouldnt have thought that - but like i say im no expert

[dik9]

Re: Mucked Hand Once an all-in has been called, and cards are "on their backs" and tabled, they are live until the pot is awarded, they cannot be killed. (The player has no right trying to kill hands after they have been tabled, that is the dealers job)

[bignedkelly]

Re: Mucked Hand

Once an all-in has been called' date=' and cards are "on their backs" and tabled, they are live until the pot is awarded, [b']they cannot be killed. (The player has no right trying to kill hands after they have been tabled, that is the dealers job)

yes this is my understanding of the rule

[Rovers4eva]

Re: Mucked Hand

Once an all-in has been called' date=' and cards are "on their backs" and tabled, they are live until the pot is awarded, [b']they cannot be killed. (The player has no right trying to kill hands after they have been tabled, that is the dealers job)

So am I right in saying, that if your both all in, and both cards have been flipped on their backs, they cannot be mucked? So the pot should have been awarded to me?

[dik9]

Re: Mucked Hand Correct sir

[Danshot]

Re: Mucked Hand It happens to all us me included having hands killed. 1st hand of a live tourney had quad 9's bet the river didn't realise he raised me I turn over my cards immediately my hand dead despite stone cold nuts. I hate slow rolling. Another sick example is Roland De Wolfe in a sick hand against another top pro.

[dik9]

Re: Mucked Hand Danshot, Roland de Wolfe's hand is a completely different scenario, there wasn't an all-in and Roland had control over his cards and wished to muck rather than expose how crap they were. In your example of quad 9's there is no way your hand should be killed. http://ukpokerassociation.com/rules/tda-poker-rules-latest/ rule 42 In fact if you use any main set of rules they will all say similar, some may make your hand passive but to actually kill a hand sounds like an obscure house rule.

[glennop]

Re: Mucked Hand Had a different mucked hand situation last week in a player dealt game at G Casino Manchester, Blinds are pretty steep at 3K/6K and I am Big Blind. Folds to dealer who calls, Small Blind raises to 20K, I call then dealer pushes. Small Blind thinks for a while and folds. The dealer then mucks his cards not realising I'm still in the hand. I say I win the pot and TD is called over for a ruling. TD then decides the dealer gets back his all-in and I get what was in the pot before his all-in. I figured the whole pot was mine as his cards had been in the muck pile, but TD's decision is final. Was TD right to do this?

[dik9]

Re: Mucked Hand The dealer was facing a bet of 20k when he pushed therefore at least 20k should remain in the pot. As no one had called the all-in before he mucked then the TD should give the raise back to the player but he does forfeit the original call of 20k and his cards. http://ukpokerassociation.com/rules/tda-poker-rules-latest/ rule 39

[glennop]

Re: Mucked Hand

The dealer was facing a bet of 20k when he pushed therefore at least 20k should remain in the pot. As no one had called the all-in before he mucked then the TD should give the raise back to the player but he does forfeit the original call of 20k and his cards. http://ukpokerassociation.com/rules/tda-poker-rules-latest/ rule 39

Thanks for that m8, and thanks for the link. Essential reading I'd say. :ok