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  1. Re: Joe's Tips Lingfield: 1.40: IFFRAAJ This could be a Group horse running in a handicap after a comfortable victory in a Class 2 6f Sprint in March where he beat some very decent handicappers. Is clearly much better yet and ought his try in Group company, but its intresting connections are taking an advantage of his lenient mark and although he is not best drawn, will take a lot of beating today. Haydock: 1.50: GENGHIS A very progressive type who has been fast improving of late. Was off a mark of 105 in Feburary and now runs off 137 after winning a Class A Handicap Hurdle at Aintree and followed up that win in the Grade 2 Scottish Champion Hurdle. Beat Royal Shapespeare fairly comfortably that day and should beat him again today. More improvement is expected to come and will be very hard to beat. Warwick: 7.20: RIVER CITY Beat subsequent Arkle winner Contraband in October and followed up with a excellent 3rd in this years Arkle, disappointing on his last start but should be far too good for his six rivals today.

  2. Re: Shameful Haydock Plea Have a great day mate, hope you back some winners!:hope My NAP at Haydock is GENGHIS in 1.50 Race. All he does with every race is improve, he beat Royal Shakepeare fairly easily last time out who runs again here and he looks very hard to beat. Forecast Price: 100-30F

  3. Maybe this thread can be a Sticky? Draw Advantage: ASCOT: No significant advantage. AYR: In large fields over the straight course low numbers are favoured. BALLINROBE: High numbers best. BATH: Low numbers are favoured in races up to a mile. BELLESTOWN: Low numbers best. BEVERLEY: High numbers have an advantage in races up to one mile. Low on soft ground. BRIGHTON: In sprint races low numbers tend to have an advantage. CARLISLE: High numbers have an advantage in races up to a mile. CHEPSTOW: There is no significant advantage. CHESTER: A low draw and a fast start give a distinct advantage in sprints. CLONMEL: No Advantage. CATTERICK: Low numbers have an advantage in races up to seven furlongs. CURRAGH: Stalls stand side (Low), far rails (High) DONCASTER: High numbers usually best on straight course. DOWNPATRICK: No Advantage. DOWN ROYAL: IRE No Advantage. EPSOM: High numbers best over 5f and 6f, low numbers best from 7f to 1m 2f. FAIRYHOUSE: High best up to 1m. FOLKESTONE: High numbers greatly favoured at 5f and 6f. GALWAY: Low numbers best in 7 furlongs. GOWRAN PARK: No advantage. GOODWOOD: Low numbers best in sprints, though a fast start is equally important. HAMILTON: Middle to high numbers best in sprints, especially on soft ground. HAYDOCK: In 5f and 6f races on soft ground high numbers have an advantage. KEMPTON: High numbers usually best on round course, low numbers best in sprints. LAYTOWN: Low numbers tend to be best. LEOPARDSTOWN: High best in sprints. LEICESTER: High numbers best on the straight course. LIMERICK: High best in 6 furlongs. LINGFIELD: High numbers best in sprints. LISTOWEL: High numbers have a slight advantage. MUSSELBURGH: In races up to a mile high numbers are usually at an advantage. NAAS: Low best in sprints. NAVAN: Low numbers best. NEWBURY: High numbers best in large fields, especially in very soft ground. NEWCASTLE: Low numbers best on the straight course in soft or heavy ground. NEWMARKET: July Course - No significant advantage. NEWMARKET: Rowley Mile - Any advantage in the draw is dependent on the position of the stalls. NOTTINGHAM: The advantage of the draw is dependent on the position of the stalls. PONTEFRACT: Low numbers best in sprints. PUNCHESTOWN: High numbers best. ROYAL ASCOT: Draw no significant advantage. REDCAR: Middle to high numbers have a decided advantage on the straight course. RIPON: Low number draw favoured on the sprint course except when the going is soft or heavy. ROSCOMMON: No advantage. SALISBURY: Low numbers at an advantage in sprints when the going is soft. SANDOWN: High numbers best in sprints, especially in large fields on soft going. SOUTHWELL: 5f None, 6f Low best. THIRSK: High numbers best on the straight course, low numbers best at 7f & 1m. THURLES: No Advantage. TIPPERARY: Low best on the round course and middle numbers best over 5f. TRALEE: No advantage. WARWICK: Low numbers are favoured. WEXFORD: High numbers best. WINDSOR: High numbers hold a slight advantage in sprints. WOLVERHAMPTON: No advantage in the draw. YARMOUTH: High numbers best on the straight course, especially in large fields. YORK: Low to middle numbers best on the straight track, especially when soft going prevails.

  4. Re: Joe's Tips

    1st Bowleaze (IRE) 6A Thornton 13-8
    11 7R Alner
    Held up towards rear, headway from 7th, chased leader from 3 out, ran on to lead approaching last, kept on well Opened 15/8, touched 5/2 £1000-£400 each way, £2000-£1000, £800-£400, £750-£400, £1400-£800
    1st Fandani (GER) 5N Fehily 11-8
    10 12C Mann
    Held up in touch, headway after 6th, led on bit last and hit, ran on well Opened 11/10, touched 13/8 £650-£400(x2)
    Fell Tom Sayers (IRE) 7R Stephens(5) 13-8
    11 10P Hobbs
    Tracked leaders, led 14th, challenged when fell 3 out Opened 11/8, touched 7/4
  5. Wincanton 5.55: BOWLEAZE Has previously ran well over this Course & Distance when less than a length down to a very decent horse who went on to finish 5th in a Grade 3 contest and they both broke 18 lengths clear of the third Yes Sir who has since gone on to win a very competitive Class B Handicap Hurdle at Sandown. Since then Bowleaze hacked up over 3ms at Newbury and was made favourite in a Class B Hurdle at Cheltenham last month but was very disappointing. This race is much easier today as he takes a significant drop in grade and I expect him to win again. 6.55: FANDANI He ran very well on his debut over hurdles when a five length second to Cerium over Course & Distance in Feburary (Cerium has since gone on to finish 4th in the Grade 1 Triumph Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival) and more improvement is expected here and should win this weak race. 7.55: TOM SAYERS Very progressive type who just keeps on improving with every race and destroyed the opposition in a canter by 24 lengths over the same Course, Distance & Grade 19 days ago and as more improvement is expected of him, I just can't see him losing here.

  6. PREVIEW FROM USA's OFFICIAL THROUGHBRED HORSE RACING SITE: The first Saturday in May is just days away, and 20 colts are set to run for glory in the 2005 running of the Kentucky Derby. Always the most anticipated horse race of the year, this year’s field is very intriguing. Perhaps the most fascinating aspect of this year’s Derby is the runaway manner in which most of the big prep races were won. Here’s a quick rundown:

    11:04 20 run Kentucky Derby (Grade 1) (3yo) (3yo) Winner £853,958.001m2f
    No.FormHorseTrainerWgtJockeyRPR
    1(1)-111832:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=632035',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Sort It Out 14 B Baffert 39-0B Blanc
    2(2)31-3153:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=636161',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Andromeda´s Hero 21 N Zito 39-0R Bejarano
    3(3)133-114:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=606386',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Sun King 21 N Zito 39-0E Prado
    4(4)52-2112:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=635037',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Noble Causeway 35 N Zito 39-0Gary Stevens
    5(5)4-2131:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=636555',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Coin Silver 14 T Pletcher 39-0P Valenzuela
    6(6)11-12:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=633418',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>High Limit 21 beaten_favourite.gifR J Frankel 39-0R A Dominguez
    7(7)3-112:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=634697',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Flower Alley 21 T Pletcher 39-0b1J Chavez
    8(8)131-115:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=605475',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Greater Good 49 R Holthus 39-0John McKee
    9(9)5111:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=635668',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Greeley´s Galaxy 28 W Stute 39-0K Desormeaux
    10(10)132-324:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=615946',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Giacomo 28 J Shirreffs 39-0M E Smith
    11(11)11-1311:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=631731',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>High Fly 35 N Zito 39-0J D Bailey
    12(12)122-161:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=603411',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Afleet Alex 21 T F Ritchey 39-0J Rose
    13(13)21-1366:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=626135',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Spanish Chestnut 21 P L Biancone 39-0J Bravo
    14(14)431-343:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=598430',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Wilko 28 Craig Dollase 39-0C Nakatani
    15(15)6-1121:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=633018',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Bandini 21 T Pletcher 39-0J R Velazquez
    16(16)117-11:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=604859',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Bellamy Road 28 N Zito 39-0J Castellano
    17(17)11-2361:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=632181',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Don´t Get Mad 28 Ronald W Ellis 39-0T Baze
    18(18)1322-13:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=631729',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Closing Argument 21 K McLaughlin 39-0C Velasquez
    19(19)1-11275:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=633032',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Going Wild 28 D Wayne Lukas 39-0bJ Valdivia Jr
    20(20)14-1031:OWSize('RP_Popup','http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/racing_horse_form.sd?horse_id=633427',620,480,'no','yes','yes')'>Buzzards Bay 28 Jeff Mullins 39-0M Guidry
    Bellamy Road won the Wood Memorial by 17 lengths Greeley’s Galaxy won the Illinois Derby by 9 lengths Afleet Alex won the Arkansas Derby by 8 lengths Don’t Get Mad won the Derby Trial by 9 lengths Bandini won the Blue Grass by 6 lengths High Limit won the Louisiana Derby by 4 lengths Sun King won the Tampa Bay Derby by 3 lengths Coin Silver won the Lexington by 3 lengths Never have so many of the important Derby prep races been won by such massive margins. So what does it mean? Well, what it speaks to is the lack of depth in this year’s Derby field. Beyond the first seven or eight top horses, there really aren’t too many animals that appear ready to challenge for the bed of roses. In the last decade or so, Beyer Speed Figures have done a terrific job of helping handicappers decide which horses are capable of winning the Derby. In the last eleven years, the lowest pre-Derby Beyer run by the Derby winner was a 102. The average high pre-Derby Beyer of Derby winners from the past seven years is 107.7. For comparison, only two horses in this year’s field have run above that average, Bellamy Road with a whopping 120 and Afleet Alex with a nice 108. Six others have run higher than a 102, and perhaps most surprisingly, eleven of the twenty horses in this year’s Derby have yet to break the 100 Beyer mark. That statistic really shows the lack of depth the Derby boasts this year. Fortunately for every horse besides Bellamy Road, Beyers don’t mean everything, and there are a number of other considerations that go into creating a Derby winner. Because of the large number of horses in the Derby, it’s nearly impossible to win the race without a great trip. Many horses lose their chance to win before they know what’s happened as they are jostled and bumped going into and around the first turn. I’ll take all the factors into consideration as I examine each horse’s chances of winning the 2005 Kentucky Derby! Let’s start with the favorite and work our way down! Bellamy Road, Post Position 16, Morning Line 5/2, Trainer Nick Zito, Jockey Javier Castellano, Top Beyer: 120 Churchill_Downs_11k.jpg This magnificent looking son of Concerto is a very deserving favorite, and is receiving the backing of most of the respected race analysts. He’s run two races as a 3yo, winning an allowance by 16 lengths and the G1 Wood Memorial by 17 lengths. Those are the two largest 3yo Derby-prep winning margins by a Derby contender ever. The 120 Beyer he received in the Wood is the largest Beyer ever recorded by a Derby contender. If he repeats that race he is unquestionably your 2005 Derby winner. But it’s not that simple. He won both of his 3yo races while unchallenged on the lead. When a horse that is used to running alone on the lead is challenged early or has to run behind horses, no knows how it will react. As a 2yo, Bellamy Road was able to rate behind other horses in his first race, but in his third race he folded like a napkin in the G1 Breeders Futurity when he was challenged. The other question pertains to the fact that he only has two prep races as a 3yo going into the Derby. Historically, horses with only two races as a 3yo haven’t fared well in terms of winning the Derby. They typically lack the seasoning needed to compete in a field of 20 horses going a mile-and-a-quarter for the first time. Of course, there’s never been a two-prepper as talented as or as fast as Bellamy Road, so he may just be the one to break that trend. Bottom Line: If Bellamy Road is able to rate comfortably behind other horses and is able to deal with the large field, he’s your 2005 Kentucky Derby winner. Those two things occurring, however, are far from a lock. Afleet Alex, PP 12, ML 9/2, Timothy Ritchey, Jeremy Rose, Top Beyer: 108 Churchill_Downs_11o.jpg The likely second choice behind Bellamy Road, this horse is coming of a monster 8-length victory in the G1 Arkansas Derby, the same race that propelled Smarty Jones to Derby glory. Afleet Alex ran a very good 108 Beyer in that race and it stamped him as the clear-cut second choice behind Bellamy Road. And he is the opposite of his main rival in a two very important ways. The first is their difference in running style. Bellamy Road likes to run near the front while Afleet Alex prefers to be closer to the rear of the field. This could result in trouble for Afleet Alex. His jockey, Jeremy Rose, is a young rider in his first ever Kentucky Derby. In this horse’s biggest race as a 2yo, the Breeders Cup Juvenile, Rose took him 5-wide around both turns and probably moved a bit prematurely. That resulted in a second-place finish when he was probably the best horse in the field. There were only eight horses in that field, and there will be 20 in the Derby. The other difference between the two main favorites is one that favors Afleet Alex. Of the main contenders, he clearly has the most seasoning. He ran six times as a juvenile (with four wins and two seconds), and this will be his fourth race as a 3yo. Where another horse might freak out and lost interest if he got bumped a few times, Afleet Alex should be a pretty cool customer. Bottom Line: Despite the fact that he is well-seasoned and one of the fastest horses in the field, I am very scared at the thought of Jeremy Rose trying to navigate his way through a 20-horse field in his first Kentucky Derby. It’s very possible that Afleet Alex could be well wide on both turns, and it would take a freak of a horse to overcome that type of trip and win. If he does get a clean trip, he certainly has the speed and experience to win. Bandini, PP 15, ML 6/1, Todd Pletcher, John Velazquez, Top Beyer: 103 Churchill_Downs_11t.jpg Rounding out the clear-cut top three (at least in terms of probably odds) is Bandini, son of 2000 Derby winner Fusaichi Pegasus. After running only once as a juvenile, he has really strutted his stuff as a 3yo, winning three of four starts including a convincing 6-length victory in the G1 Blue Grass. Many people thought before the race that it was the top Derby prep, but the 103 Beyer that Bandini earned in victory was a lot slower than most people expected. That win was his first stakes victory, but it certainly won him over a lot of bettors. He sports one of the top trainer/jockey combinations in the Derby with Pletcher and Velazquez. One thing in his favor is that he has a lot of tactical speed, which means that he shouldn’t have too much trouble finding a good spot early in the race. Tactical speed has proven a key element for recent Derby winners, with both Smarty Jones and Funny Cide using terrific tactical speed en route to impressive Derby victories. The concerns with Bandini are that the Blue Grass came out a much slower race than people thought it would be, and the fact that his race pattern indicates that he might be a possible regression candidate. He had eight weeks off before the Blue Grass, and now he runs back only three weeks after that performance. Bottom Line: There isn’t a whole lot not to like about Bandini, from his great trainer and jockey to his impressive breeding to his dominating win in the Blue Grass. The main question to me concerns whether or not he will move forward from the Blue Grass and improve in the Derby. I have my doubts. High Fly, PP 11, ML 8/1, Nick Zito, Jerry Bailey, Top Beyer: 102 Churchill_Downs_11j.jpg One of Zito’s five entrants in the Derby, this one is probably the surest commodity of them all. After winning both his starts as a juvenile, he’s won three of four starts as a 3yo including impressive wins in the G2 Fountain of Youth and the G1 Florida Derby. He’s run two Beyer figures equal to or greater than 100, and in the Florida Derby it was clear that jockey Jerry Bailey didn’t ask him for run until deep stretch. Like Bandini, he has tremendous tactical speed, and breaking from the 11-post his Hall-of-Fame jockey should have him in excellent position going into the first turn. Many people say that he knows where the finish line is, which is to say that despite his somewhat slow wins, the important thing is that he seems to do only what he has to do to win. One cause for concern is his five-week layoff heading into the Derby, which history hasn’t worked very well. That could make him revved up at the start and hard-to-handle for Bailey, but with a great trainer like Zito (won the Belmont off five-weeks rest with Birdstone last year) I don’t think it will be a huge problem. Bottom Line: At his probable odds of 8/1 – 10/1, High Fly is a very safe bet to run in the top three. And if Bellamy Road doesn’t like being challenged early and Afleet Alex runs into traffic problems (both somewhat likely scenarios), High Fly could become the horse to beat in the stretch. Noble Causeway, PP 4, ML 12/1, Nick Zito, Gary Stevens, Top Beyer: 100 gulfstream_park_5o.jpg The third Zito horse we’ve discussed so far, Noble Causeway has become a bit of a wise-guy horse heading into the Derby. Despite the fact that he’s never won a stakes race, he’s displayed steady progression in each of his six career starts, culminating with his 2nd-place finish to stablemate High Fly in the G1 Florida Derby. That run earned him a career best 100 Beyer, and it’s not out of the question that he will improve again in the Derby. He is by red-hot first-year sire Giant’s Causeway and should have no problems with the mile-and-a-quarter distance. He likes to come from off-the-pace, and he should receive a good trip under the calm guidance of Gary Stevens. Bottom Line: While an improvement is likely, I would be very surprised if Noble Causeway won the Derby, but if he gets a great trip from Stevens I could see him plodding up for 3rd or 4th. High Limit, PP 6, ML 12/1, Bobby Frankel, Ramon Dominguez, Top Beyer: 105 Churchill_Downs_12a.jpg No horse has quite polarized handicappers and analysts like High Limit. After two sensational victories at Delaware Park as a juvenile, he romped to a 4-length victory in the G1 Louisiana Derby in his 3yo debut. He led from start-to-finish in all three of those races, which made people question whether he could comfortable rate behind other horses. In his final Derby prep, he looked very comfortable sitting behind Spanish Chestnut in the G1 Blue Grass, and moved by him around the final turn, but Bandini blew by both of them en route to his 6-length score. High Limit finished 2nd with a tepid 93 Beyer. So in one corner you have people that think his Lousiana Derby win was the product of a super-fast track at the Fair Grounds that day and believe the real High Limit showed up in the Blue Grass. On the other hand you have people who believe that every horse is allowed a clunker once in a while, and point to his 105 Beyer figure (4th among this year’s contenders) as proof that he has a chance of springing an upset. One thing that certainly won’t hurt him is Hall-of-Fame trainer Bobby Frankel. In addition, he drew a favorable post position and should get a nice spot under up-and-coming jockey Ramon Dominguez. Bottom Line: I believe that High Limit is capable of improving off his scintillating run in the Lousiana Derby, but the question is whether it will come in the Derby, especially since he only has four career starts to his resume. Reports are that he’s been training great and looks fantastic physically heading into the race, and I’d rate him just behind High Fly as the second-most-likely horse to win if the two favorites run into problems. Sun King, PP 3, ML 15/1, Nick Zito, Edgar Prado, Top Beyer: 104 Churchill_Downs_12d.jpg In my mind this is the hardest horse to handicap in the entire field. Up until Bellamy Road’s demolition of the Wood Memorial, Zito told anyone who would listen that Sun King was his top 3yo. Part of me wonders if he still believes that is true. After a very nice juvenile campaign that culminated with a 1-length loss in the Breeders Cup Juvenile, Sun King ripped off a 104 Beyer in his 3yo allowance debut. At that point he was Derby contender numero uno on most people’s lists. But then it started to get strange. His next start came in the G3 Tampa Bay Derby, a field which he towered over. Usually a stalker, Sun King went straight to the lead in that race, repulsed a challenge around the final turn, and won by a comfortable margin of 3 lengths. However, the final time was slow and he only earned a 91 Beyer. His backers insisted that he only did what he needed to in order to win, but then in his next start he ran even slower in the G1 Blue Grass, losing by 8 lengths with an 88 Beyer. Prado gave him an awful ride that day and Zito thought he didn’t handle the track, but that still doesn’t completely explain away his poor performance. Bottom Line: Once thought the top of the 3yo crop, Sun King’s last two performances have dropped him in most people’s eyes. That being said, his 104 Beyer to start the year shows that he’s fast enough on his day to run a big race in the Derby, and I will be playing this horse in exactas and trifectas. Greeley’s Galaxy, PP 9, ML 15/1, Warren Stute, Kent Desormeaux, Top Beyer: 106 Churchill_Downs_11b.jpg Three years ago War Emblem came into the Kentucky Derby off a 112 Beyer in the Derby, was completely ignored by the bettors (20/1), and cruised to a convincing score. Although Greeley’s Galaxy’s 106 Beyer in his 9-length Illinois Derby romp isn’t quite as impressive as the one that War Emblem put up, the lesson shouldn’t be lost on bettors. It does look, however, like this horse will go off somewhere in the vicinity of 20/1, and speed handicappers would be well-advised to put a few George Washington’s on him. One thing working against him is his lack of seasoning, as he didn’t run as a juvenile and he only has four races under his belt with the Illinois as his only stakes run. One also must consider that Stute has very little experience getting a horse ready for a huge race like this. He did draw a favorable post position and has very good tactical speed, so a clean trip might be in the offing. Bottom Line: If this horse was trained by a Zito, Pletcher, or Frankel he would be around 6/1 for the Derby. Yes he’s not very experienced, but neither are Bandini nor High Limit, and Greeley’s Galaxy has run faster than both of them. He could run in-the-money at a very nice price if Stute is able to get him ready for the race (not a small if). Those are the eight horses that I think have shots to win the 2004 Kentucky Derby, and now I am going to quickly discuss the other 12 competitors. Coin Silver, PP 5, ML 20/1, Todd Pletcher, Pat Valenzuela, Top Beyer: 99 Churchill_Downs_11n.jpgBottom Line: This horse is improving at the right time for Pletcher, but people seem split on whether his romp in the G2 Lexington was a result of the sloppy conditions (he’s bred to love the mud) or if he truly made a huge step forward and will move forward again. Even if you believe the latter of the two, I don’t think he’s fast enough to win the Derby. I could, however, see him improving enough to compete for 4th or maybe even 3rd. That’s still a long-shot though. Flower Alley, PP 7, ML 20/1, Todd Pletcher, Jorge Chavez, Top Beyer: 95 Churchill_Downs_11l.jpgBottom Line: This colt has a lot working against him, from his slow Beyers to his 8-length loss in the Arkansas Derby to his lack of experience (only four career races). I don’t see him being much of a factor in the Derby. Greater Good, PP 8, ML 20/1, Bob Holthus, John McKee, Top Beyer: 95 Churchill_Downs_11m.jpgBottom Line: Before his 12-length loss in the Arkansas Derby, this colt had won three straight slow stakes races and was getting a lot of support as a horse that only did what he needed to win. After that loss, most people jumped off his bandwagon, while some contended that he was washed-out and didn’t run like he could that day. I agree that he wasn’t his normal self in that one, but he’s still too slow to endorse for the Derby. Wilko, PP 14, ML 20/1, Craig Dollase, Corey Nakatani, Top Beyer: 98 wilko.jpgBottom Line: It’s hard to toss the 2004 Breeders Cup Juvenile Champion, but he simply hasn’t run fast enough to warrant consideration for the top spot. People love his grit and tenacity, but I’ll show you horses just as tenacious in allowance races. The Derby is about speed, and I don’t think he has enough to break into the trifecta. Buzzard’s Bay, PP 20, ML 20/1, Jeff Mullins, Marc Guidry, Top Beyer: 98 santa_anita_arc8e.jpgBottom Line: Winner of one of the slowest Santa Anita Derby’s of all time, Buzzards Bay has drawn one of the worst posts for the Derby. So far all of the successful California 3yo’s have lost badly in out-of-state Derby preps, and that doesn’t bode well for this horse’s chances. Don’t Get Mad, PP 17, ML 30/1, Ron Ellis, Tyler Baze, Top Beyer: 98 Churchill_Downs_11e.jpgBottom Line: Coming into the Derby off an unconventional one-week rest, Don’t Get Mad won last week’s Derby Trial in visually impressive (7-length) yet slow (98 Beyer) fashion. It’s very hard to see him improve much off that figure working on only one-week rest, and he will probably have a tough go of it on Saturday. Closing Argument, PP 18, ML 30/1, Kiaran McLaughlin, Cornelio Velasquez, Top Beyer: 98 Churchill_Downs_12c.jpgBottom Line: For those that want to bet Wilko to complete their trifecta or superfecta because of his grit, here’s a horse that has just as good a chance but is at much more appealing odds. Well seasoned, he’s never been out-of-the-money in 7 career starts, he beat High Fly to start the year, and he finished 3rd in the Blue Grass. He has little chance to win, but you could do a lot worse than throwing him in the bottom of your trifectas and superfectas. Sort it Out, PP 1, ML 50/1, Bob Baffert, Brice Blanc, Top Beyer: 96 Churchill_Downs_11a.jpgBottom Line: Baffert’s only Derby horse has fizzled in his last three starts after winning the Whirlaway at Aqueduct in February with a 96 Beyer. While he has zero chance to win and very little chance to finish top-three, he’s not much different to me than some of the 20/1 shots in here like Flower Alley and Buzzard’s Bay. Andromeda’s Hero, PP 2, ML 50/1, Nick Zito, Rafael Bejarano, Top Beyer: 94 Bottom Line: I’ve seen one highly respected analyst (Steve Haskin) touting this horse as a possible bomb for the exotics, but I really can’t see it. He couldn’t even finish top-three in a weak allowance in February, and he lost to Afleet Alex by 9 lengths in the Arkansas Derby. His pedigree is loaded with stamina, however, and if the race completely falls apart on the front end I suppose it’s conceivable he could plod up to fill out the superfecta. Giacomo, PP 10, ML 50/1, John Sheriffs, Mike Smith, Top Beyer: 98 Churchill_Downs_12e.jpgBottom Line: Unsuccessful in four California stakes races, I find it very hard to see him challenging for a top-five finish in the Derby. He might be the second-best California horse in the race (after Wilko), but that only means he might finish 10th instead of 16th. Spanish Chestnut and Going Wild Churchill_Downs_11h.jpgBottom Line: I am lumping these two California rabbits in together because they probably will finish right next to each other at the back of the pack. Spanish Chestnut is being entered to try and disrupt Bellamy Road early in the race, and Going Wild, well, I really have no idea why he was entered. Neither horse has run higher than an 81 Beyer in their most recent two starts. Summary: If all of those horses run to form I think the top three finishers will be Bellamy Road, Afleet Alex, and High Fly, in that order. However, as I detailed earlier, Bellamy Road could fold under early pressure from a number of speedy challengers, and Afleet Alex could suffer a bad ride from first-time Derby jockey Jeremy Rose. If both those things occur, look for High Fly, High Limit, Sun King, Bandini, and Greeley’s Galaxy to contest the top three spots. For those that insist on predictions, here’s my gut instinct on the top five: 1) High Fly 2) Afleet Alex 3) High Limit 4) Bellamy Road 5) Sun King
  7. Re: Joe's Placepots 4 winners today at Chester 10-3, 11-2, 7-1 & 4-9. What I'll do is, I'll close this thread and make another thread called 'Joe's Selections' and everyday I'll post my best fancies for the day and also give my thoughts and comments about them. I'll start that thread tonight and I will still put my placepot selections in them.

  8. Re: Joe's Placepots Placepots at Chester & Wetherby. Chester: 1.30: Maraahel 2.00: Mostashaar 2.30: Hattan 3.00: Westbrook Blue 3.35: Mountain High 4.10: Emerald Lodge Wetherby: 5.50: Mr Mischief 6.25: Selection is non-runner, goes on favourite 6.55: Mister Mustard 7.25: Feel The Pride 7.55: The Butterwick Kid 8.30: Mr Bigglesworth Edit becuase my selection was non-runner in 6.25 at Wetherby and now goes on the favourite.

  9. Re: Joe's Placepots 4 Placed today. 1.30: STRIKE UP THE BAND = 2ND @ 10-11F 2.00: ALUMNI = WON @ 15-8 F 2.30: COCONUT BEACH = UNPLACED BALYAN = UNPLACED 3.00: ZONERGEM (Will pop up at a big price soon!) 3.35: QUIZZENNE = WON @ 13-8 F 4.10: RIVER KINTYRE = WON @ 6-5F Three winners and a second. 50% Strike Rate from me..6/12 have WON! I will do more than one placepot tomorrow, Chester and another meeting.

  10. Re: Hunter Chase Season Hi Striker Sleeping Night won the Foxhunters At Cheltenham, he proberly is a Class A horse now and I find it unfair that horses with his ability including Foly Pleasant should be allowed to run in it. I believe only horses that have ran in PTP's and Hunter Chases should be allowed to run in it and not horses who have ran at a Professional Class A level who still retain that ability. I think connections of Sleeping Night stole the race away from its tradition and made the race their own. I think the rules should be changed so that we see a real Foxhunter Champion and not a horse. who is completly different class to these Class H horses. What do you think mate?

  11. Re: Joe's Placepots In the Chester Cup, unfortunatley my two horses Balyan and Coconut Beach failed to stay and wen't Placed:cry :cry :cry Balyan was going very well coming round the home turn and proberly looked the likely winner, but he weakened finished about 8th. Sorry people, I'll post my Placepot up for tomorrow at Chester sometime Tonight.

  12. Re: Joe's Placepots Lets hope we can go one better and win the Chester Placepot: 1.30: Strike Up The Band 2.00: Alumni 2.30: Coconut Beach & Balyan 3.00: Zonergem 3.35: Quizzene 4.10: River Kintyre 1x1x2x1x1x1 = 2 Bets to £1 Stake = Total Cost £2

  13. Re: Joe's Placepots Won £85 on Placepot at Newmarket on Saturday and almost struck again today with an unlucky 5 out of 6 on the Exeter Placepot. I feel another win coming soon though and its only a matter of time, hopefully tomorrow at Chester. 5.45: Spiders Web = UNPLACED Castle Boy was a non-runner so my second selection went on the favourite and fav was Alessandro Severo and WON at 7-4F 6.15: GLOBAL CHALLENGE = 2ND @ 9-2 The fooking stupid idiotic race that let me down 6.45: SURE FUTURE = PULLED UP GENERAL O'KEEFE = PULLED UP 7.15: DANGEROUSDANMAGRU = WON @ 9-2 EGGMOUNT = UNPLACED 7.45: SMART CAVALIER = 3RD @ 6-5F 8.15: Selection was non-runner so horse went on favourite and ITSMYBOY = WON @ 7-4F PLACEPOT PAYED TO £1 STAKE = 155.20 but I had it to 50ps so 155.20/2 = £77.60 BUT I DIDN'T WIN BECUASE I GOT 5 OUT OF 6, JUST SHOWING YOU HOW MUCH PLACEPOT PAYED TO MY STAKE. Be back later for tomorrows placepot at CHESTER

  14. Everyday I will post my placepots in this thread, today I am doing Exeter Placepot. Exeter Placepot: Due to the change in going from Good-To-Soft to Heavy, some horses have been withdrawn including two of my selections. 5.45: Spiders Web & (Castle Boy is a Non-Runner?) If Spiders Web is the favourite, then I will have two lines on that horse, but if he is not favourite, then my second selection will go on the favourite. 6.15: Global Challenge 6.45: Sure Future & General O'Keefe 7.15: Dangerousdanman & Eggmount 7.45: Smart Cavalier 8.15: My selection is now a Non-Runner so I'm automatically on the favourite. 2x1x2x2x1x1 = 8 Bets, 50p stake, 8 divide 50 = Total Cost £4

  15. Re: Dave's Flat Bets Hey Dave!! Joe from EBA here, some great work you doing mate. Regarding the people on EBA just listing their selections, It would be nice if they tell us how they approched their fancy. I have just started from yesterday listing comments about the horses I fancy as you can see in my placepoit threads and I will continues to do the same. I feel that EBA is quite dead, as most of the certain forums on there are non-contributional eg: The Chit-Chat section. And the Admin Mabbs is not on there alot and he is not really helping the forum as an Admin should.

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