aliensyndm
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Re: Another Hand for you to decide on? OK I'll run the risk of a bunch cnuts telling me to shut up and give you my views. Firstly I wouldn't get carried away raising hands like 66 too often. It can be good once in a while for deceptive purposes, but unless you hit a 6, you're gonna be beaten most of the time, especially if there is more than 1 person in. You wanna get in cheap with these hands and hit your six, if Q , K or A flops etc you'll get action off that and get paid. OK I don't know anything about the people you were playing against, so some assumptions will have to be made but anyway... The re-raise to 5 is an indication of a pretty strong hand. Straight away I would be thinking AA KK or QQ. Possibly AK but it's much more like to be one of the other three I would have said. OK you get your 6, it's gonna be pretty hard to get off this hand now, especially heads up. OK he bets $10. Now think bank to what I said he may have before. $10 is a pot sized bet here, if he had AA or KK it's the kind of bet he would make. Now QQ is a possible hand he could have, going from his preflop raise, BUT, the advantage of postion shows here......you would perhaps expect him if he has flopped QQQ to check that, rather than bet it. This would lead me to believe he does not have QQ, the hand I would be most concerned about. Is the person a loose player ? Would he re-raise you pre-flop with AK or AQ ? If so the AQ would also bet 10, an AK may bet 10 trying to bluff acting like he had KK or AA as well. A loose player may also have re-raised with JJ, but for the same reasons you would expect a check rather than a pot sized bet. In short the person is likely to play AQ, KK, AA , possibly even AJ the same way. He's gonna play QQ or JJ differently. Notice how though that having better position you get a good indication of which he has for free, ie bet = AA or KK, check = QQ (or JJ) Bearing that in mind indeed I would have raised his inital bet, as you did and would have shoved my whole stack in on that as well. Now you said he deserved to win it, no he didn't. All the money on the hand went in when you were ahead. Only a little money went in when you were behind. He caught a king, it's a piggy, but it's the way it goes.
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Re: In another MTT final ATM.....
For fcuk sake, and saying ooo when it came up I :nana :nana :nana isn't childish ? I made a joke meant in good humour there. Get over it.Childish tw@ -
Re: In another MTT final ATM..... Like I said before, fold AK :lol
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Re: My Play with JACKS No comment.
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Re: In another MTT final ATM..... Nice one dude. Some advice. See if you got AK right......and the flop comes AJx....you know the rest :lol
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Re: Argument hand Ooooohhhh what alot to reply to.... Ok equinoxx I'll start with you,
Ok so what if the turn or river was an ace ? It's not helped you has it ? My raise was wanting called from a hand like AK. That's why I did it, to make sure my chips were in when i was ahead, which I was 96% sure I was. You look at the position and assess risk etc, and how the betting has gone. Committing your whole stack so early on , on a "draw" is pretty bad poker I would say. Did you think you were behind but hoped for an ace or king to come out ? If so that's very poor play. If you called because you thought you were beating me well I would say that is bad judgement and assessment of the situation, next time perhaps you'll play it differently. You think I made an awful raise there then ? Well sorry but find me a poker player worth his salt and ask him and see if they think it's an awful raise. You still did say "who won the pot", regardless of when you said it. As if that justifies the call. I was still talking about the hand yeah, but people kept replying. I said awful call, everyone said it wasn't so I replied trying to explain why. Why is that such a bad thing ? Why am I being so heavily criticised for it ? Don't forget there's every chance someone has folded the other three kings pre-flop or just there, you can't assume cos everyone is out the kings(or aces) are still in ! And now Gett1n....Why doesn't anyone realise I had the highest pair with an ace kicker and there were two more cards yet to be drawn. Poker is all about risk and that is what I played. I don't like having to explain my actions but that is the way I play I felt there was either going to be another Ace or King coming out due to there only being one other person still in. He raised and tried to get me to fold and I didn't so technically the real 'awful call' was Alien raising to try and get me to fold.
I have explained this above. That is because people kept saying it was the right call and I was trying to explain no it wasn't, and they wouldn't listen. Notice these people are all rather silent now, funny that. Not once did I mention "percentages" or "odds" or read some books etc. I simple said awful call, and then try to explain why. What would you have me say ? Ooh well I'm not too sure that was the best course of action. Awful call, explains it well. No subtlety, simple as.a) Alien was not giving constructive advice he was bleating like a baby about percentages and awful calls. The whole of the table took exception to his attitude because of his manner. Trying to justify this as 'constructively trying to help' after the event is a poor attempt to cover up a grumpy strop. As equinoxx said - he wouldn't let it drop for ages.
My commentary was correct. This was shit play. If someone has AA you are getting called of course. Do you expect someone with 10,10 or JJ even QQ to call ? Perhaps. Depends how highly you rate your opposition. Some munter could have AK suited or even AQ suited and think wow great and call you, and there's a 1 in 4 chance your tournament is over, with blinds at 10 and 20. Do you still think it is so smart ? I suppose it depends on your opposition. I for one would still not want to be called with AK or any ace for that matter for all my chips so early on.b) Alien often comments on other peoples play. I remember going 'all in' UTG on KK early in one of the PL tourneys. I got no callers and showed my cards. Aliens comment was "Shit play". In other words this is typical of his commentary.
Ok there's a few key fact you have neglected to mention here gett1n. 1. You came and started boasting how you were so much better than me a the table I was playing at, even though you weren't even playing at this table. You were insulting to me then. Of course this does not get mentioned. 2. The reason I asked you to read Jezza's post again is because I think you have mis-interpreted what he said, and now as he has posted again and outlined what he meant, it turns out that yes you did. So I think it was fair enough of me to request you do that, as you were using one of his comments saying "for the record" to me. 3. You are right there is no point arguing with me. You ignore all my points, as do alot of people. You still can't acknowledge you misinterpreted jezza's post, were the one who started insulting me even though you weren't at the same table or the fact my comment about the play was correct.e) Read my first posts on this thread. They are constructive and not argumentative at all. Then see how Alien turns it into an argument and you will get the flavour of what happened at the table. I haven't bothered with reading Jezza's post again - not because I might have misunderstood - but because there is no point arguing with Alien about anything. It would carry on for pages and pages and pages and I just don't see the point (Plus I would get the blame).
I still regard it as friendly at the moment. Has it turned sour ? A tantrum was not thrown, a tantrum is of the sort - how the fcuk can you call that ? Oh my god worst player I've ever seen ? What the **** you doing on this table ? Man you must lose LOADS of cash playing like that etc. I simple said awful call, people said no it was right call. I tried to explain why I thought it was awful. Did I once call equinoxx a prick or insult him in anyway ? Nope. Which is typical of a "tantrum".c) The PL tourneys are supposed to be a friendly, banter filled tourney. It was not the place for tantrums - which is what was thrown.
No, I used you insulting me at the table you werent even playing on when I wasnt even talking to you as you getting personal first if you wanna do a "you started it" kinda thing. The reason I said this, someone said that most people here would have called. I maybe dilluding myself but I think there are some decent players here and I don't think most people would have called. I like to think a fair portion of them wouldn't have. If most people here would have called, that's the reason they work 9-5. It's not meant as an insult. They do something I couldn't. I couldn't work 9-5. This is digressing a bit though I think. It was merely a "if everyone would have called, that's why they can't play well" kinda statement.d) Aliens comment about people working from 9 to 5 for a living was another theme of the comments made at the table. This provoked a jokey response from me and a few others which Alien is now trying to use as me getting personal first :lol - I didn't even start that vein of conversation - I just happened to have a corking put down! :tongue2
Unfortunately I haven't rammed anything down anyone's throat for quite a while. Everyone was telling me it was the right call, I was begging to differ and trying to explain why. Exactly how is this ramming down throats ? I don't care if 100% of PL agree or disagree with me. I'll say what I think until I'm unable to do so. Obviously any comments about play from me do not seem to be welcome so I said I shall refrain from such things and be careful what I post in this forum. People don't always ask when they want advice. Is this a don't speak unless spoken to kinda thing ? I was just commenting on some play.f) When people want advice they will ask for it - they don't want it rammed down their throats. I often ask Jezza how he would have played a hand if he watches me because I respect his ability and the way he instructs. Alien might be a cracking player but his way of showing it isn't they way I want to hear it - and judging by everyones reaction to his manner at the table 95% of PL members seem to agree.
I'm not off my head, I'm just here standing my corner like anyone else. Please dispense with the ooooo don't blame me again attitude etc. It's not about blame. Perhaps I should not have named the thread argument hand :lol I see this as a discussion, not an argument. Some things are open to debate, does so and so paint nice pictures. Is so and so asthetically pleasing to the eye ? Was such a call/fold a good one or a bad one ?Whilst other things are black and white, good call/bad call whichever way you look at it. I believe this to be the latter and was jsut saying why, despite everyone telling me at the time, it was the opposite.Lastly - this isn't even my argument. I just posted (what I thought) to be a very reasonable answer on this thread and old Alien went off his head (AGAIN). Please don't try and make me the bad guy again because that old chestnut of me being to blame for every altercation is getting very tiring. Like I say - please go back to page one and see my first two posts and the smiley emoticons and you will see this thread turned into an argument because someone else was gunning for one - not me. -
Re: Argument hand Erm you were saying "for the record" etc to me about something you have mis-read. I was pointing out you mis-understood what he said. Of course you have ignored this just like every other point. Fine shall we now close this thread then ?
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Re: Argument hand Ah so you did read and understand what jezza meant properly this time then gett1n but failed to admit your mistake ? Every other point I have made has also been ignored. Noticing a trend here.
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Re: Argument hand Yes very true, but as I have already mentioned this was right at the beginning with blinds at the minimum. Be plenty more chances to get the majority of your chips in when you are more confident about being in front. Had this happened at a different stage of a tournament, then it is a different matter entirely. But in my description of the hand I stated the blind sizes and the relative chips stacks which I think you have to take into consideration.
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Re: Argument hand
Ha ha, very funny etc etc. If I were childish I could reply with who won the tournament ? :zzzHey Alien.. I have this question that is just simmering inside me and I need to know right now... Who won the pot!?!?!?!?!? -
Re: Argument hand
gett1n you are misunderstanding what jezza is saying. He is saying if he had AK he would have probably just flat called my bet of 110 and called my bets all the way down to the river. He is not saying he would have called with the AK after my all in raise.Ermmm - read your quote, then read Jezza's quote. One answers the other. Simple really. -
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Quote:Originally Posted by aliensyndm He said he could forgive someone for going broke with it there, highly different to saying he might have called as well, so why don't you re-read his post ?
Just for the record. yes gett1m, as I said i would be alot more wary of a flat call than a raise. Hence my play then may have been different. What is your point ?Originally Posted by Jezza As for the AK well I would probably just have called you down if I had had that. -
Re: Argument hand Equinoxx I'm not having a pissy fit over any player or anything. I'm going to keep my mouth shut from now on. People here obviously find advice threatning. I said 2 words, awful call and have been criticised for saying them ever since. The statements such as "it was the right call", "there was a good chance a king would come up" and "who won the pot?" are all conviently ignored. All the people claiming it was the right play are suddenly very silent. I may also add at one point in the tournament, I cant remember who it was, it may have been equinoxx again I cant really remember. Someone had called for 100 chips I think it was, I go all in to 700, was just me and him left. He then calls my 700 and flips over K6. Before the flop even hits I say that's an awful call. The cards come out and indeed I won that pot. But everyone appears to have forgotten about that one of course.:zzz
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Re: Argument hand Gett1n you made plenty such remarks about me at the poker table last night, which you have convienently failed to mention.Your knowledge of what I do and own is also bordering on stalkerish, or perhaps it is just that you don't actually know. I set myself high standards, to me that's an awful call. Perhaps to you it isn't. Jezza whilst a good player is not the last word on poker and just cos he says something doesn't make it correct anyway. I am not cherry picking. He said he could forgive someone for going broke with it there, highly different to saying he might have called as well, so why don't you re-read his post ? Call it whichever way you want gett1n, you basically came on and said I am so well mannered, I take bad beats so well, whereas you don't, you are a dick etc , rather personal as well. Yet of course still missing the fact I wasn't moaning about the bad beat. You are correct I won't be commenting from now on, I will keep my posting in this forum to a minimum now as I won't be commenting on anyone's play. Don't worry though I'm not gonna throw my toys and my pram and say I'm not posting anymore etc boo hoo de hoo :\ That would be silly now wouldn't it ?
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Re: Argument hand Fair enough staff. I must admit to finding one aspect of gambling and the like strange though - People will look round the shop for can of beans that in 2p cheaper. They will check if they can get a better deal by a 10er on a computer in another shop. They will go to all sorts of lengths to make sure they get the best deal and don't get ripped off. Yet they are quite happy to throw their money away on things like poker and other forms of gambling knowing little about how or why they lose. That's not a dig at you saying you always lose btw, but just a point I find strange somehow. Also seein as this is a poker forum the idea was to learn remember ? I was only trying to help, yet been shot down for being a cnut.
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Re: Argument hand That is why the majority of people in here work 9-5 for money , staff. Yes jezza exactly as I said, I would have expected a set to call and been slightly more wary of just a flat call. A raise led me to believe I am up against someone drawing hearts or another ace, the latter which I am beating. The former which I am gonna give sh!t odds for drawing with my raise. Oh of course I got unlucky, you know I know that. But Im getting crucified for pointing out what I see as a bad play. Not cos I lost the pot, cos I thought the idea was to help people improve. Similarly I want people to help my play by pointing out errors I make. C'mon people, come and tell me it was the right call. Where are you all now ? Silence from them all of a sudden. It's for such a small pot, you can still easily get off the hand having only put 230 chips into that pot. I for one would have folded AK against an all in raise. Oh and jez, the chances of AK winning are slightly different to the chances of a king coming up ;)
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Re: Argument hand I've been playing cards on and off for years actually. Gett1n you are very keen on telling me what I own and what I have been doing and what I have done considering you actually know very little about me. I haven't played poker seriously for that long. But long enough to know. You talk yourself up very much but judging by your depresser ramblings in GC you still aren't very happy with yourself, anwyay.... Well looks like I am in the wrong forum, I thought the idea of this forum was to discuss such things etc, so everyone improves their play and gets better and so on. I see now mentioning bad plays are obviously frowned upon and shouldn't be done. Hmm so exactly how is anyone supposed to learn ? Also you seem to forget, not once did I moan about the bad beat , I pointed out the bad play. I didn't say "oh my god can't believe you won that" etc or anything to the like, I said it was an awful call, nothing more. To which I got an onslaught of munter like retorts. Stafford I don't need lessons in how to take a bad beat, I've had them a million times, alot worse than that one. People miss my point though. I'll refer you to one of my posts in another thread. The people that really know what they are doing are always willing to learn and always wanting to improve, as am I. If you see me do something which you think is a bad play, I wanna know about it ! But then we have the arrogant people who say no it was the right play, refuse to accept they have done anything wrong, and start criticising me for moaning about a bad beat(even though I havent done this) when I thought the whole idea of this was for some friendly play and to help everyone improve their game. I wanna improve my game too. That's why I am here. If you are just here to make munter calls and not to try and learn fine, I shall not comment on any plays I see. There seems to be a distinct lack of "it was the right play" brigade on here now, I wonder why.
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Re: Argument hand Oh you mean people that moan about things like bad beats ? Not that you would ever post anything like that in a thread eh ?
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Re: Argument hand I haven't said who the person was. Of course it wasn't likely a king would come out.The chances of a king coming are around 14%, nevertheless this comment was made by the person who won the pot.
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Re: Argument hand I'm not annoyed about the call, or about losing the pot. Believe me I have seen it all before. I commnented that it was an awful call. To which people said "no it was the right call", "who won the pot?", "there was a good chance a king would come out." Of course I want people to make those calls when playing me. It's just that in PL tournie I expected a little better than such stupid statements and down right refusal to believe they made a bad play even though it won them the pot. I'll wait on the "it was the right play" brigade to come and argue their point. Also I do a few things in PL tournie I never do when playing "properly", one is sometimes show winning hands. I'll never do that normally, why give anyone information on how you play, always keep them guessing. I will never comment on awful play from people either, I want them to play awfully, so why alert them to it ? Seeing as this is a PL tournie etc I wasn't taking it seriously hence I did comment on this hand. But judging by the ignorant replies next time I'll not bother and let them play bad poker.
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Ok blinds at are the minimum , ie 10 and 20 I think. Most people are around their starting stack of 1500 I limp in with AJ, there's no pre-flop raises. There's a few other callers. Flop comes AJx with 2 hearts. The pot is 120 I think. I bet 110 at this pot(perhaps should have bet more), the guy to my left raises to 220. All folds round to me. OK so I scratch my heard. I think he's either drawing hearts or has an ace. I think with a set I would be flat called. Rightly or wrongly this was my reasoning. I raise all in for another 1250 or so. He calls, his entire stack. He turns over AKo. Of course the river is a king and I lose. People may say yeah but lucky flop etc, remember I put 20 in to see the flop when I was behind, and my entire stack in when I was ahead. I would argue that to commit your entire stack to such a small pot when there has been 5 people or so in the pot hence a good chance someone is beating you is a poor call. In the reverse position I would not have called an all in. Upon me commenting it was a bad call the player made the statements "look who won the pot?" and "there was a good chance a king would come out as everyone else had folded" I would say it's a classic example of falling in love with your pretty hand and not being able to get off it. Some people maybe able to see why it was called, it's a hard hand to get off AK when there is an ace out. I still maintain it was a dodgy call. I could also make the point, had the person being paying attention to the poker forum he would know I don't play rag aces so it's unlikely I would have had that, the only hand he is beating. Had I been playing a suited ace I would only have raised all in with 2 pair anyway. Had I a hand like AQ there's I would be wary of a raise and I wouldnt be committing my whole stack to it. Anyway that's my 2p worth. I do believe the entire table except one person said the AK call was the right play.
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Re: Poker Tournament ~ *Tonight 8pm* OK so it just me who has been booted off the server and cant get back on ?
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Re: NBA Picks, Friday So erm how come detroit hasn't started yet ? Well it hasnt on CBS anyway.
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Re: NBA Picks, Friday Well im not getting a reply etc etc so looks like he may well be. Whether or not they will accept the bet now, hmmm.
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Re: NBA Wednesday Chicago :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall The one thing happened I didnt want. I bet them at -3.5 Had I waited a while, I could have had -3 or even -2.5 at pinnacle. And of course they decide to win by 3. Great :wall :wall :wall :wall :wall