LeMale

What I meant was that horses are being entered into races by trainers knowing full well that they are going to underperform despite them looking to be the best-form horse in the race.  If the @Zilzalian formal racing terminology dictates that I should call it "race cheating" then so be it.  No doubt you will criticise me down the line for saying "race cheating" at some time in the future.

Sir Mark Prescott will often run his 2 year olds 3 times over 5 furlong trips  .They are usually bred for 10f plus so consequently hardly ever get placed .Gets them a handicap mark for when they run up a sequence in 3 year old handicaps . Plenty of 7f races for 2 year olds which would be more suitable for these horses but thinks long term . Smart planning ? Cheating the system?  which is it ?

Race fixing is a totally different action 1 horse can't fix a race nor can one trainer, in a 10 horse race 9 horses would have to be stopped (fixed) to fix a race. handicapping lends itself to cheating not race fixing, know the difference.

So begs the question why do you bet on handicaps? I agree with @LeMale there seems to be a bit more effort in this and racing league, your comments show a naivety in betting on horses because you may call it race fixing but if you had a "moderate"horse and it won 5 on the bounce it probably wouldn't win again for the rest of its career it would be that high in the handicap so what do you actually expect owners/trainers to do? no one i fixing the race they are manipulating the handicap because they have no choice. knowing about the handicap system is in itself a tool. Every one of us has said "that was dodgy or that wasn't right" knowing full well that we were probably right and yes it is annoying but that's the added risk of betting in handicaps. if everything was dead straight would all the favs win? the only "accurate" racing from a punters point are the pattern races. Stop blaming everything else if your selection doesn't win just move on to the next selection or pack up and go home there is always tomorrow. the only punter that doesn't think a particular race is fixed is the one on the winner all the punters on the losers have all been had over if you believe the noise.

I get you; I’m sure some of that is entirely random but I certainly wouldn’t suggest the game is entirely straight or, at least, that everything is being done in plain sight. Maybe there genuinely might be an angle in finding some trainers who have a better record with their “second best” selections than their more favoured ones. Not sure if that can be gleaned from the data available to you guys.

Haha, after recording and posting up all my results over the past four years I find it highly amusing to find that I could be considered not to be a punter.  I thought I had the accolade for being PL's Mug Punter of the Year for three years on the trot.

Genuinely confused by that but happy to acknowledge I’m not much of a racing punter. I’d have thought that most of the “fixing” or sleight of hand being carried out was being done with a view to getting one over on the bookies or the rest of the punting community.
I’m not sure that it’s such shenanigans as that which prevents you or me from making a profit on the gee gees and putting Fred, Paddy, Vic and co out of business.

I haven't misunderstood.  I reckon there is a lot of race-fixing going on everywhere.  It has to be that way or all the bookies would be broke.  🙂

I don't recall saying anything about dodgy jockeys or trainers at these events.  You are most welcome to these types of races.  Oddly enough I backed Ribkana with David Allan aboard in the 5.02 at Redcar as I fancied Tim Easterby would win the race.  It came 11th at 7/2 whilst his other runner Pete The Brief won at 12/1.  Nothing dodgy with racing is there?

Ascot 3.20 Fax Tal 18/1  EW bet365

RD17:35 Visitant 19 365

6.07 Ayr wee fat mac 8/1 e/w bet365 

18.07  ayr   Wee fat mac   8/1  b.vic

Menindee 19.25 Kilbeggan
8/1 Paddy Power - EW

Going to disagree again. I hear punters complain (and you yourself) about dodgy trainers and jockeys not giving their all in certain handicaps, trying to get their marks down for other targets, but Racing League and this, to an extent, have horses declared to try and win and jockey's trying ALL THE WAY TO THE LINE and not giving up, because there are points at stake. I believe they are some of the most honest handicaps there have ever been and i've picked quite a few winners over both RL meetings and 2 winners and some places today. I don't think there were any shocks at Ascot today, just competitive racing for the most. 

Going to disagree again. I hear punters complain (and you yourself) about dodgy trainers and jockeys not giving their all in certain handicaps, trying to get their marks down for other targets, but Racing League and this, to an extent, have horses declared to try and win and jockey's trying ALL THE WAY TO THE LINE and not giving up, because there are points at stake. I believe they are some of the most honest handicaps there have ever been and i've picked quite a few winners over both RL meetings and 2 winners and some places today. I don't think there were any shocks at Ascot today, just competitive racing for the most. 

Haha, no i'm not that devious (or clever) as proved by not understanding what you were getting at. I'm all for a bit of banter and rib-sticking, but i find it hard to do it on here where i don't actually know people, some might take offence or class it as cyber-bullying (if i've used that right) So no "putdown" was intended and thanks for explaining. 

Sorry, I confused things by quoting two different people. I’m assuming it’s not what you meant but it amused me that you could read the reference to “punters and you” as implying that you don’t regard Mr E as a punter. It would have been a delightfully waspish putdown if it was what you meant.
For the avoidance of doubt I’m not casting aspersions on anyone’s status as a punter, I just enjoyed the potential interpretation of the comment.

Sorry "H" i think i'm having a moment...What? Yes, i bet on horses (makes me a punter) What are you overthinking?

By way of a top tip on adding formatting to a partial quote I don't think he was suggesting that you made such a comment about that type of event so much as racing generally. I have no idea whether that's a fair comment so feel free to refute yet again but I think the meaning was pretty clear.
I love the notion of that being a subtle dig implying you're not a punter but sometimes I tend to overthink what people mean! 

Don't know what to make of that... So i'll assume you have mis-understood. 

N/R 
1945 N - Eponina @ 20-1 ew Bet365 (oddschecker has 22-1 but on Bet365 it's 20-1 just to let you know)

You have two runners in the 1410 at Thrisk.

Sorry, the top one is my nap, not part of the lucky 15

2.40 Nottingham As If By Chance 8/1 WH
All the best.