Royal Ascot Weds 17th June

[mowgli77]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June Ascot 5.30 Another 2 horses running in this race that I saw during the Dante meeting and noted as ones to follow later on. They are Photographic and Moonlife and both finished 2nd last time out at York. Photographic was unbeaten when it got to York, there was a lot of money for it and it seemed well fancied, came there looking like the winner but was caught by the fast finishing Brief Encounter. Dropped back to 7f that day yet its 2 wins had come over 1m, back up 1f to that 1m trip today and every chance again. Moonlife was 2nd in a listed race at York on gd-sft ground. Previous to that it was 2nd in a Group 3 and 5th in a Group 2 and had won at Kempton, all those races over 7f. Stepped up to 1m for the York race and only lost by a head so should get the 1m no problem. Stable form is a worry but that was also the case at York. Suggested Bets: 5pts EW Photographic11/2 >Bet365 BOG 5pts EW Moonlife 10/1 Stan James Both 1/4 odds first 4

[ken678]

Re: HELP!!!! Where I am meant to post ...... Thanks - will no doubt find my way around in due course!!! You'll be old one day :) Thanks. Just in case I dont find it in time : Say No Now Say No Now Ascot 5.30 Respectable form and a reasonable weight and another being nibbled at. I also think the high(ish) draw is a benefit - even though there is said to be no advantage at Ascot

[ken678]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June Say No Now

[welshman443]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June

Say No Now

hi ken,hope your horse runs well for you mate but you really need to give a reason why you picked your horse and maybe you should take your time and read the rules --:ok

[mowgli77]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June Cheers Welshman. :ok I've been trying to help Ken out in another thread he started, new to us and Sports Punter by the look of it. :)

[Aidenldrebin]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June

hi ken' date='hope your horse runs well for you mate but you really need to give a reason why you picked your horse and maybe you should take your time and read the rules --:ok[/quote'] Hello Welshman. Nice write ups today I thought, though they seemed awfully familiar. ;)

[hammerman]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June For attention of Welshman443 Please forgive me for being so forward on my first mail, but i feel something has to be said on Welshmans write ups These have been copied and pasted from another forum (OLBG) which were put up four hours before these. please do not get me wrong fantastic write ups but only the credit goes to the original author and not the one on here. I think when someone has to steal other people's work and pass it off as their own is a tension seeker and needs to see a shrink ? It would be disappointing if this gets deleted, but the author on here should get the chance to explain oneself

[mowgli77]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June

Hello Welshman. Nice write ups today I thought' date=' though they seemed awfully familiar. ;)[/quote'] Enlighten us then. They weren't copied from Attheraces or Racing Post, are they from another site? :$

[hammerman]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June yes go to OLBG Mowgli the guy has been rumbled, the original author is a bloodstock man and knows his stuff this guy is a fake

[Aidenldrebin]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June

Enlighten us then. They weren't copied from Attheraces or Racing Post' date=' are they from another site? :$[/quote'] They're mine from the OLBG forum. http://www.online-betting-guide.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=25779&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=12 However, the way five of the six ran, I am embarrassed to own up that they are my selections. :\

[SteveO]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June Looks very disappointing lads:sad

[mowgli77]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June

They're mine from the OLBG forum. http://www.online-betting-guide.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=25779&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=12 However, the way five of the six ran, I am embarrassed to own up that they are my selections. :\

Unable to view them as you need to register. Just tried to register now to view them but waiting for a confirmation/validation e mail. Don't worry, this will be dealt with once I can confirm they are straight copy and paste jobs, disappointed with Welshman if its true who claimed he had been up since 5am yesterday typing them up.

[south_eastern_ram]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June Booooo, Welshman is a phony!!!

[hammerman]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June if this can help you my friend i will copy and paste an example from OLBG for u aidanldrebin At Stud Read My Blog! Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 4426 Location: Surrey Posted: 17 Jun 2009 09:00 Post subject: 2.30 JERSEY STAKES (CLASS 1) (GROUP 3) (3-Y-O) - 7f 1. ASHRAM (ch c Indian Haven - Tara's Girl) Form: 1216-02 Trainer: Saeed Bin Suroor Owner: Godolphin Jockey: Frankie Dettori Smart colt for John Hills last year, overcoming greenness to make a winning debut before being denied a clear run in a conditions event at Kempton on his next outing; put that behind him to go on and score in the Group 3 Somerville Tattersalls Stakes at Newmarket next time, showing a good turn of foot to come with a well-timed challenge from behind, eventually scoring by 4½ lengths from Control Zone. He was forced to race wide when a never to land a blow in the Dewhurst, finishing an ever staying on sixth behind Intense Focus; debut run for current connections not so good, when beating just a couple home in the 2000 Guineas, weakening tamely after a short lived effort. However, the drop back to Listed company over 1m at Sandown in the Heron Stakes last time seemed to have the desired effect, showing a lot more and finding only the highly progressive Border Patrol too good for him; actually lead going into the final furlong before succumbing to the winner's finishing kick. This step back to 7f beneficial and the first time headgear should also help straighten out his tendency to hang left under pressure; Group 3 penalty a worry, but otherwise a solid contender here, albeit yard form still patchy, especially with their three-year olds. 2. ARANEL (ch c Hawk Wing - Antinnaz) Form: 151 Trainer: Mauricio Delcher Sanchez Owner: Cuadra Miranda Jockey: Christophe Lemaire Spanish raider, who is a dual winner in his native country over 1m, though at a significantly lower level; interesting that trainer, who was responsible for last year's King's Stand winner Equiano believes this colt is good enough to attempt another upset, but likely to find this too hot, as he did when fifth in a Listed Race over in France the other month. 3. AWINNERSGAME (b c Kyllachy - Polish Descent) Form: 116-235 Trainer: Jeremy Noseda Owner: Saeed Suhail Jockey: Johnny Murtagh Fairly early sort last season who won a decent maiden at York before running a creditable sixth behind Art Connoisseur in the Coventry Stakes at this meeting next time; went on to scoop a massive pot when winning a valuable sales race at Doncaster from Damien, showing a good turn of foot to lead close home. Came up short in the Goffs Million at the Curragh next time, finishing sixth behind Soul City, but resumed this season with a promising effort behind Ouqba in the Free Handicap at the Newmarket Craven meeting, finishing second and followed that with a third placing behind Border Patrol in a 6f Listed contest at Newbury, never able to land a blow back in third. He again was unable to get himself involved last time, again in a 6f Listed Race, this time at Haydock, when finishing 5th of seven behind Danehill Destiny; hardly surprising to see a visor being applied and, if it has a positive effect, a place isn't beyond him, though would liked to have seen more rain that actually fell. 4. DEPOSER (b c Khelyef - Bezant) Form: 47-9243 Trainer: John Best Owner: Kent Bloodstock Jockey: Robert Winston Still only a maiden win to his name but has run creditably at a decent level, including when fourth behind stablemate Square Eddie in a Grade 1 over in the US at Keenleand last autumn. He made his seasonal reappearance in the Kentucky Derby Trial Stakes at Kempton when racing keen, coming wide off the band and running into trouble before making modest late gains to finish ninth behind Mafaaz; put in his place next time by Ocean's Minstrel in a 7f Listed Race at Lingfield. He ran well when attempting to make all in the Dee Stakes at Chester back on turf, his attempt ove 10f, finishing a close up fourth behind South Easter, and employed similar tactics in the Group 3 Diomed Stakes at Epsom against the older horses, remaining in front until well inside the final furlong when fading and finishing third behind Mac Love. This demands plenty more, won't find it easy to dictate matters here and is basically exposed. 5. DONATIVUM (gr/ro g Cadeaux Genereux - Miss Universe) Form: 27111-4 Trainer: Saeed Bin Suroor Owner: Godolphin Jockey: Ted Durcan Improved no end for a gelding operation, returning last autumn following three promising runs earlier in the season to win a Yarmouth maiden before going on to land the valuable Tattersalls Timeform Million at Newmarket from subsequent Racing Post Trophy winner Crowded House. He himself then went on to land a Group 1 prize when coming from off the pace under a well judged Frankie Dettori ride to land the Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf from Westphalia. Subsequently transferred to current yard and, in keeping with the common theme of the yard's reappearing three-year olds, ran as though in need of the run, finishing fourth in the Listed King Charles II Stakes at Newmarket last month behind Alyarf, pulling hard and not being asked any serious questions when it was clear his winning chance had gone. He should strip a lot fitter for that outing, the run also should have taken the freshness out of him; hard to understand why he has been overlooked by stable jockey Dettori and looks a major player here. 6. GALLAGHER (ch c Bahamian Bounty - Roo) Form: 612224- Trainer: Brian Meehan Owner: Brimacombe, McNally, Rickman & Sangster Jockey: Martin Dwyer Highly rated colt who got off the mark in good style on his second run at Chepstow, but ran up a sequence of second placings thereafter, firstly when slightly unlucky when chasing home Prolific in the Richmond Stakes at Glorious Goodwood. He put in a career best performance when running on well to take second behind top class juvenile Bushranger in the Prix Morny over in France at Deauville, but didn't improve upon that when again coming off second best back down in grade in the Mill Reef Stakes at Newbury, finding Lord Shanakill too strong at the finish despite displaying a fine turn of foot before his effort flattened out close home. His final outing of the season came in the Middle Park Stakes at Newmarket and seemed to take a backward step, finishing a well-held fourth behind Bushranger, who he had run quite close in the Morny earlier in the season, again proving weak at the finish. He hasn't been seen so far this season and was slightly disappointing last season, beginning to look exposed with questions surrounding his ability to see out his races; this extra furlong not sure to suit either as he shapes like a sprinter and that likely to ensure that he struggles here. 7. INFIRAAD (ch c Haafhd - Razzle) Form: 3-11 Trainer: Barry Hills Owner: Hamdan Al Maktoum Jockey: Richard Hills This well bred son of the yard's 2000 Guineas winner's first crop made a highly promising start to his career when chasing home smart duo Evasive and Makaamen in a 7f maiden at Newmarket last October. He made a promising return to action following an operation when returning over the same course and distance to land a competitive maiden by 2 lengths from Invincible Heart, showing a good turn of foot to take it up passing the two furlong marker and maintain the advantage. He once again returned to Newmarket over 7f for a competitive handicap on 2000 Guineas day and he showed he was a very classy prospect with a comfortable 6 length win over the useful Firebet, making all and kicking clear inside the final furlong to win in convincing fashion. This is obviously a big step up from handicap company to Group 3 level, but he has looked an above average sort who could well progress into a pattern performer; a similar sort, Aqlaam, won this last season, and it would be a surprise if this son of Haafhd did go very close to making it back-to-back Jersey Stakes for owner and jockey. 8. INSTALMENT (b g Cape Cross - New Assembly) Form: 10672-1 Trainer: Richard Hannon Owner: The Queen Jockey: Richard Hughes He made the perfect start to his career when winning a decent 6f maiden at Newbury last May, but went out like a light in the Coventry Stakes next time when going off pretty fast early on. His form didn't really improve a great deal thereafter, running down the field in both the Vintage Stakes at Glorious Goodwood and the Solario Stakes at Sandown, staying on both times but lacking the gears to get himself into a challenging position; rounded off his juvenile campaign with a second behind Rileyskeepingfaith in a conditions event at Salisbury. He made a winning return to action last month in a 6f handicap at Salisbury, displaying a willing attitude under pressure to take up the running entering the final furlong and holding on well when challenged. This requires much more, though, and he does look a little more exposed than most in this line up, both his wins also coming over 6f; could well be he's best when caught fresh (been off for 45) so that could work in his favour, but more needed to provide Her Majesty with another royal winner following on from Free Agent's Chesham win last year. 9. JOBE (b c Johannesburg - Bello Cielo) Form: 86-7316 Trainer: Kevin Ryan Owner: J & L Duddy A Bailey B McDonald A Heeney Jockey: Neil Callan He was a useful sprint juvenile last term, winning his maiden impressively at Ayr by 7 lengths the useful Quannah Parker; followed that with a good third placing in the Gimcrack at Newbury next time behind Shaweel, but was outclassed when beating one home in the Middle Park, then shaped as a non-stayer when sixth in the Horris Hill Stakes at Newbury over this trip behind Evasive. He endured a terrible time of it on his reappearance run this season in a 1m Listed contest on the all weather at Lingfield, rearing at the stalls, then losing his footing and persistently hung right throughout, eventually ending up well beaten back in seventh. He then finished third behind Total Gallery in a Listed Race back over 6f at Ascot before a drop down to conditions company saw him gain his second career win in a 6f contest at Hamilton, though hardly won with plenty to spare; put in his place in a Haydock Listed contest last month and highly unlikely to be featuring here now stepping back up a furlong and doubtful there's much scope for improvement. 10. LOCH LINNHE (b g Elusive Quality - Firth Of Lorne) Form: 1 Trainer: John Gosden Owner: H R H Princess Haya Of Jordan Jockey: Jimmy Fortune Nicely bred, but already gelded, though it made absolutely no difference as he simply bolted up on his debut in a 7f maiden at Newmarket last month, making all and coming clear with such ease from a fair yardstick in Seaway (admittedly beaten again since), scoring by 8 lengths and showed a very strong turn of foot. That is, of course, a million miles away from what is required here, but it would be very surprising if there wasn't more improvement left in him yet, also notable that a maiden winner won this last season. His trainer wouldn't bring him here if he didn't truly believe he had a chance and definitely one of the more likelier ones here. 11. NASRI (b c Kyllachy - Triple Sharp) Form: 139-623 Trainer: Brian Meehan Owner: Saleh Al Homaizi & Imad Al Sagar Jockey: Jamie Spencer He won a maiden and then a nursery at Newbury last summer, beating Definightly on both occasions, before running a big race to finish third behind subsequent Group 1 winners Donativum and Crowded House in the Tattersalls Timeform Million at Newmarket. He disappointed on his final start when pulling hard and offering little in the Horris Hill at Newbury in the testing conditions, which may not have suited him, though connections were happy enough for him encounter them again over the same course and distance in the Greenham Stakes on his comeback run this season, in which he finished sixth. The son of Kyllachy put in a much better performance when chasing home Alyarf in the King Charles II Stakes next time, gaining on him all the way to the line, and didn't appear to handle Epsom's contours last time in a Listed contest, finishing third, the slow start hardly a help either. He seems to appreciate a straight track and a strong pace from which to drop in behind, something he'll probably get here; form doesn't suggest that he is open to as much improvement as some, but certainly not done with yet and he could run a big race here at likely decent odds. 12 OCEANS MINSTREL (b c Pivotal - Minstrel's Dream) Form: 451-101 Trainer: John Ryan Owner: Ocean Trailers Ltd Jockey: Jerry O'Dwyer Front runner; had the run of things when causing a 25/1 shock in a Listed Race at Lingfield in April, beating Deposer by comfortably enough, but totally outclassed in the 2000 Guineas when attempting to make all but being left behind when the tempo increased, though did manage to beat five horses home to his credit. He was again allowed to do his own thing in front last time when winning the Listed Surrey Stakes at Epsom from maiden Ermine And Velvet, staying on well to score. However, highly unlikely he'll be allowed to do his own thing here, and also unlikely to be good enough anyway to repel challengers of this calibre either. 13. OUQBA (b c Red Ransom - Dancing Mirage) Form: 9419-10 Trainer: Barry Hills Owner: Hamdan Al Maktoum Jockey: Tadgh O'Shea He had plenty of racing last year, starting off in May, but could only win at conditions/novices race level, winning a couple of small field events at Newmarket (July) and Salisbury; he did run a creditable fourth behind Westphalia in the Group 2 Champagne Stakes at Doncaster over this trip last September, but a no-show on his final juvenile outing when towards the rear in the Dewhurst. However, he made an impressive return to action with a clear-cut victory in the Free Handicap at the Newmarket Craven meeting, staying on well to pull away close home and score by 2¾ lengths from Awinnersgame. Then, somewhat surprisingly given how much speed he has, was allowed to take his chance in the 2000 Guineas at Newmarket, but, predictably, didn't see out the trip, though was in trouble long before stamina became an issue. He is better than that, this step back to 7f will suit, but yet to prove himself at this level and vulnerable to improvers, of which there are plenty in opposition. 14. PATRICIAN'S GLORY (b c Proud Citizen - Landholder) Form: 136-2 Trainer: Tom Tate Owner: Mrs Fitri Hay Jockey: Olivier Peslier Highly regarded by previous trainer Jane Chapple-Hyam but was allowed to go off a 25/1 chance when making a winning debut in a 7f maiden at Newbury last July; followed up with a commendable third behind Sri Putra in the Group 3 Solario Stakes next time, running on strongly to snatch a place, though the slow ground wouldn't have favoured him. He pulled far too hard for his own good in the Royal Lodge Stakes here next time, eventually dropping back to finish sixth, though was hampered as he weakened. He started this season in the care of Tom Tate, making a promising start for him when chasing home the Hampton Court Stakes contender Four Winds in a 1m conditions event at Newmarket last time, making good ground to challenge before fading away inside the distance. It's probably a wise move to step him back to this trip, but he does seem to lack that extra gear when he needs it, usually getting going too late and hard to see him being good enough on the balance of his overall form so far. 15. SAUCY BROWN (b c Fasliyev - Danseuse Du Bois) Form: 96-3013 Trainer: Richard Hannon Owner: The Heffer Syndicate Jockey: Ryan Moore This colt finished fifth in the Windsor Castle here last year following a polished performance on his debut; runner up in a weak Listed contest next time out but limitations exposed thereafter in similar company. He was all out to hold off the challenge of Exceptional Art (an impressive winner since) in a 7f conditions event at Doncaster, but a one paced third in a similar contest when dropped back to 6f at the same venue next time. It is doubtful whether he has much improvement forthcoming and another who is vulnerable to improvers here. 16. TOTAL GALLERY (br c Namid - Diary) Form: 1521-15 Trainer: Stan Moore Owner: Coleman Bloodstock Limited Jockey: Liam Keniry Very highly rated by the yard and not a bad sort in fairness. He won a Beverley maiden as he pleased before acquitting himself well when fifth in the Richmond Stakes at Glorious Goodwood; unlucky in running second behind Magic Cat in a 5f Listed Race next time out. However, atoned for that defeat with a gutsy win in the value Redcar 2-Y-O Trophy, finding plenty to score by a neck from Favourite Girl; continued in a similar vein with hard fought success in a 6f Listed contest at Ascot, holding on by a head from Enderby Spirit. However, disappointed slightly last time when fifth in the Group 2 Temple Stakes behind Look Busy, unable to quicken once the tempo increased; first go at this trip and that is the big concern here. VERDICT: Very little genuine Group form to go on here, most of the contenders all having potential rather than solid form in the book. Gallagher would probably just about be the form pick, but the Brian Meehan representative is making his seasonal reappearance and looked for all the world a sprinter last season. Stablemate Nasri should be suited by the likely strong pace here, but INFIRAAD looked a serious horse when bolting up by 6 lengths in a Newmarket handicap last month, quickening well and staying on powerfully. He, too, will be suited by a strong pace off which to quicken and can continue his progress through to pattern company. Loch Linnhe looked a horse of immense potential when skating up on his debut and is a contender, for all this is a massive step up in grade. Ouqba should be suited by this step back to 7f after bombing out in the 2000 Guineas last time, weakening before stamina could even become an issue. The Godolphin pair of Ashram and Donativum have the form and ability to win, though the form of the yard's three-year olds has been dire to say the least, and the latter has to carry a 4lbs penalty. However, Donativum is entitled to run a big race here after looking in need of his reappearance last month, pulling too hard and being given an easy time of it. Also, he escapes a penalty for his Breeders' Cup Juvenile victory last autumn. Selection: Infiraad Alternative: Donativum 3.05 WINDSOR FOREST STAKES (CLASS 1) (GROUP 2) (4-Y-O+ FILLIES & MARES) - 1m 1 LUSH LASHES (4 b f Galileo - Dance For Fun) Form: 21120-3 Trainer: Jim Bolger Owner: Mr.s Jackie Bolger Jockey: Kevin Manning An incredibly tough filly who thrived on a busy schedule last season, starting off in the 1000 Guineas when failing to handle the track before bouncing back in the Musidora Stakes at York, her first attempt over 10f, when winning as she pleased by 5 lengths. She could only manage fifth in the Oaks but then went on to win the Coronation Stakes at this meeting last year back over a 1m, scoring by 3¼ lengths from Infallible; narrowly beaten by Halfway To Heaven in the Nassau Stakes when finding trouble in running before resuming winning ways in the Yorkshire Oaks and then showed great determination to out battle Nahoodh by a neck in the Group 1 Matron Stakes at the Curragh. Had to overcome trouble in running and had too much to do when runner up in the Prix de l'Opera at Longchamp next time, and she was probably over the top when an eased down last in the Hong Kong Vase. The ground conditions went against him when third of 5 behind Casual Conquest in the Tattersalls Gold Cup at the Curragh last month, but that should have brought her on and, now back against her own sex and on better ground, should be very hard to beat, even with a penalty here. 2. CHANTILLY TIFFANY (5 ch m Pivotal - Gaily Royal) Form: 2121-07 Trainer: Ed Dunlop Owner: Ballygallon Stud Jockey: Richard Hughes She has progressed with racing, as you would expect with a filly who was unraced at two, and won a Listed Race at Dusseldorf and returned to Germany later in the year to land a Group at Baden Baden, scoring by 2 lengths from Rock Of Rachelle. However, the pick of her British form falls well short of what is required - a second behind Royal Confidence in a Listed contest at Doncaster last season her best effort - and needs a lot more to score after two non-descript performances this season. 3. EVAS REQUEST (4 ch f Soviet Star - Ingabelle) Form: 1-37011 Trainer: Mick Channon Owner: Liam Mulryan Jockey: Eddie Creighton She has been highly tried for most of her career but has acquitted herself well in the main, a confirmed Listed performer bordering Group 3 class. Mainly held in Group races at three but has improved this season, acquitting herself with credit in Dubai this winter in Group company before returning to these shores when disappointing in the Lincoln Handicap. However, she has done nothing but improve since, winning a Listed Race at Goodwood in clear-cut fashion from Lady Francesca, showing an impressive turn of foot to burst clear. She then improved again last time when taking the Group 3 Princess Elizabeth Stakes at Epsom on Derby day, fighting on tenaciously, though was undoubtedly helped by the runner up hanging badly down the camber when coming with a strong challenge. She is progressing, but this another step up and more required now. 4. HEAVEN SENT (6 ch m Pivotal - Heavenly Ray) Form: 12345-1 Trainer: Sir Michael Stoute Owner: Cheveley Park Stud Jockey: Ryan Moore She has served connections so well over the years and been one of those to benefit from the new race structuring for more fillies and mares races to be introduced at a higher level. Made steady progress from the handicap ranks, finishing second in the Wolferton Stakes in 2007 before chasing home Cesare back here next time on her first run in pattern company. She made strong progress last year, kicking off with a couple of wins in a Listed Race at Kempton, then a Group 3 at Newmarket, seeing off Harvest Queen as she pleased; sent off favourite for this next time out, but found Sabana Perdida far too good for her, finishing three quarters of a length back in second. Didn't enjoy a successful second half to the season at the top level thereafter, though should have finished closer than fourth in the Nassau Stakes when staying on late to finish fourth. Made a successful reappearance in the Dahlia Stakes at Newmarket last month, winning it for the second successive year, though was made to work harder than ideal, eventually stretching nicely clear to win in commanding fashion. You cannot knock her consistency, but she does seem to come up short on these big occasions, readily put in her place in this last season, and the suspicion is Lush Lashes is a top class filly, so will need to make the very most of the 5lbs she gets from her. 5. PROVISO (b f Dansili - Binche) Form: 3317-15 Trainer: Andre Fabre Owner: Khalid Abdulla Jockey: Stephane Pasquier Looked a top class filly in the making at two, winning the Group 3 Prix Calvados, but the bubble was somewhat burst when running into Listen in the Fillies' Mile here next time out when a red hot favourite. She proved to be very disappointing last season in the main, flopping on her comeback run before showing shoots of a revival with a fourth behind the brilliant Zarkava in the Prix de Diane (French Oaks) but her only success of 2008 came in a modest Listed contest at Bordeaux le Buscat. She started this season with victory in a mile race at Longchamp on her second outing this season, but again firmly put into her place when venturing into Group 1 company in the Prix Ganay, finishing a well-held fifth behind Never On Sunday. This will prove to be a bit easier than that contest, also racing back against her own sex, but been a disappointing sort overall; quicker ground also a concern and probably a minor place prospect and nothing more. 6. ROSALEEN (4 b f Cadeaux Genereux - Dark Rosaleen) Form: 85180-1 Trainer: Brian Meehan Owner: Exors Of The Late Tom Wilson Jockey: Martin Dwyer Has operated at a fairly useful level throughout her career, winning a Listed contest at Sandown last July, following on from a promising effort at this meeting the time before when a running on fifth in the Sandringham Hanidcap the run before. However, with a penalty thereafter, not showing a great deal on either of her starts at Sandown or Ascot; started this season with a comfortable enough victory in a very weak Listed contest at Pontefract. All she could do was win that day, but a career best by some way is needed here. 7. ROYAL CONFIDENCE (4 b f Royal Applause - Never A Doubt) Form: 0510-46 Trainer: Barry Hills Owner: D M James Jockey: Michael Hills She was a useful juvenile, winning twice and placing third in the Group 2 Rockfel Stakes at Newmarket at the end of her two-year old career; never really went on after finishing third on her reappearance the following season, when third behind Stimulation in the Free Handicap. However, came right back to form when landing a 7f Listed Race for fillies and mares at Doncaster, getting up close home to edge out Chantilly Tiffany. However, limitations at this level exposed in both the Challenge Stakes last season and the John Of Gaunt Stakes at Haydock last time, finishing sixth behind Main Aim; stayed on that day, but far from certain to actually stay this trip (seventh in the 1000 Guineas in her only attempt at the trip), and doubtful a massive amount of improvement is on its way. 8. SHE'S OUR MARK (5 ch m Ishiguru - Markskeepingfaith) Form:723-712 Trainer: Patrick Flynn Owner: B & M Syndicate Jockey: Jamie Spencer Tough, consistent sort who quickly progressed from handcaps to a Group 3 success within a few months, lifting the Group 3 Desmond Stakes at Leopardstown; came up short when she has been stepped up to pattern level in the past, though has remained a model of consistency at Listed level. She gained her first victory in almost 18 months when outpointing Chinese White in a 9f Listed Race at Gowran Park; got going too late when chasing home Deauville Vision latest, but work to do to trouble some of these. Trip and ground unlikely to prove advantageous for her either. 9. SPACIOUS (4 b f Nayef - Palatial) Form: 24144-3 Trainer: James Fanshawe Owner: Cheveley Park Stud Jockey: Johnny Murtagh This daughter of Nayef looked a nice sort when supplementing her impressive debut win with a game success in the Group 3 May Hill Stakes at Doncaster at two. She continued her progress when finding only Natagora too good for her in the 1000 Guineas at Newmarket, but was most disappointing at this meeting last year when well fancied to resume winning ways in the Coronation Stakes, finishing a lacklustre fourth behind Lush Lashes. It has been a slippery slope ever since for her, looking less than keen when scraping home from Moyenne Corniche in a conditions contest at Doncaster, but then ran a really good race when a staying on fourth behind Halfway To Heaven in the Group 1 Sun Chariot Stakes back at Newmarket. However, she couldn't go on from that, and has since been beaten twice more, the latest disappointment coming in the Princess Elizabeth Stakes at Epsom when firmly put in her place by Eva's Request, finishing third, beaten 5 lengths; hard to see any reason why she should reverse the placings, even counting the fact she was giving away fitness (goes well fresh), and a place looks her very best hope. VERDICT: Not much strength in depth here. Heaven Sent, second in this to Sabana Perdida 12 months ago, is sure to run her usual, honest race, but that is unlikely to be good enough here if LUSH LUSHES returns to her summer form from last season. Jim Bolger's tough-as-teak mare took a busy schedule in her stride last season, bagging three Group 1 contests, so a 5lbs penalty in a weak Group 2 is unlikely to prove a barrier to success. What would put a spanner in the works if it were to rain heavily overnight, all her best form coming on a sound surface. Alternatives other than the two aforementioned look few and far between, so perhaps this will provide Proviso with the perfect chance to nick some black type in what has been an ultimately disappointing career that promised so much at two. Saying that, Eva's Request is in the form of her life and, although she requires a career best to do so, a place may not be beyond her in a weak looking contest outside of the front two in the market. Selection: Lush Lashes Alternative: Heaven Sent 3.45 PRINCE OF WALES'S STAKES (CLASS 1) (GROUP 1) (4-Y-O+) - 1m 2f 1. ESTEJO (5 b h Johan Cryuff - Este) Form: 61510-6 Trainer: R Rhone Owner: Giovanni Martone Jockey: Daniele Porcu German raider who likes to front run and won a Group 1 over 10f in his Italy, where he does most of his racing, last autumn; attempted to make all but beat just fresh air home when last in the Hong Kong Cup subsequently. He was down the field for his reappearance run and looks out of his depth here. 2. NEVER ON SUNDAY (4 gr c Sunday Break - Hexane) Form: 2111-51 Trainer: Jean-Claude Rouget Owner: D-Y Treves Jockey: Christophe Lemaire A smart horse on his day, steadily improving last season over this trip, beating fellow compatriot Russian Cross by 5 lengths in a mile contest at Chantilly before seeing off in game style in a Group 3 over at Longchamp in September, which had followed on from a Listed win at Chantilly. He looked in need of his reappearance run when fifth behind Trincot in the Group 1 Prix d'Harcourt, staying on well from off the pace, doing all his best work at the finish; certainly came on a lot for that, landing the Group 1 Prix d'Ispahan last time, showing a good change of pace to seal matters in good fashion to score by a length from Gris de Gris, though favourite Goldikova ran well below her best. This looks a tougher contest, and quite possible he wants slower ground than he's likely to get here, so probably playing for places at best here. However, his trainer, fresh from success on Sunday in the Prix de Diane (French Oaks) with the potentially top class Stacelita, is in incredible form, and it's hard to ignore anything coming from that yard at present. 3. TARTAN BEARER (4 ch c Spectrum - Highland Gift) Form: 2/1123-1 Trainer: Sir Michael Stoute Owner: Ballymacoll Stud Jockey: Ryan Moore Bred to be smart, being a full brother to King George winner and Derby runner up Golan; built on gritty maiden win at Leicester to rally gamely and out battle Frozen Fire to land the Group 2 Dante Stakes at York, setting him up for a crack at the Derby. He was held up towards the rear at Epsom but made eyecatching headway down the centre of the track to sweep past Casual Conquest into the lead, but, as he did so, New Approach was charging down the inside to take it up and hold on well from the rallying Tartan Bearer. It was a tremendous run considering his relative inexperience, and he was well fancied to atone for his defeat in the Irish version; however, things didn't really go his way, getting a hefty bump from the errant Alessandro Volta, allowing Frozen Fire to sweep by and score, while he finished fourth, though was promoted to third, replacing Alessandro Volta. He was off for the rest of the season after that, making his reappearance in the Group 3 Gordon Richards Stakes at Sandown in April, winning in gutsy fashion after being made to work hard, also looking less than 100% wound up. He had to battle to see off Pipedreamer who, for all is a questionable stayer over10f is a smart horse, but showed a great attitude to battle on up the hill that day and score by a head. He is obviously going to have improved for the outing - his work at home said to be very good - and he has superb battling qualities, along with a touch of class, and that's just what you need in a good horse. A false gallop may well find him out, but yard adept at improving their older horses no end and it would something of a surprise if this colt wasn't involved at the business end of the race. 4. TAZEEZ (5 b/br g Silver Hawk - Soiree Russe) Form: 1401-19 Trainer: John Gosden Owner: Hamdan Al Maktoum Jockey: Richard Hills Late maturing sort who looked nothing more than a useful handicapper in the making when landing a 10f handicap at Newmarket (July) last August, but soon proved to be just a bit better than that when pulling clear with Nanton before staying on best in a dual to take the Cambridgeshire Handicap by a length. He isn't up to the class of stablemate Pipedreamer, who took the event the previous year, but made a winning return this season when taking advantage of Twice Over's lack of fitness to land the Group 3 Earl Of Sefton at Newmarket back over the same course and distance he'd won the Cambridgeshire over. However, proved very disappointing last time when finishing last of nine in the Group 1 Prix d'Ispahan over in France at Longchamp, though testing conditions wouldn't have really suited him that day; however, clearly needs to improve plenty here and, although this is hardly a brilliant renewal of this race, it really would be a sad indictment on the rest of the field if he were good enough to prevail. 5. TRINCOT (4 b c Peintre Celebre - Royal Lights) Form: 310-812 Trainer: Saeed Bin Suroor Owner: Godolphin Jockey: Frankie Dettori He was formerly trained by Phillipe Demercastel as recently as last month. proving a progressive sort; won a Group 3 at Chantilly before running well enough back in seventh behind Vision D'Etat in the French Derby next time. He came good to land the Group 2 Prix Dollar at Longchamp a couple of outings later, staying on well to hold off the strong challenge of Loup Breton, holding off his advances by a head. The son of Peintre Celebre never figured in the Hong Kong Cup, nor in his reappearance run when finishing down the field in the Group 3 Prix Exbury; showed the benefit for the outing when showing an impressive turn of foot to score by 3 lengths from The Bogberry in the Group 2 Prix d'Harcourt. After that taking performance, Godolphin quickly moved in to make him one of their many buys in recent times; ran just a fair race last time on his debut for them, running on into second behind in an Group 2 over in Italy last time, form that leaves him well short here, although on the form of his Prix Dollar victory would look an interesting contender. 6. TWICE OVER (4 b c Observatory - Double Crossed) Form: 3172-33 Trainer: Henry Cecil Owner: Khalid Abdulla Jockey: Tom Queally A much hyped colt over the winter of 2007/08 after two runs and two wins at Newmarket in maiden and Listed company meant he was in demand for both classics, his reappearance run doing nothing to quell the storm of support when gamely seeing off Raven's Pass to land the Craven Stakes at Newmarket. However, he bypassed a tilt at the 2000 Guineas to go down the Derby route (trainer always believed he he needs 10f+ to be at his best) but proved slightly disappointing when a one paced third behind Tartan Bearer and Frozen Fire, though time has shown that there was little disgrace in the reverse he suffered that day. He was dropped back to a mile for the St James's Palace at this meeting 12 months ago, finishing third behind top class pair Henrythenavigator and Raven's Pass, but finally got the win he deserved when staying on well to win the Group 2 Prix Eugene Adam at Maisons-Lafitte from fellow raider City Leader. However, he endured a nightmare passage in a Group 2 at Deauville next time before rounding off his campaign chasing home the top class New Approach in the Champion Stakes at Newmarket, going down by 6 lengths, but was staying on all the way to the line. He ran below par in the Earl Of Sefton on his reappearance, still on the bit approaching the two furlong marker before emptying at an alarming rate to finish third behind Tazeez; stepped up considerably on that when just losing out in a three way dual to the line with the re-opposing Virtual and the since disappointing Alexandros. His trainer has always believed this is his trip, but there is no denying the fact he has had three attempts at this level and has never looked like winning any of them, even last time when officially being beaten just half a length; trip and ground should be fine, but likely to find a couple too good once more. 7. VIRTUAL (4 b c Pivotal - Virtuous) Form: 0111-31 Trainer: John Gosden Owner: Cheveley Park Stud Jockey: Jimmy Fortune This colt has done nothing but improve since disappointing on fast ground in the Britannia Handicap 12 months ago at this meeting, the fast ground to blame for the below par effort. He reappeared a few months later to land a decent 1m handicap at Doncaster, but stepped up on that effort when overcoming all sorts of traffic problems to run on close home and outpoint Lady Deauville to score by a cheeky neck in a 9f Listed Race over at Maisons-Laffitte in testing conditions. His final outing came in the Group 3 Joel Stakes when again relishing the soft conditions run on well from off the pace and see off the useful enough General Elliot by a half length. He made his reappearance in the Sandown Mile in April, finishing third behind subsequent Queen Anne winner Paco Boy, racing prominent for most of the way but seemingly unsuited by the quicker conditions, weakening in the closing stages too. However, he bounced back in great style to land the Group 1 Lockinge Stakes at Newbury next time, though the testing ground obviously played its part; he made his challenge towards the centre of the track, gamely responding to pressure to see of Alexandros by a nose. It was a tremendously brave performance, but, it is becoming increasingly clear that he is in need of considerable ease in the ground to be seen at his best, something he looks unlikely to get here; step up to 10f also a worry and will do well to make it back-to-back wins at the top level, though trainer seemed pretty confident of his ability to cope with this step in trip after the Lockinge. 8. VISION D''ETAT (4 b c Chichicastenango - Uberaba) Form: 1115-31 Trainer: Eric Libaud Owner: Jacques Detre Jockey: Olivier Peslier He was unbeaten in four starts when winning the French Derby last June, taking up with just over a furlong to run and holding off the late challenge of Famous Name to score by a neck. He followed that up with victory in the Prix Niel, a recognized Arc trial, which he won by a nose from Ideal World, responding well for pressure to lead right on the line; fair to say he probably wasn't at full tilt that day after a mid-season break and with other targets in mind. His next outing came in the big race itself - the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe; he was held up in behind the pace and looked to be coming with a good challenge at one point before being slightly hampered and faded thereafter to finish fifth behind the brilliant Zarkava. He didn't exactly show a huge amount of encouragement on his reappearance when finishing third behind Trincot in the Group 2 Prix d'Harcourt, but looked back to something like his best when landing an admittedly sub-standard renewal of the Prix Ganay at Longchamp, overcoming trouble in running and being interfered with by a rival to quicken up smartly and come charging home to score by ¾ length from Loup Breton. He is a very smart colt on his day, and he had plenty more left to give last time, seeming to pull up and idle once hitting the front, but the turn of foot he showed that day marked him down as a top class colt to be reckoned with; this his first taste of action outside of France, but this looks one of the more winnable Prince Of Wales's to be run and it would be hugely disappointing not to see him involved. He, like Tartan Bearer, would probably appreciate a strong gallop here, but it could well be that the French challengers turn of foot will be the deciding factor. VERDICT: A decent enough renewal, though it lacks strength in depth. Virtual comes here in the form of his life after holding on well to win the Lockinge Stakes last time, but worries over the ground and trip means he is likely to be found out here. Tartan Bearer is a warm order to give Sir Michael Stoute his first win in the race since Stagecraft in 1991, and the flashy chestnut certainly found plenty to see off Pipedreamer at Sandown last time. However, he will need a truly run race to be seen at his best, something that could be said of VISION D'ETAT too, and it could well be that last year's French Derby winner possesses a more the more potent turn of foot. Eric Libaud's four-year old had plenty left in the tank when winning the Prix Ganay at Longchamp last time and he looks the one to beat here if the pace is strong; also better value of the two. Twice Over has, based on the evidence so far, looked just shy of top class, though ran a fair race in the Lockinge last time, and his trainer is adamant this trip is what he needs to be seen at his very best. Never On Sunday hails from a yard, that of Jean-Claude Rouget, who can do no wrong at the moment in top events, though his form needs improving upon and he would also like to see plenty of rainfall between now and post time. Selection: Vision D'Etat Alternative: Tartan Bearer _________________ CLICK BELOW FOR MY FLAT HORSES TO FOLLOW 2009 http://www.online-betting-guide.co.uk/blogs/blog_post.php?t=aidanldrebin&id=64032 http://www.online-betting-guide.co.uk/blogs/blog_post.php?t=aidanldrebin&id=64031

[SteveO]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June I can confirm that the guy posted them at 9am this morning Phill. I registered for that site back last year but forgot all about it and just looked at the guy's thread.

[Aidenldrebin]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June Do what you have to do. I suppose if he has copy and pasted, then you don't want people like that around on this forum. I am not calling for his head or for him to be banned etc. but just wanted to make clear that it wasn't his work, that's all.

[hammerman]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June Daniel - AKA Aiden has been doing these write ups for a long time on OLBG and has a good repour and blog..it is so sad when some one wants attention like this and tells everyone as Mowgli said he was up until 5am.. Sorry to burst everyone's bubble on this but fair is fair.

[RuleBritannia]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June

hi ken' date='hope your horse runs well for you mate but you really need to give a reason why you picked your horse and maybe you should take your time and read the rules --:ok[/quote'] Kind of seems ironic...... Holding out for a plausible explenation but looks like clutching at straws.... shame. :sad

[stewartd14]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June

Do what you have to do. I suppose if he has copy and pasted' date=' then you don't want people like that around on this forum. I am not calling for his head or for him to be banned etc. but just wanted to make clear that it wasn't his work, that's all.[/quote'] Dont worry, he will be banned if this is true ;)

[mowgli77]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June I had concerns that they were copy and paste jobs yesterday but could not find them on attheraces or racing post and was going to ask Welshman to reference where they had been copied from if that was the case. When others congratulated him on such a fine job with these posts he took the plaudits and said he had been up since 5am doing them. That is unacceptable in my opinion, goes against all rules of the site and is just morally wrong to take the credit for someone elses work. We had this problem previously when someone admitted to stealing Russ's posts and using them for a tipster site. I'm disappointed with Welshman and have banned him, if he wants to explain himself he can send an e mail to [email protected] but I'm not sure there is any possible explanation for blatantly ripping off someone elses hard work. Apologies to aidanldrebin, the original author. I have just posted an apology on the site they were originally posted on too. Blatant copying and pasting won't be tolerated, we have some very good members on here that put a lot of time and effort into their posts and if someone was copying it and pasting it elsewhere and taking credit for it we would be rightly pissed off. I know by banning Welshman he has no chance now to apologise or explain himself but if he contacts us I think it is only fair to let you know what is said. Disappointed. :(

[Aidenldrebin]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June Cheers, Mowgli. Appreciate you taking the time to deal with this and also posting up on the OLBG. Top work. I suppose there was no choice but to ban him after something like that. Thanks once again. :ok

[hammerman]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June i concur what DANIEL said.. Fair play Mowgli and wish you all the best on here for the rest of the RA Meeting

[stewartd14]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June Thank you for your help with this guys - It is not the first time :ok

[markysimmo]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June Im happy as larry won a shed load on Jealous Again in the 4.55pm What a victory...

[mowgli77]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June

Cheers, Mowgli. Appreciate you taking the time to deal with this and also posting up on the OLBG. Top work. I suppose there was no choice but to ban him after something like that. Thanks once again. :ok

i concur what DANIEL said.. Fair play Mowgli and wish you all the best on here for the rest of the RA Meeting

I don't like banning anyone (I ain't no nazi ;)) but I was left with no choice. I had attempted to find out if they were copied and hoped they were his own work. Thanks for pointing it out and feel free to post your selections on here now you have both joined, we're a friendly bunch and we like reasoning with our bets, this isn't Betfair forum. :lol They were very good write ups Daniel, just like what we try to aim for on here regardless of whether they finished 1st or last. :ok

[mowgli77]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June

Im happy as larry won a shed load on Jealous Again in the 4.55pm What a victory...

If you have posted it elsewhere I apologise but it isn't in this thread. 1st rule in the Punters Lounge house rules reads:

Post bets before the event is played.

No-one likes after eventing, it serves no purpose and makes a mockery of all the hard work everyone puts in. :ok

[bowles10]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June i noticed the posts yesterday & it looked suspicious unless he was working for a site that needed that sort of indepth info. We had something similar at Cheltenham this year with some copy & pasting which was put to bed early & dealt with. Its a shame but we move on regardless, thanks for sorting this phil.

[markysimmo]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June

If you have posted it elsewhere I apologise but it isn't in this thread. 1st rule in the Punters Lounge house rules reads: No-one likes after eventing, it serves no purpose and makes a mockery of all the hard work everyone puts in. :ok

Sorry couldnt get on at work today and im not a good enough tipster to ever put a tip on here anyhow.. Was just happy with my lucky pick today and wanted to share, didnt realise it would cause offence

[stewartd14]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June

Sorry couldnt get on at work today and im not a good enough tipster to ever put a tip on here anyhow.. Was just happy with my lucky pick today and wanted to share, didnt realise it would cause offence

Dont worry, no offence caused - its just the way it works thats all :ok

[mowgli77]

Re: Royal Ascot Weds 17th June

Sorry couldnt get on at work today and im not a good enough tipster to ever put a tip on here anyhow.. Was just happy with my lucky pick today and wanted to share, didnt realise it would cause offence

No offence, just pointing out the no after eventing rule, especially after what happened earlier in the thread with regards rules etc. :ok If you had the winner or made profit then of course you are a good enough tipster to put one up on here, if you had posted it with reasoning someone else might have followed your advice and also won on it. :) No offence intended either towards you.