GeordieGaz Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I see far too many of these kinda beats... :loon All in pre-flop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampster Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! PokerStars with bad players? Surely not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioArca Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! It looks to me like he was allin on the big blind so you cant blame the guy for bad play. One outers happen all the time - even 40-1 shots come in now and again. Play on Boss you get at least one a day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! 27 percent chance preflop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! I hate stars because ugly people insist on putting their face pic in the avatar! why do people do this? I used to spend too much time blocking images but I found it easier just not to play there anymone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugleh Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! Why spend time blocking avatars? Just turn them off permanently, takes 3 secs. Lifetime gain. BTW, I have Chris Waddle with a mullet as my avatar, just to tilt others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuleBritannia Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! Given that the blinds are 1000/2000 and his stack is just 1250, then surely he had no option but to be all in? Nothing to do with bad play from the guy, wasn't even a bad beat officially was it? The money went in pre flop, so is that not the point where it is considered whether or not it is a bad beat? I might be missing the point here though, if so just ignore me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieGaz Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! I didn't think it was bad play at all..... that wasn't what I was getting at! :\ I just think the beat after the flop is quite sick and that I see lots of them on stars!! I hate stars because ugly people insist on putting their face pic in the avatar! why do people do this? I used to spend too much time blocking images but I found it easier just not to play there anymone. We can't all be blessed with good looks Bri, but at least some of us have a decent personality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wurzel133 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! Why spend time blocking avatars? Just turn them off permanently, takes 3 secs. Lifetime gain. . how do you do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugleh Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! Under Options / Show Player Images Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wurzel133 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! :okcheers mate:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B52 Bomber Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! pokerstars software is unbelievable dont know why you even bother with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisa Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! Yes, online poker is rigged. Just cash out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! The weird thing is that everybody sees so much evidence of it being fixed while they're playing. But whenever anybody collects statistics to see if there are too many bad beats, etc., they don't come up with anything. At least, I've never seen any statistical evidence that it is fixed. They must have some way of detecting when people are collecting statistics and "unfix" the software to hide the evidence, but it must be a really clever system, as I can't see how they could do it. :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Quiet Man Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! I've been playing for a few years now and never suffered a bad beat...even on Poker Stars!!:ok TQM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! The weird thing is that everybody sees so much evidence of it being fixed while they're playing. But whenever anybody collects statistics to see if there are too many bad beats, etc., they don't come up with anything. At least, I've never seen any statistical evidence that it is fixed. . :unsure Apart from the fact that pkt aces occur more often than is mathematically probable:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samba_SamPa Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! I've been playing for a few years now and never suffered a bad beat...even on Poker Stars!!:ok TQM That's because you always get your chips in when behind :tongue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconni Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! Know exactly what you are getting at GeordieGaz. I've played on about 12 different sites and some sites really do have some very suspect algorithms. By a long way the worst is IPN (Virgin etc). If I had a penny for every time I've seen the worst hand, pre-flop, getting a monster to beat a monster I'd be playing at Las Vegas! I no longer play on any IPN site because in the end it seemed like I wasn't playing poker but instead was playing some sort of lottery instead. Stars is not as bad, nor BlueSquare, but they also seem to regularly give out some amazing hands. What I think is that the software designers are given an edited video of the WPT and base all their calculations on that. They don't seem to realise that they are only watching the highlights. Therefore nearly every hand must have a 'twist' to it lol. PKR, no I'm not sponsored by them lol, seems to be the best site for getting 'realistic' hands. I know, with the animation side of it, that each hand takes ten times longer to play out but you know that your AA actually stands a good chance of winning. To put that into perspective. I didn't win with AA (in pocket) for over 6 months on Virgin. The worst was when I flopped another A only to be beaten by a runner, runner 8 high flush. I don't blame the better, he was all in pre flop. The fault lies distinctly with the algorithms. At worst I would say that, some of, the software out there is unrealistic and at worst I'd say it verges on fraud. Knowing I'll get flamed for this but I really do worry about the state of the calculations out there. When one sits down to play a game of poker one would like to think that the dealer is not dealing cards for the rails entertainment but is dealing the cards in a fair and realistic way. This is, sadly, not always the case. If you went into a shop to buy a melon you would not expect them to give you two melons and then at the checkout take away both melons and give you a lemon instead, would you? But by playing on sites, like IPN, that do this from of...well..theft we accept it. But when we just meekly accept it we are allowing these sites to get away with disrespecting all honest poker players buy plying us with un-honest (is that a word? Well it should be lol) software. Rant over lol. Take care and have fun, software excluded lol :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! and your poker tracker database backs this up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisa Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! IMO, live poker is more rigged. My aces got cracked by pocket 4s yesterday. FFS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! IMO' date=' live poker is more rigged. My aces got cracked by pocket 4s yesterday. FFS![/quote'] That's so funny. Aces should always win shouldn't they :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spannerjago Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! Know exactly what you are getting at GeordieGaz. I've played on about 12 different sites and some sites really do have some very suspect algorithms. By a long way the worst is IPN (Virgin etc). If I had a penny for every time I've seen the worst hand, pre-flop, getting a monster to beat a monster I'd be playing at Las Vegas! I no longer play on any IPN site because in the end it seemed like I wasn't playing poker but instead was playing some sort of lottery instead. Stars is not as bad, nor BlueSquare, but they also seem to regularly give out some amazing hands. What I think is that the software designers are given an edited video of the WPT and base all their calculations on that. They don't seem to realise that they are only watching the highlights. Therefore nearly every hand must have a 'twist' to it lol. PKR, no I'm not sponsored by them lol, seems to be the best site for getting 'realistic' hands. I know, with the animation side of it, that each hand takes ten times longer to play out but you know that your AA actually stands a good chance of winning. To put that into perspective. I didn't win with AA (in pocket) for over 6 months on Virgin. The worst was when I flopped another A only to be beaten by a runner, runner 8 high flush. I don't blame the better, he was all in pre flop. The fault lies distinctly with the algorithms. At worst I would say that, some of, the software out there is unrealistic and at worst I'd say it verges on fraud. Knowing I'll get flamed for this but I really do worry about the state of the calculations out there. When one sits down to play a game of poker one would like to think that the dealer is not dealing cards for the rails entertainment but is dealing the cards in a fair and realistic way. This is, sadly, not always the case. If you went into a shop to buy a melon you would not expect them to give you two melons and then at the checkout take away both melons and give you a lemon instead, would you? But by playing on sites, like IPN, that do this from of...well..theft we accept it. But when we just meekly accept it we are allowing these sites to get away with disrespecting all honest poker players buy plying us with un-honest (is that a word? Well it should be lol) software. Rant over lol. Take care and have fun, software excluded lol :) Is it really over? Thats 2 identical posts now. Maybe PKR doesn't see as many bad beats because you only play about 10 hands an hour! Never mind posting the usual boring drivel, why not post some of your HH and let people tell you what the odds are of it happening or give you some feedback on how you played a hand. AA is only a pair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jquik Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! What I think is that the software designers are given an edited video of the WPT and base all their calculations on that. They don't seem to realise that they are only watching the highlights. Therefore nearly every hand must have a 'twist' to it lol. Tell me that you're not being seriously and that you're just winding us up? Pissed myself when reading this paragraph! :lol Absolute jokes. Read these links then tell me if you still think that the people responsible for the algorithms were secretly being distracted by the latest episode of WPT on the telly. :rollin http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/features/security/ http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/rng/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisa Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! That's so funny. Aces should always win shouldn't they :unsure Exactly! And KK should always win, except against AA. And QQ, etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! I love these 'online poker is rigged' threads. There's a simple way to argue that it probably isn't. 1) If it's rigged, it's rigged for everyone - so it makes no difference 2) If you think it's just rigged against you then you should be making a pyschiatrists appointment pronto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconni Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! I don't use any tracker software. One only has to play for a couple of hours to see it at it's worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioArca Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! That's so funny. Aces should always win shouldn't they :unsure Out of interest my PT stats say AA have won 93.22% of the time in cash games and "only" 90.55% in tournaments. This is from a sample size of 118 / 24919 and 127 / 28547. All you statisticians out there is this about the statistical norm or not? :eyes I reckon the odds of getting AA is 220-1 therefore by my rough calculations I have been dealt pocket rockets a grand total of twice more than the statistical norm in over 50k hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioArca Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! "it's rigged" ranks right up there with "she's a witch - burn her" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! Out of interest my PT stats say AA have won 93.22% of the time in cash games and "only" 90.55% in tournaments. This is from a sample size of 118 / 24919 and 127 / 28547. All you statisticians out there is this about the statistical norm or not? :eyes I reckon the odds of getting AA is 220-1 therefore by my rough calculations I have been dealt pocket rockets a grand total of twice more than the statistical norm in over 50k hands. You should receive aces once every 221 hands. You have received Aces once every 218.2286 hands - slightly more (3 times) than expected. The proportion you win cannot be checked - that depends how you play them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Re: Why I Hate Stars!!! 90%+ win with AA is very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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