SteveO Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/magical+trevor/ Was it the guy in the above link slap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1OrVVCiSGg Was it the guy in the above link slap? I'm not clicking that! :loon [Edit: I'm definitely not clicking it now you've edited the link so I can see what it is!] But him or his alter ego, probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gazza271 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK Don't know about that Gaz but I remember when rivrd was the short stack and pushed allin you were the bb I think you had about 4000 chips you were getting 3/1 on your money and folded' date=' it would have cost you 600, maybe you can dig that hand out and we can have a look at it.[/quote'] Steve, think the one below is the hand you were on about :ok ***** Hand 959661914 ***** 200.00/400.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 17 February 2008 21:30:09 PLOPS Satellite (Real /Tournament ) Seat 2: Drousy (7015.00) Seat 3: wallg1 (3570.00) Seat 4: hornet01 (7084.00) Seat 5: HectorMcG (4679.00) Seat 7: Griff5 (1504.00) Seat 8: GpdDelusio (5718.00) Seat 9: PLgazza (4990.00) Seat 10: rivrdu (1040.00) GpdDelusio post SB 200.00 PLgazza post BB 400.00 ** Deal ** Drousy [N/A, N/A] wallg1 [N/A, N/A] hornet01 [N/A, N/A] HectorMcG [N/A, N/A] Griff5 [N/A, N/A] GpdDelusio [N/A, N/A] PLgazza [Qs, 4c] rivrdu [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** rivrdu All-in 1040.00 Drousy Fold wallg1 Fold hornet01 Fold HectorMcG Fold Griff5 Fold GpdDelusio Fold PLgazza Fold *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 1400.00 Drousy Fold Win: 0.00 wallg1 Fold Win: 0.00 hornet01 Fold Win: 0.00 HectorMcG Fold Win: 0.00 Griff5 Fold Win: 0.00 GpdDelusio Fold Win: 0.00 PLgazza Fold Win: 0.00 rivrdu By default Win: 1400.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK That's the hand Gaz 1640 in the middle costs you 600 to call getting over 2.5/1 I know its a bad hand but Rivrd could be pushing with anything, I'm probably calling everytime there what does everyone else think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK That's the hand Gaz 1640 in the middle costs you 600 to call getting over 2.5/1 I know its a bad hand but Rivrd could be pushing with anything' date=' I'm probably calling everytime there what does everyone else think?[/quote'] Historically, I'd have always called without hesitation ..... more recently......I'd think a bit more about it.... there's not really much upside to calling - even if it is positive ev, it's not a lot :unsure If we assume Rivrd is shoving with an average hand or better (top 50%) then Q4o is a 38.5% dog ...... actually, changed my mind ..... yes 2.5-1 is enough for me to call...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK Hurrah he agrees with me:tongue2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK Hurrah he agrees with me:tongue2. Don't cheer too soon ... I agree too. I don't think Rivrd's range should be as wide as top 50%: more like top 35%-40%, biased towards hands that play well against more than one opponent, but in any case 2.5/1 odds is good enough for me. I don't think folding is terrible, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK It made me so angry that Gaz didn't call I promised myself that I'd try and bubble him:tongue2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK It made me so angry that Gaz didn't call I promised myself that I'd try and bubble him:tongue2. That makes it a clear call, then. Covered in detail in "Sklansky on Playing Against Spiteful Opponents". :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK Going back to the original problem and the Phil Helmuth situation ..... I do think that being chip leader amongst 55 players going for 45 seats (it just says 45 getting paid, but the assumption I'm making is that it's 45 equal prizes) is a pretty substantially different situation to being equal chip leader with 3 left and 2 seats ...... not sure I can articulate why I think that though :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK Going back to the original problem and the Phil Helmuth situation ..... I do think that being chip leader amongst 55 players going for 45 seats (it just says 45 getting paid' date=' but the assumption I'm making is that it's 45 equal prizes) is a pretty substantially different situation to being equal chip leader with 3 left and 2 seats ...... not sure I can articulate why I think that though :unsure[/quote'] Um, am I reading it differently from everybody else? :unsure He was acting. The script said he had to fold and go to talk to somebody. He got dealt pocket aces and thought "bugger!". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK Can you put a poll up Gaf asking who would call with Q4 be interesting to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK Erm....looks like you read it properly and I only skim read it :$ So Mr V's prime piece of poker advice actually only applies if you're on a filmset and a director tells you that you have to fold the hand? :unsure Did you notice this Mr V and I've just been incredibly dense and slow to catch up? :$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK Nope. :$ :$ I missed it as well but I still stand by the principle. :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK :rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin I think I just folded pocket aces pre-flop because I was laughing too much. :$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK Why risk getting eliminated when you're only a 4.5-to-1 or less favorite? That was the principle that I was referring to. Now that you clever people have had a good laugh. I'm off. :ok Good luck on the tables. :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK Now that you clever people have had a good laugh. I'm off. :ok I wasn't (mainly :tongue2) laughing at you. It was more the way GaF had half talked himself round to thinking that the precise numbers of players involved might make an important difference, until he realized what was going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK Quote: Why risk getting eliminated when you're only a 4.5-to-1 or less favorite? I'll risk getting eliminated as a 4.5 to 1 favourite if I believe it increases my chances of getting through..... In the game we were looking at, if gazza always folds to raises from SteveO (every hand), then when hornet makes a stand (as he must) and goes in as a 60-40 favourite against SteveO, that will be a 60% shot that gazza is all but the short stack and suddenly gazza is the favourite to get eliminated - in those circumstances I'm more than happy to take 4.5 to 1 against eliminating (as I effectively would) SteveO if he's stupid (:tongue2) enough to call when I reraise him with KK (or AA) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Re: Folding KK Yeah me stupid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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