Help, please.

[happyhornet]

I have just been eliminated from a tourney with this hand. PokerStars Game #9285842443: Tournament #46772133, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/04/06 - 17:36:28 (ET) Table '46772133 127' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: touficos77 (2940 in chips) Seat 2: happyhornet (3500 in chips) Seat 3: RU_kelly (15954 in chips) Seat 4: willywonk (6125 in chips) is sitting out Seat 5: titian44 (4912 in chips) is sitting out Seat 6: katoluv (2485 in chips) Seat 7: kevjones83 (5282 in chips) Seat 8: Aliqua2006 (5970 in chips) Seat 9: peppers2k5 (8404 in chips) touficos77: posts the ante 25 happyhornet: posts the ante 25 RU_kelly: posts the ante 25 willywonk: posts the ante 25 titian44: posts the ante 25 katoluv: posts the ante 25 kevjones83: posts the ante 25 Aliqua2006: posts the ante 25 peppers2k5: posts the ante 25 touficos77: posts small blind 100 happyhornet: posts big blind 200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to happyhornet [Qh 4h] peppers2k5 said, "nothing more" RU_kelly: calls 200 willywonk: folds titian44: folds katoluv: folds kevjones83: folds Aliqua2006: folds peppers2k5: calls 200 touficos77: calls 100 happyhornet: checks *** FLOP *** [Qc Qs 8d] touficos77: checks happyhornet: checks RU_kelly: checks peppers2k5: checks *** TURN *** [Qc Qs 8d] [5c] touficos77: checks happyhornet: checks RU_kelly: checks peppers2k5: bets 200 touficos77: calls 200 happyhornet: calls 200 RU_kelly: folds *** RIVER *** [Qc Qs 8d 5c] [5s] touficos77: checks happyhornet: bets 600 peppers2k5 said, "omg" peppers2k5: raises 1000 to 1600 touficos77: folds happyhornet: raises 1475 to 3075 and is all-in peppers2k5: calls 1475 *** SHOW DOWN *** happyhornet: shows [Qh 4h] (a full house, Queens full of Fives) peppers2k5: shows [8s Qd] (a full house, Queens full of Eights) peppers2k5 collected 7775 from pot sourie is connected *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 7775 | Rake 0 Board [Qc Qs 8d 5c 5s] Seat 1: touficos77 (small blind) folded on the River Seat 2: happyhornet (big blind) showed [Qh 4h] and lost with a full house, Queens full of Fives Seat 3: RU_kelly folded on the Turn Seat 4: willywonk folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: titian44 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: katoluv folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: kevjones83 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: Aliqua2006 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: peppers2k5 (button) showed [8s Qd] and won (7775) with a full house, Queens full of Eights I don't think I could have avoided it. Am I right? Please tell me if I am not.

[robilaruk]

Re: Help, please. I don't mind the check on the flop (assuming you are going to check raise of course) however, you MUST bet the turn whilst people still have draws otherwise if the river is a blank you wont win any more than whats in the middle already, or (even worse) you give another free card to beat you. I would bet around 2/3 pot on the turn and call any shove reraise, otherwise I would be AI on the river regardless of the card if I was just called on the turn - as there is too much in the middle to fold at this point you are just UL on this occasion Damo