happyhornet Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 I was playing in a tourney last night, doing okay when this hand occured: I have 4350 chips, about 50th of 80 remaining, blinds are 300/600. On the button I am dealt Ace of spades, Q of hearts. There are two callers before me (from middle positions) who both have me covered. I flat call, and both the blinds play. 3000 in the pot, and the flop comes Q spades, 10spades, 7diamonds. Everyone checks to me, I go all in for 3750. 1 caller from middle position using 60% of his chips. he turns over K5spades on the flush draw, which he naturally makes on the river! a) Should I have gone all in pre-flop? b) Was I a bit rash shoving all in when I did? I'm not sure how i should have played this. Any suggestions would be invaluable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: Please analyze this? M of just under 5, I'd say you junk or shove, depending how tight you think the players before you are. Unless they were REALLY tight I'd personally have gone all-in, and prayed there wasn't a premium pair or AK out there... That said, the flop all-in looks fine to me. Gotta try and chase away the guys chasing the flush, and it looks big enough to do that on most occasions - obviously not this one, but some people will call anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: Please analyze this? I dont like the flat call in the button preflop. You either have to go all in or raise most your chips. Post flop dont have a problem with your all in and you got unlucky on the river. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: Please analyze this? There are two callers before me (from middle positions) who both have me covered.So, if I get this right there is already 2,100 chips in the middle, and you only flat call? My point to this is there is 50% of your stack in the middle by winning the pot there and then, so why not try adn d so. If you had pushed all in preflop whilst still having a fold equity the chances are the villain with K5 would not have called. Okay I know this outs you in a coinflip situation, but you weren't that much better off having hit your queen imo. Now you've created a pot that really is too tempting for the guy with the flush draw, he calls and hits. I'm not faulting the post flop shove, but with a drawing hand like AK/AQ sometimes it's better to just use it to steal the blinds and get on with the tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: Please analyze this? IMO you had to shove pre flop - especially with 2 limpers - you can win 2150 there and then without seeing a flop - almost doubling up with no risk!!! However, having not shoved pre flop - hitting top pair top kicker, with a flush draw on the board - you had to shove - if he's drawing you at least have to make him pay something!!!! You were right to shove, and he was right to call - it played itself out..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: Please analyze this? yes shove PF yes shove the flop (if you limp) both fine - but I would have chosen to shove PF - there is 2100 in the middle by the time it gets to you - thats 50% of your stack - by calling and missing the flop, you are throwing away 14% of your stack - so calling is not a good idea with AQ - the strength of AQ lies in either getting the pot already, or getting HU - not against 5 players so don't muck about with the blinds that big - get your chips in now and make the K5s limper fold, before he gets a sniff of a hand Damo I was playing in a tourney last night, doing okay when this hand occured: I have 4350 chips, about 50th of 80 remaining, blinds are 300/600. On the button I am dealt Ace of spades, Q of hearts. There are two callers before me (from middle positions) who both have me covered. I flat call, and both the blinds play. 3000 in the pot, and the flop comes Q spades, 10spades, 7diamonds. Everyone checks to me, I go all in for 3750. 1 caller from middle position using 60% of his chips. he turns over K5spades on the flush draw, which he naturally makes on the river! a) Should I have gone all in pre-flop? b) Was I a bit rash shoving all in when I did? I'm not sure how i should have played this. Any suggestions would be invaluable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: Please analyze this? Shove PF, but nothing wrong with the shove on the Flop either. you were well ahead when the money went in, you got outdrawn. It happens. Your M was very low, better to make a stand now, when your push has some value, than when it becomes a value prop for the rest of the table. Related to this, is AQ the worst hand of all time, I read somewhere recently, that more money is lost on AQ than any other starting hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: Please analyze this? not a suprise really when it is played this poorly...... ;) Damo Related to this, is AQ the worst hand of all time, I read somewhere recently, that more money is lost on AQ than any other starting hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyhornet Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: Please analyze this? Now Damo, tell me what you are thinking!! Don't be coy!! Thanks to all of you who have responded. You have all hit the nail on the head, I should have gone all-in pre flop. I knew it, but was in self denial telling myself it was a bad beat!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: Please analyze this? Mate we've all been there and all done it.. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmuzeman Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: Please analyze this? 7BB on the button with AQ and 2 limpers before you, thats a pre flop all in if ever I saw one tbh :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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