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Re: NeuroTennis hi Zaleto, congrats to your results. One thing I was aware of when screening your probabilties indication chances of victory of a player: some of your probabilities are completely different to a mathematically based betting service (www.sportpunter.com tennis model) I use. Who come? would you advise bets only if your coef. is reached and no bet if under? would kelly-critrion not indicate to adjust stakes on overlay (and not staking at levels = 1%)? cheers ramses

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congrats to your results.
Thanks.
some of your probabilities are completely different to a mathematically based betting service. I use.
So what? If you use this service, it means nothing. My NN is also mathematically based model.
would you advise bets only if your coef. is reached and no bet if under?
I use KK for betting.
would kelly-critrion not indicate to adjust stakes on overlay (and not staking at levels = 1%)?
Not understand... More I shall not answer messages which author distort mine nick-name)
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Thanks. So what? If you use this service, it means nothing. My NN is also mathematically based model. ZaletoFF, no offence intended. sorry :cry Both systems/models work well at a yield above 5%. I was just focussing on obviously different sources leading to similar (positive) results. I use KK for betting. Sorry, what is KK? (constant Kelly?) More I shall not answer messages which author distort mine nick-name)
Sorry :wall once again ZaletoFF, the internet sometimes leads to a flipsy flapsy way of comunication. No offence intended. Ones name should be respected. ramses
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Re: NeuroTennis ramses, ok) About other services. They have profit - good. Single bet it is not indicator: we have profit in long term, that's all... Yes, KK is Kelly-Criteria (may called KC, CK or other, I like KK:) ): bet=(prob*odd-1)/(odd-1)/K, where K is coefficient to make bet lower, because it is impossible to predict 100 results of 100 matches every time.

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Re: NeuroTennis I think staking purely on calculated overlay could lead into trouble, considering the fact that his record on the large overlay matches isn't quite as good as the ones with the small overlay. In these cases perhaps there is a piece of information that's important, not being calculated as ZaletoFF said, perhaps a slight injury, etc. And obviously matches with a 100% outcome may be exaggerating a bit... How are you liking that sportpunter's service? I just found their webpage recently.

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Re: NeuroTennis Luxembourg fir...Venus Williams (USA) - (6) Ana Ivanovic (SCG)...{80}...{20}...[1] ...2,16...1 Luxembourg fir...Martina Muller (GER) - (WC) Chanda Rubin (USA)...{43}...{57}...[2] ...2,8...1 Luxembourg fir...(8) Mary Pierce (FRA) - Alona Bondarenko (UKR)...{81}...{19}...[1] ...1,241...1 Guangzhou fir...(3) Anna Chakvetadze (RUS) - (WC) Shuai Zhang (CHN)...{95}...{5}...[1] ...1,111...1

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Re: NeuroTennis Guangzhou fir...Vania King (USA) - Alicia Molik (AUS)...{49}...{51}...[2] ...2,11...1 Guangzhou fir...Melinda Czink (HUN) - (WC) Yan-Chong Chen (CHN)...{92}...{8}...[1] ...1,383...1 Guangzhou fir...(q) Elise Tamaela (NED) - (q) Jie Hao (CHN)...{94}...{6}...[1] ...1,2...1 Guangzhou fir...(8) Anastasia Yakimova (BLR) - (q) Sheng-Nan Sun (CHN)...{91}...{9}...[1] ...1,469...1 Seoul fir...Paola Suarez (ARG) - (7) Gisela Dulko (ARG)...{62}...{38}...[1] ...1,909...1 Seoul fir...(q) Natalie Grandin (RSA) - (WC) Angelique Widjaja (INA)...{68}...{32}...[1] ...1,84...1 Palermo fir...(q) Frantisek Cermak (CZE) - Andrei Pavel (ROM)...{23}...{77}...[2] ...1,379...1 Bangkok fir...Frank Dancevic (CAN) - (q) Lars Burgsmuller (GER)...{57}...{43}...[1] ...1,758...1 Bangkok fir...(6) Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) - (q) Mihail Zverev (GER)...{100}...{0}...[1] ...1,239...1

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, How are you liking that sportpunter's service? I just found their webpage recently.
@bigalt i have been with sportpunter mlb model this season and am into profit about 6% yield. tennis model is also in profit (though probabilities seem to be based on other data than ZaletoFF data source), but far less bets. take a look at upcoming NHL model (starts 10/4) and soccer model. both are free of charge. dont want to make any further recommendation for sportpunters (free) services in the forum. if you have further questions just pm me. ramses
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Re: NeuroTennis Seoul sec...Catalina Castano (COL) - Paola Suarez (ARG)...{26}...{74}...[2] ...1,746...1 Seoul sec...Severine Bremond (FRA) - (3) Marion Bartoli (FRA)...{24}...{76}...[2] ...1,325...1 Seoul sec...Eleni Daniilidou (GRE) - Vera Dushevina (RUS)...{61}...{39}...[1] ...1,662...1 Guangzhou sec...Alicia Molik (AUS) - (5) Lourdes Dominguez-Lino (ESP)...{69}...{31}...[1] ...1,735...1 Guangzhou sec...(q) Jing Ren (CHN) - (4) Anabel Medina Garrigues (ESP)...{7}...{93}...[2] ...1,206...1 Guangzhou sec...Tian-Tian Sun (CHN) - (2) Na Li (CHN)...{17}...{83}...[2] ...1,227...1 Bangkok fir...(q) George Bastl (SUI) - Danai Udomchoke (THA)...{61}...{39}...[1] ...2,15...1 Palermo sec...Albert Montanes (ESP) - Potito Starace (ITA)...{22}...{78}...[2] ...1,585...1

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@bigalt sportpunters (free) services in the forum. if you have further questions just pm me. ramses
I shall try to explain to you my position. There is a bank in the size 1000 $. 1. There is service which makes 300 bets in one year and has 18 % ROI. MoneyManagement - Flat (10 $). Investment: 300bets*10 $ = 3000 $. Return: 3000 $ *0.18=540 $ (+54 % of bank). 2. There is service which makes 1500 bets in one year and has 6 % ROI. MoneyManagement - Flat (10 $). Investment: 1500bets*10 $ = 15000 $. Return: 15000 $ *0.06=900 $ (+90 %! of bank). For 100 years the profit will be: first +5400 % of bank, second +9000 % of bank. Besides, the big sample - the more reliably and more stably system. I would choose service which makes 1500 bets per year and has +18 % ROI:) But I did not meet such services... That I have written it all does not concern to any service, only my reasonings. Any concurrence is accident. So, If you want service with big sample of bets and minimal dropdown - you're welcome in my thread.
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Re: NeuroTennis Bangkok sec...Marat Safin (RUS) - Julien Benneteau (FRA)...{80}...{20}...[1] ...1,309...1 Mumbai sec...Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Nicolas Devilder (FRA)...{68}...{32}...[1] ...1,694...1 Guangzhou sec...(7) Elena Vesnina (RUS) - Tzipi Obziler (ISR)...{49,6}...{50,4}...[2] ...2,6...1 Guangzhou sec...(8) Anastasia Yakimova (BLR) - (WC) Yan-Chong Chen (CHN)...{90}...{10}...[1] ...1,431...1 Guangzhou sec...Olga Poutchkova (RUS) - Jelena Kostanic (CRO)...{38}...{62}...[2] ...2,14...1 Seoul sec...(1) Martina Hingis (SUI) - Sania Mirza (IND)...{96}...{4}...[1] ...1,065...1

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Re: NeuroTennis Good :D Palermo fir...Jan Hajek (CZE) - Bohdan Ulihrach (CZE)...{64}...{36}...[1] ...1,654...1...0,65 Palermo fir...(WC) Gianluca Naso (ITA) - Jiri Vanek (CZE)...{14}...{86}...[2] ...1,326...1...0 Palermo fir...Mariano Zabaleta (ARG) - Olivier Patience (FRA)...{59}...{41}...[1] ...1,769...1...0,77 Palermo fir...(q) Juan-Antonio Marin (CRC) - (WC) Fabio Fognini (ITA)...{70}...{30}...[1] ...1,794...1...-1 Palermo fir...Martin Vassallo-Arguello (ARG) - (q) Juan-Pablo Guzman (ARG)...{56}...{44}...[1] ...2,11...1...1,11 Palermo fir...(q) Frantisek Cermak (CZE) - Andrei Pavel (ROM)...{23}...{77}...[2] ...1,379...1...-1 Palermo fir...Potito Starace (ITA) - (q) Federico Luzzi (ITA)...{43}...{57}...[2] ...3...1...-1 Palermo fir...Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) - (2) Filippo Volandri (ITA)...{53}...{47}...[1] ...3,5...1...-1 Bangkok fir...Marcos Daniel (BRA) - Benjamin Becker (GER)...{16}...{84}...[2] ...1,309...1...0,31 Bangkok fir...Alex Bogdanovic (GBR) - Yeu-Tzuoo Wang (TPE)...{55}...{45}...[1] ...2,64...1...1,64 Bangkok fir...(WC) Feliciano Lopez (ESP) - (8) Paradorn Srichaphan (THA)...{42}...{58}...[2] ...1,787...1...0,79 Bangkok fir...Rainer Schuettler (GER) - Hyung-Taik Lee (KOR)...{33}...{67}...[2] ...1,515...1...-1 Bangkok fir...(q) George Bastl (SUI) - Danai Udomchoke (THA)...{61}...{39}...[1] ...2,15...1...-1 Bangkok fir...Frank Dancevic (CAN) - (q) Lars Burgsmuller (GER)...{57}...{43}...[1] ...1,758...1...0,76 Bangkok fir...(6) Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) - (q) Mihail Zverev (GER)...{100}...{0}...[1] ...1,239...1...-1 Mumbai fir...Konstantinos Economidis (GRE) - Michael Berrer (GER)...{58}...{42}...[1] ...3,21...1...-1 Mumbai fir...Ramon Delgado (PAR) - Davide Sanguinetti (ITA)...{30}...{70}...[2] ...1,465...1...0 Mumbai fir...Juan-Martin Del Potro (ARG) - (5) Carlos Moya (ESP)...{18}...{82}...[2] ...1,333...1...-1 Mumbai fir...(4) Dmitry Tursunov (RUS) - (WC) Akash Wagh (IND)...{100}...{0}...[1] ...1,053...1...0,05 Mumbai fir...Denis Gremelmayr (GER) - Kristian Pless (DEN)...{44}...{56}...[2] ...2,4...1...1,4 Mumbai fir...(q) James Auckland (GBR) - (q) Frank Moser (GER)...{17}...{83}...[2] ...2,05...1...-1 Mumbai fir...(WC) Rohan Bopanna (IND) - (8) Wesley Moodie (RSA)...{2}...{98}...[2] ...1,4...1...0,4 Mumbai fir...(6) Bjorn Phau (GER) - (WC) Karan Rastogi (IND)...{88}...{12}...[1] ...1,275...1...0,27 Mumbai fir...(q) Jasper Smit (NED) - (q) Gouichi Motomura (JPN)...{12}...{88}...[2] ...1,4...1...0,4 Mumbai fir...Simon Greul (GER) - Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE)...{63}...{37}...[1] ...1,629...1...0,63 Mumbai fir...Stefano Galvani (ITA) - Robin Vik (CZE)...{59}...{41}...[1] ...2,76...1...1,76 Luxembourg fir...Venus Williams (USA) - (6) Ana Ivanovic (SCG)...{80}...{20}...[1] ...2,16...1...1,16 Luxembourg fir...Martina Muller (GER) - (WC) Chanda Rubin (USA)...{43}...{57}...[2] ...2,8...1...1,8 Luxembourg fir...Kveta Peschke (CZE) - Julia Schruff (GER)...{46}...{54}...[2] ...2,38...1...1,38 Luxembourg fir...(8) Mary Pierce (FRA) - Alona Bondarenko (UKR)...{81}...{19}...[1] ...1,241...1...-1 Guangzhou fir...Vania King (USA) - Alicia Molik (AUS)...{49}...{51}...[2] ...2,11...1...1,11 Guangzhou fir...(3) Anna Chakvetadze (RUS) - (WC) Shuai Zhang (CHN)...{95}...{5}...[1] ...1,111...1...0,11 Guangzhou fir...Jelena Kostanic (CRO) - (6) Meghann Shaughnessy (USA)...{30}...{70}...[2] ...1,549...1...-1 Guangzhou fir...Melinda Czink (HUN) - (WC) Yan-Chong Chen (CHN)...{92}...{8}...[1] ...1,383...1...-1 Guangzhou fir...(q) Elise Tamaela (NED) - (q) Jie Hao (CHN)...{94}...{6}...[1] ...1,2...1...0,2 Guangzhou fir...(8) Anastasia Yakimova (BLR) - (q) Sheng-Nan Sun (CHN)...{91}...{9}...[1] ...1,469...1...0,47 Seoul fir...Paola Suarez (ARG) - (7) Gisela Dulko (ARG)...{62}...{38}...[1] ...1,909...1...0,91 Seoul fir...Jill Craybas (USA) - (3) Marion Bartoli (FRA)...{24}...{76}...[2] ...1,316...1...0,32 Seoul fir...(WC) So-Jung Kim (KOR) - Emma Laine (FIN)...{11}...{89}...[2] ...1,167...1...0,17 Seoul fir...(q) Natalie Grandin (RSA) - (WC) Angelique Widjaja (INA)...{68}...{32}...[1] ...1,84...1...-1 Starting bank: 10000$ Current bank: 13736.7$ Total staked: 75300$ Number of bets: 753 Winning bets: 446 Losing bets: 271 Return bets: 36 Avr. wins odds: 1.693 Strike rate: 62.20% Yield: +4.96% Profit: +3736.7$

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Re: NeuroTennis Palermo 14...(1) Fernando Verdasco (ESP) - (8) Ruben Ramirez-Hidalgo (ESP)...{46}...{54}...[2] ...3,41...1 Palermo 14...(3) Gilles Simon (FRA) - Nicolas Lapentti (ECU)...{47}...{53}...[2] ...2,74...1 Bangkok 14...Tim Henman (GBR) - (8) Paradorn Srichaphan (THA)...{58}...{42}...[1] ...1,877...1 Mumbai 14...(4) Dmitry Tursunov (RUS) - (q) James Auckland (GBR)...{92}...{8}...[1] ...1,1...1 Luxembourg 14...(3) Patty Schnyder (SUI) - (5) Francesca Schiavone (ITA)...{49}...{51}...[2] ...2,45...1 Guangzhou 14...(3) Anna Chakvetadze (RUS) - Olga Poutchkova (RUS)...{73}...{27}...[1] ...1,493...1 Guangzhou 14...(WC) Yan-Chong Chen (CHN) - (4) Anabel Medina Garrigues (ESP)...{7}...{93}...[2] ...1,331...1 Seoul 14...(4) Ai Sugiyama (JPN) - Paola Suarez (ARG)...{38}...{62}...[2] ...2,58...1

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Re: NeuroTennis Very good :D Palermo sec...Albert Montanes (ESP) - Potito Starace (ITA)...{22}...{78}...[2] ...1,585...1...-1 Palermo sec...(LL) Oscar Hernandez (ESP) - Martin Vassallo-Arguello (ARG)...{54}...{46}...[1] ...2,05...1...-1 Palermo 14...(1) Fernando Verdasco (ESP) - (8) Ruben Ramirez-Hidalgo (ESP)...{46}...{54}...[2] ...3,41...1...2,41 Palermo 14...(3) Gilles Simon (FRA) - Nicolas Lapentti (ECU)...{47}...{53}...[2] ...2,74...1...1,74 Bangkok sec...Marat Safin (RUS) - Julien Benneteau (FRA)...{80}...{20}...[1] ...1,309...1...0,31 Bangkok 14...Tim Henman (GBR) - (8) Paradorn Srichaphan (THA)...{58}...{42}...[1] ...1,877...1...-1 Mumbai sec...Ramon Delgado (PAR) - Juan-Martin Del Potro (ARG)...{53}...{47}...[1] ...2,83...1...0 Mumbai sec...(q) James Auckland (GBR) - (8) Wesley Moodie (RSA)...{0}...{100}...[2] ...1,266...1...-1 Mumbai sec...Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Nicolas Devilder (FRA)...{68}...{32}...[1] ...1,694...1...0,69 Mumbai 14...(4) Dmitry Tursunov (RUS) - (q) James Auckland (GBR)...{92}...{8}...[1] ...1,1...1...0,1 Luxembourg sec...Nathalie Dechy (FRA) - (2) Nadia Petrova (RUS)...{19}...{81}...[2] ...1,336...1...-1 Luxembourg 14...(3) Patty Schnyder (SUI) - (5) Francesca Schiavone (ITA)...{49}...{51}...[2] ...2,45...1...1,45 Guangzhou sec...Alicia Molik (AUS) - (5) Lourdes Dominguez-Lino (ESP)...{69}...{31}...[1] ...1,735...1...0,74 Guangzhou sec...(q) Jing Ren (CHN) - (4) Anabel Medina Garrigues (ESP)...{7}...{93}...[2] ...1,206...1...0,21 Guangzhou sec...Tian-Tian Sun (CHN) - (2) Na Li (CHN)...{17}...{83}...[2] ...1,227...1...0,23 Guangzhou sec...(7) Elena Vesnina (RUS) - Tzipi Obziler (ISR)...{49,6}...{50,4}...[2] ...2,6...1...1,6 Guangzhou sec...(8) Anastasia Yakimova (BLR) - (WC) Yan-Chong Chen (CHN)...{90}...{10}...[1] ...1,431...1...-1 Guangzhou sec...Olga Poutchkova (RUS) - Jelena Kostanic (CRO)...{38}...{62}...[2] ...2,14...1...-1 Guangzhou 14...(3) Anna Chakvetadze (RUS) - Olga Poutchkova (RUS)...{73}...{27}...[1] ...1,493...1...0,49 Guangzhou 14...(WC) Yan-Chong Chen (CHN) - (4) Anabel Medina Garrigues (ESP)...{7}...{93}...[2] ...1,331...1...0,33 Seoul sec...Catalina Castano (COL) - Paola Suarez (ARG)...{26}...{74}...[2] ...1,746...1...0,75 Seoul sec...Severine Bremond (FRA) - (3) Marion Bartoli (FRA)...{24}...{76}...[2] ...1,325...1...0,32 Seoul sec...Eleni Daniilidou (GRE) - Vera Dushevina (RUS)...{61}...{39}...[1] ...1,662...1...0,66 Seoul sec...(1) Martina Hingis (SUI) - Sania Mirza (IND)...{96}...{4}...[1] ...1,065...1...-1 Seoul 14...(4) Ai Sugiyama (JPN) - Paola Suarez (ARG)...{38}...{62}...[2] ...2,58...1...-1 Starting bank: 10000$ Current bank: 14039.5$ Total staked: 77800$ Number of bets: 778 Winning bets: 461 Losing bets: 280 Return bets: 37 Avr. wins odds: 1.697 Strike rate: 62.21% Yield: +5.19% Profit: +4039.5$

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Re: NeuroTennis Palermo 12...(8) Ruben Ramirez-Hidalgo (ESP) - Nicolas Lapentti (ECU)...{46}...{54}...[2] ...2,13...1 Palermo 12...(4) Nicolas Almagro (ESP) - (2) Filippo Volandri (ITA)...{64}...{36}...[1] ...1,658...1 Bangkok 12...(1) Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - (8) Paradorn Srichaphan (THA)...{75}...{25}...[1] ...1,394...1 Bangkok 12...(3) James Blake (USA) - Marat Safin (RUS)...{48}...{52}...[2] ...2,06...1 Luxembourg 12...(q) Agnieszka Radwanska (POL) - (5) Francesca Schiavone (ITA)...{56}...{44}...[1] ...2,86...1

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Re: NeuroTennis Do sportsbooks take futures bets for any but the biggest tournaments? It seems like using the probablilities you calculate for each possible matchup, you could calculate their % chance of winning the whole tournament as well.

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Re: NeuroTennis Tokyo fir...Edgardo Massa (ARG) - Konstantinos Economidis (GRE)...{41}...{59}...[2] ...2,42...1 Tokyo fir...(WC) Go Soeda (JPN) - Juan-Martin Del Potro (ARG)...{53}...{47}...[1] ...3,7...1 Tokyo fir...Frank Dancevic (CAN) - Marcos Daniel (BRA)...{73}...{27}...[1] ...1,474...1 Tokyo fir...Rainer Schuettler (GER) - Michael Berrer (GER)...{48}...{52}...[2] ...1,99...1 Tokyo fir...Yeu-Tzuoo Wang (TPE) - Kevin Kim (USA)...{35}...{65}...[2] ...1,719...1 Tokyo fir...Rik de Voest (RSA) - Kristian Pless (DEN)...{25}...{75}...[2] ...1,667...1 Metz fir...Fabrice Santoro (FRA) - Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)...{23}...{77}...[2] ...1,952...1 Metz fir...Florent Serra (FRA) - (8) Robin Soderling (SWE)...{53}...{47}...[1] ...3,15...1 Metz fir...(4) Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) - (SE) Marat Safin (RUS)...{32}...{68}...[2] ...1,676...1 Metz fir...Xavier Malisse (BEL) - Arnaud Clement (FRA)...{48}...{52}...[2] ...2,4...1 Metz fir...Florian Mayer (GER) - Sebastien Grosjean (FRA)...{56}...{44}...[1] ...2,83...1 Metz fir...Julien Benneteau (FRA) - (2WC) Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP)...{30}...{70}...[2] ...1,606...1 Tokyo fir...(5) Sofia Arvidsson (SWE) - Marta Domachowska (POL)...{64}...{36}...[1] ...2,01...1

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