Speckled Jim Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Was playing cash tables on sporting odds last night (fleecing stupid hungarians) and for two hours every hand (except about a dozen!) the board paired up or two paired. I saw quads five times in these two hours! Am i paranoidn or are sporting odds trying a fast one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ed- Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? Was playing cash tables on sporting odds last night (fleecing stupid hungarians) and for two hours every hand (except about a dozen!) the board paired up or two paired. I saw quads five times in these two hours! Am i paranoidn or are sporting odds trying a fast one? Personally I think paranoid jim, but, yi never know :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mardell Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? Ive had days like that. Ive also seen long session of boarded "four flushes" and Ive had SNG tournements where practically every pocket pair I was dealt flopped a set inspits of the 7/1-8/1 odds against me per pair. Its like the old addage when playing chance games. Just because the last 20 spins of the roulette wheel have been red, the probability of the next spin being black is still approx 50/50. Whilst it is statistically improbable that you will see more than one or two quads hands dealt in relatively quick succession, it is by no means impossible. Just chalk it up to a statisical anomaly and continue safe in the knowledge that poker rooms make such ridiculous ammounts of money from the rake they have no need to "fix" their games. That said - I saw an advert for a "free" poker room (i.e no rake). How are they making money then? Id stay clear of a place like that and just stick to famous brands. Oh and steer clear of TruePoker.com. As bent as a nine bob note! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? I played for several hours the other evening. Can't remember which site, sorry. And I noticed nothing remarkable at all about the cards! With all the remarkable things that could have happened (unusually many quads, full houses, flushes, paired boards, suited flops, bad beats, etc., etc.), surely something unusual should have happened? Do you think that maybe they fix the cards so that nobody will complain about them being fixed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fader Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? sarcasm is the lowest form of wit :nana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaulc Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? on goalpoker last night i had Q/A spades 3 times running,,obviously badly shuffled :dude :rollin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Intensity Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? I played for several hours the other evening. Can't remember which site, sorry. And I noticed nothing remarkable at all about the cards! With all the remarkable things that could have happened (unusually many quads, full houses, flushes, paired boards, suited flops, bad beats, etc., etc.), surely something unusual should have happened? Do you think that maybe they fix the cards so that nobody will complain about them being fixed? I think a different group would be the ones complaining;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speckled Jim Posted July 16, 2006 Author Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? My point was that it seemed very strange. I know that it is possible if not very improbable. That said, it appeared as if s oddds were trying to get some extra rake by enticing more bets per hand by putting straight, flushes and full house draws out there . (maybe i need to see a head doctor or get more sleep??) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereoman Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? Most of us will had those kind of days. I generally don't play on Cryptologic sites because of my paranoia (I never win when I play on Cryptologic.). :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? I've noticed the same thing. This is my take on the situation, or how I rationalise it. The poker site us RNG's (Random Number Generators) to simulate the poker game. Even with totally random occurrences it is possible to find or see a pattern at times. Maybe some one cleverer than I can give this some thought, but I assume that we look for logic in randomness (or chaos) because we are programmed(?) from an early age to be logical, or to seek order. However, I also believe that some RNG's are not as good as they should be given the amount of money that changes hands on their (the RNG's) activity. Boss Media is one such network where I believe this is true. Therefore rather than complain about seeing a lot of flushes, I try and observe what seems to be 'hot' - sometimes it is flushes, sometimes straights, or low pairs tripping on the flop. If I observe that, for example there seems to be a lot of flushes I will adjust my game slightly and try and take advantage of that by playing more suited hole cards than I would normally. This doesn't mean that my normal opinion is different to whats already been posted, it just means that by using what I've said as a consideration I may have an edge over my opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rednutt Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? I've noticed the same thing. This is my take on the situation, or how I rationalise it. The poker site us RNG's (Random Number Generators) to simulate the poker game. Even with totally random occurrences it is possible to find or see a pattern at times. Maybe some one cleverer than I can give this some thought, but I assume that we look for logic in randomness (or chaos) because we are programmed(?) from an early age to be logical, or to seek order. However, I also believe that some RNG's are not as good as they should be given the amount of money that changes hands on their (the RNG's) activity. Boss Media is one such network where I believe this is true. Therefore rather than complain about seeing a lot of flushes, I try and observe what seems to be 'hot' - sometimes it is flushes, sometimes straights, or low pairs tripping on the flop. If I observe that, for example there seems to be a lot of flushes I will adjust my game slightly and try and take advantage of that by playing more suited hole cards than I would normally. This doesn't mean that my normal opinion is different to whats already been posted, it just means that by using what I've said as a consideration I may have an edge over my opponents. Crafty but i like it :D Gonna have to try that out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? If you look at an historical sequence of random numbers (or cards) you will usually think you can perceive a pattern in it. However this does not mean the cards are not random, as when you project the pattern into the future, it wont hold up any more than random variation dictates it will!!! If you are unable to predict the next card with a greater degree of success than you should (i.e. a 1 in 47 chance of predicting the exact turn card), then the cards are random!!!! I sincerely believe that the RNG's of the main sites (Boss included) is random enough that there is no way you can read patterns in the cards from casual observation......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speckled Jim Posted July 16, 2006 Author Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? Cheers, an interesting insight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? The poker site us RNG's (Random Number Generators) to simulate the poker game. Even with totally random occurrences it is possible to find or see a pattern at times. Maybe some one cleverer than I can give this some thought, but I assume that we look for logic in randomness (or chaos) because we are programmed(?) from an early age to be logical, or to seek order. That's exactly right. Human beings look for patterns, and often find them when they're not there. I remember reading about an experiment where people were shown several sequences of heads and tails and asked to say which ones they thought were randomly produced. Most of them chose the ones that had been designed to have fewer obvious "patterns" than usual. However, I also believe that some RNG's are not as good as they should b e given the amount of money that changes hands on their (the RNG's) activity. Boss Media is one such network where I believe this is true. Therefore rather than complain about seeing a lot of flushes, I try and observe what seems to be 'hot' - sometimes it is flushes, sometimes straights, or low pairs tripping on the flop. It may be that some sites are using RNG's that aren't as good as they should be. I don't know. But it seems extremely unlikely that a flaw in the RNG would show up as something like too many straights, flushes, trips, etc. Countless times I've seen somebody saying something like "Hmm, I noticed there were far more paired flops than you'd expect", but what I've never seen is somebody saying "Hmm, I noticed there were far more paired flops than you'd expect,so I decided to do a controlled experiment keeping careful records, to see if there were a statistically significant number of paired flops." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rippyuk Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? I played for several hours the other evening. Can't remember which site, sorry. And I noticed nothing remarkable at all about the cards! With all the remarkable things that could have happened (unusually many quads, full houses, flushes, paired boards, suited flops, bad beats, etc., etc.), surely something unusual should have happened? Do you think that maybe they fix the cards so that nobody will complain about them being fixed? Lol very good. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ed- Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? I played for several hours the other evening. Can't remember which site, sorry. And I noticed nothing remarkable at all about the cards! With all the remarkable things that could have happened (unusually many quads, full houses, flushes, paired boards, suited flops, bad beats, etc., etc.), surely something unusual should have happened? Do you think that maybe they fix the cards so that nobody will complain about them being fixed? :loon :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterplan Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? That said - I saw an advert for a "free" poker room (i.e no rake). How are they making money then? Id stay clear of a place like that and just stick to famous brands. it is a famous brand, which is why they can afford to have no rake on their poker room. its World Sports Exchange (WSEX)'s poker site, world poker exchange. every month all your rake is paid back to you. very useful for high rakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ed- Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? If you look at an historical sequence of random numbers (or cards) you will usually think you can perceive a pattern in it. However this does not mean the cards are not random, as when you project the pattern into the future, it wont hold up any more than random variation dictates it will!!! If you are unable to predict the next card with a greater degree of success than you should (i.e. a 1 in 47 chance of predicting the exact turn card), then the cards are random!!!! I sincerely believe that the RNG's of the main sites (Boss included) is random enough that there is no way you can read patterns in the cards from casual observation......... :clap very well put gaf, I'm with you :clap :cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? If I observe that, for example there seems to be a lot of flushes I will adjust my game slightly and try and take advantage of that by playing more suited hole cards than I would normally. Interesting theory Mr V. I sometimes find myself doing the opposite, based on the rationale that because there have been numerous flushes recently, the law of averages says it is less likely there will be more in the next few hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laidbackbloke Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? Yes ................... you are being paranoid :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? Interesting theory Mr V. I sometimes find myself doing the opposite' date=' based on the rationale that because there have been numerous flushes recently, the law of averages says it is less likely there will be more in the next few hands.[/quote'] And me, I take the middle road ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelopeys Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? I played for several hours the other evening. Can't remember which site, sorry. And I noticed nothing remarkable at all about the cards! With all the remarkable things that could have happened (unusually many quads, full houses, flushes, paired boards, suited flops, bad beats, etc., etc.), surely something unusual should have happened? Do you think that maybe they fix the cards so that nobody will complain about them being fixed? :rollin :rollin :rollin You are so fcukin funny :rollin :rollin :rollin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelopeys Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? Erm... Jim... were you winning or losing at those cash tables??? I think people tend to look for "strange" things when the cards are not going in their favour... I mean... You never hear winning poker players saying: Online poker is fixed... :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? Unfortunately, thats why the argument I make will always be bogged down. My comment isn't made as a losing player, despite the negative slant being taken. All I am saying is that sometimes RNG's go through periods where, even though it isn't totally predictable, it appears less random. To the point where it may become beneficial to chuck a blind in the pot when you have Ace rag suited, or K 5 suited, basically to hit the flush. Even though when I don't notice this happening these hands are straight in the muck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelopeys Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? Unfortunately, thats why the argument I make will always be bogged down. My comment isn't made as a losing player, despite the negative slant being taken. I wasn't commenting on your post... because I didn't read it :$ :$ :$ My head is bad today... for long decent posts :lol :lol :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? :rollin :rollin :rollin Lots of squeaking Pene? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelopeys Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? :rollin :rollin :rollin Lots of squeaking Pene? ;) :loon No.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? If you look at an historical sequence of random numbers (or cards) you will usually think you can perceive a pattern in it. However this does not mean the cards are not random, as when you project the pattern into the future, it wont hold up any more than random variation dictates it will!!! If you are unable to predict the next card with a greater degree of success than you should (i.e. a 1 in 47 chance of predicting the exact turn card), then the cards are random!!!! I sincerely believe that the RNG's of the main sites (Boss included) is random enough that there is no way you can read patterns in the cards from casual observation......... Have you read this article from the early days of online poker? http://www.developer.com/java/other/article.php/10936_616221_1 A group of mathematicians cracked the RNG and, once they had seen their pocket cards and the flop, could work out in real time the turn, river and everyone elses hole cards:eek Hopefully things have moved on considerably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mardell Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? That's exactly right. Human beings look for patterns, and often find them when they're not there. I was going to say the exact same thing :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mardell Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Am i paranoid? it is a famous brand, which is why they can afford to have no rake on their poker room. But then how are they making their money? Surely as a business your single goal is to make cash - however much they dont need to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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