slapdash Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 No cheating by using any software, but you're all in preflop with 55 against J10s, you don't have the 5 of his suit. How big a favourite do you think you are, to the nearest 0.5%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
^Newbie^ Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... hmmm , i'm not sure how to calculate the odds but am i correct to say that you are a 55% to 45% fav ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerose Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... I think we're roughly 50/50 tbh.. maybe I have a slight edge? 51/49 in my favour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Intensity Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... Something like I'm 52.5% v 47.5%:unsure Edit: oops, hands wrong way round. 55 is 47.5%?:$ :$ :$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswest Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... I'd have thought you'd be a slight dog. But very close to a coinflip whichever way it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... I'll go for 53.5% for the 55 v 46.5%..... Now I presume I can check....... (but won't post in the thread again till the answer is revealed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... I don't think the Pocket 5's are the Favorite. I'll guess that the Pocket 5's have a 49% chance of winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... zero, but only by the way you've worded it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friskyfitz Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... its a straight 50 - 50 for me. The suited nullifying the percentage advantage if it were j,10 o Guess Im miles out now!! :\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... Would I really need to know slapdash? ! Think I'd just close my eyes and hope for the best!! :loon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... OK, enough answers. I thought that a pair was always a slight favourite against two overcards, but the J10s is about a 52.5% favourite. (Hope you didn't cheat, Mr. I! :spank) Found this little nugget in a book called "Phil Gordon's Little Green Book", which is as advertized: it's a little book, and it's green. Actually, I recommend it; apart from trivia like this, it has lots of observations on no-limit hold 'em, many of which I haven't seen elsewhere. Also, he really doesn't seem to like Phil Hellmuth. In a passage about making big lay-downs, he lists the considerations you should think about, including "Do my opponents respect my play?", and then describes a famous hand when he laid down pocket kings against Hellmuth's pocket aces pre-flop: "Does my opponent respect my play? Not really. Phil Hellmuth Jr. doesn't respect anyone's play other than his own. That said, he had to respect my raise, ..." Another bit of trivia from the same book: Three players all in preflop: KQs KQs 84o (the other two suits) Obviously the two KQs are equally likely to win. But what are the win probabilities of the three hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... 55 is 51% J 10s 49% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... 84 slight fav? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... OK, enough answers. I thought that a pair was always a slight favourite against two overcards, but the J10s is about a 52.5% favourite. That was my understanding too - I was shocked at the answer!!!! I presume it must mean 2 unsuited overcards? I think I heard of 1 exception - 22 vs JT or something....... but I REALLY thought it applied to suited cards too. Nope - even that assumption is wrong - 22 is behind to most overcards (including unsuited!!!) I didn't cheat with my original answer - honest!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... I didn't cheat with my original answer - honest!!!! I believe you! :rollin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie-p Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... i know that one...the one where j/10os calls ur all in pre flop ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H1ghlander Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... Heh ok i think 3 handed 8-4 has a fair proportion of chances probable in the 35% bracket heres another one for you guys::::: why is J-10 the best hand in a multi way pot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Intensity Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... OK, enough answers. I thought that a pair was always a slight favourite against two overcards, but the J10s is about a 52.5% favourite. (Hope you didn't cheat, Mr. I! :spank) No mate I just like my JT:$ :$ Three players all in preflop: KQs KQs 84o (the other two suits) Obviously the two KQs are equally likely to win. But what are the win probabilities of the three hands? 84 around 30%? Just because i think the KQ should still be a slight fav. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philossify Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... why is J-10 the best hand in a multi way pot Suspect its all to do with the nullifying effects (i.e. having less outs) of all them people who are in pot with AK and AQ's and Ax's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... Three players all in preflop: KQs KQs 84o (the other two suits) I won't make you sweat over this one: KQs 33.3334% KQs 33.3334% 84o 33.3332% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... because it makes the nut str from (low) 5 to (High) Ace Damo heres another one for you guys::::: why is J-10 the best hand in a multi way pot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H1ghlander Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... 35% not bad an educated guess then and yes it is because KQ is counterfieted by the other hand i was reading an article a few yrs back about 7-2 V AK,AQ,KQ and 7-2 won a whopping 47% not bad for worst hand in poker ,,, with regards to J-10 best hand multi way indeed it is because it makes more nut straights than any other combination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... I won't make you sweat over this one: KQs 33.3334% KQs 33.3334% 84o 33.3332% But not when I play it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... with regards to J-10 best hand multi way indeed it is because it makes more nut straights than any other combination Why does JT make more nut str8s than T9, 98 etc? :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... Why does JT make more nut str8s than T9' date=' 98 etc? :unsure[/quote'] Cos of the "cap" on the high end? i.e. a QKA flop gives TJ the nut str8, but a JQK does not give T9 the nut str8 ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H1ghlander Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... probably because the key card is the 10 i dunno never fully investigated all the probabilities gives me a headache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... any straight from 6 - A needs the 10, the 10 is the key card (actually any from a 5 gives the 10 the nut 56789 board etc) its just that 10 J gives you the nut with any straight it makes (unless the board come Q J 10 9 8 - etc) so always limp 10 J Damo Cos of the "cap" on the high end? i.e. a QKA flop gives TJ the nut str8' date=' but a JQK does not give T9 the nut str8 .......[/quote'] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philossify Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... Quote: Originally Posted by H1ghlander with regards to J-10 best hand multi way indeed it is because it makes more nut straights than any other combination Having "cheated" and played around on pokerstove - I'm not as convinced as some of you on the merits of JT. Sure in multiplayer pots with "substandard" hands it gets close to a decent percentage - but the minute you start to look at its percentages against reasonable hands then its not so good percentage wise. So my tack would be that JT is a good limping hand when you are on a table that is giving limpers an easy ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H1ghlander Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... so do you argue with Sklansky on the merits of J-10 i do believe thats one of the hands covered in multiway pots and its merits any donk can play AA+KK and win a fair proportion of the time but multiway AA called by more than 1 person rapidly drops its odds of winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: No cheating ... spot on - its played for limp value only - I am not raising or calling raises with it - its shite unless u hit the nuts when it hits its a monster hand, specially if it the nut high straight, simply because you are playing against 3 other draw/top pair/2 pr hands that you get paid off in a multiway pot Damo Quote: Originally Posted by H1ghlander with regards to J-10 best hand multi way indeed it is because it makes more nut straights than any other combination Having "cheated" and played around on pokerstove - I'm not as convinced as some of you on the merits of JT. Sure in multiplayer pots with "substandard" hands it gets close to a decent percentage - but the minute you start to look at its percentages against reasonable hands then its not so good percentage wise. So my tack would be that JT is a good limping hand when you are on a table that is giving limpers an easy ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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