Poker Night Live Hand Analysis - Hands 4 - 8

[Jaded]

On Val's suggestion, will post up to the next 'highlight' each time, rather than a set number of hands - so that we have an interesting one for discussion but you get the full picture for all players. [---------------------------------------------------------------------] HAND 4: ** Game ID 824677447 starting - 2006-06-10 21:04:09 ** Poker Night Live:Table 3 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (20.00|40.00 No Limit - MTT) Real Money - suineGrekoPA sitting in seat 1 with $1480.00 - JadedJ sitting in seat 2 with $1570.00 - delee_sere sitting in seat 3 with $1500.00 - adeslet sitting in seat 4 with $1500.00 [sitting out] - Everbrite sitting in seat 5 with $1410.00 - Mr_Echo sitting in seat 6 with $1460.00 - NuffSed2 sitting in seat 7 with $1590.00 [Dealer] - stevie_d sitting in seat 8 with $2960.00 stevie_d posted the small blind - $10.00 suineGrekoPA posted the big blind - $20.00 ** Dealing card to JadedJ: 7 of Spades, 2 of Clubs JadedJ folded delee_sere folded adeslet folded Everbrite folded Mr_Echo folded NuffSed2 folded stevie_d called - $20.00 suineGrekoPA checked ** Dealing the flop: 2 of Hearts, Queen of Hearts, 6 of Clubs stevie_d bet - $20.00 suineGrekoPA folded stevie_d mucks: stevie_d wins $60.00 from the main pot End of game 824677447 Normally raise with 72o, but was in 3 other games at this point so playing conservatively for once! [---------------------------------------------------------------------] HAND 5: ** Game ID 824677887 starting - 2006-06-10 21:04:25 ** Poker Night Live:Table 3 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (20.00|40.00 No Limit - MTT) Real Money - suineGrekoPA sitting in seat 1 with $1470.00 - JadedJ sitting in seat 2 with $1550.00 - delee_sere sitting in seat 3 with $1500.00 - adeslet sitting in seat 4 with $1500.00 [sitting out] - Everbrite sitting in seat 5 with $1410.00 - Mr_Echo sitting in seat 6 with $1460.00 - NuffSed2 sitting in seat 7 with $1590.00 - stevie_d sitting in seat 8 with $2990.00 [Dealer] suineGrekoPA posted the small blind - $10.00 JadedJ posted the big blind - $20.00 ** Dealing card to JadedJ: Jack of Diamonds, 4 of Hearts delee_sere folded adeslet folded Everbrite folded Mr_Echo folded NuffSed2 folded stevie_d folded suineGrekoPA folded JadedJ mucks: JadedJ wins $30.00 from the main pot End of game 824677887 Decision? What decision? I love getting money for nothing, even if it IS only 10 chips! [---------------------------------------------------------------------] HAND 6: ** Game ID 824678123 starting - 2006-06-10 21:04:49 ** Poker Night Live:Table 3 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (20.00|40.00 No Limit - MTT) Real Money - suineGrekoPA sitting in seat 1 with $1470.00 [Dealer] - JadedJ sitting in seat 2 with $1570.00 - delee_sere sitting in seat 3 with $1480.00 - adeslet sitting in seat 4 with $1500.00 [sitting out] - Everbrite sitting in seat 5 with $1410.00 - Mr_Echo sitting in seat 6 with $1460.00 - NuffSed2 sitting in seat 7 with $1590.00 - stevie_d sitting in seat 8 with $2990.00 JadedJ posted the small blind - $10.00 delee_sere posted the big blind - $20.00 ** Dealing card to JadedJ: 9 of Hearts, 2 of Hearts adeslet folded Everbrite folded Mr_Echo folded NuffSed2 folded stevie_d folded suineGrekoPA folded JadedJ folded delee_sere mucks: delee_sere wins $30.00 from the main pot End of game 824678123 Very rare for me to fold in the small blind with no callers, but as I said, was in several other games - and 92s is weaker than even I like to play! [---------------------------------------------------------------------] HAND 7: ** Game ID 824678479 starting - 2006-06-10 21:05:28 ** Poker Night Live:Table 3 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (20.00|40.00 No Limit - MTT) Real Money - suineGrekoPA sitting in seat 1 with $1470.00 - JadedJ sitting in seat 2 with $1570.00 [Dealer] - delee_sere sitting in seat 3 with $1500.00 - adeslet sitting in seat 4 with $1480.00 [sitting out] - Everbrite sitting in seat 5 with $1410.00 - Mr_Echo sitting in seat 6 with $1460.00 - NuffSed2 sitting in seat 7 with $1590.00 - stevie_d sitting in seat 8 with $2990.00 delee_sere posted the small blind - $10.00 adeslet posted the big blind - $20.00 ** Dealing card to JadedJ: 5 of Hearts, 7 of Diamonds Everbrite folded Mr_Echo called - $20.00 NuffSed2 folded stevie_d folded suineGrekoPA folded JadedJ folded delee_sere folded adeslet checked ** Dealing the flop: 6 of Spades, 10 of Clubs, King of Diamonds adeslet checked Mr_Echo bet - $80.00 adeslet folded Mr_Echo mucks: Mr_Echo wins $130.00 from the main pot End of game 824678479 Easy fold, even for me and my itchy button finger having now folded FOUR in a row. [---------------------------------------------------------------------] HAND 8: ** Game ID 824679043 starting - 2006-06-10 21:06:46 ** Poker Night Live:Table 3 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (20.00|40.00 No Limit - MTT) Real Money - suineGrekoPA sitting in seat 1 with $1470.00 - JadedJ sitting in seat 2 with $1570.00 - delee_sere sitting in seat 3 with $1500.00 [Dealer] - adeslet sitting in seat 4 with $1470.00 [sitting out] - Everbrite sitting in seat 5 with $1390.00 - Mr_Echo sitting in seat 6 with $1490.00 - NuffSed2 sitting in seat 7 with $1590.00 - stevie_d sitting in seat 8 with $2990.00 adeslet posted the small blind - $10.00 Everbrite posted the big blind - $20.00 ** Dealing card to JadedJ: Jack of Diamonds, 5 of Diamonds Mr_Echo raised - $40.00 NuffSed2 folded stevie_d folded suineGrekoPA folded JadedJ folded delee_sere raised - $160.00 adeslet folded Everbrite folded Mr_Echo called - $160.00 ** Dealing the flop: Ace of Diamonds, 5 of Hearts, Queen of Clubs Mr_Echo checked delee_sere bet - $160.00 Mr_Echo called - $160.00 ** Dealing the turn: King of Spades Mr_Echo checked delee_sere bet - $260.00 Mr_Echo called - $260.00 ** Dealing the river: 4 of Spades Mr_Echo checked delee_sere bet - $660.00 Mr_Echo went all-in - $910.00 delee_sere called - $910.00 delee_sere shows: King of Hearts, King of Diamonds Mr_Echo shows: Queen of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts delee_sere wins $3010.00 from the main pot End of game 824679043 Ahhhh... now this IS interesting. Easy fold for me, but I'm very critical of Echo's play here pre-flop and on the turn. (Criticism coming in 10 mins or so but I'm worried it might crash as I type it up, so saving!)

[robilaruk]

Re: Poker Night Live Hand Analysis - Hands 4 - 8 you are - okay he made a min raise stealwith AQ, got caught and called the re-raise Can't really fault him on the flop, he has top 2 pr - what do you expect him to do - shove? - he is only losing to trips at the mo, so the call is fine IMO and why check raise? let the other guy hang himself, he needs to hit to beat him turn - Interesting card - what might the other guy reriase us with? AA KK QQ JJ (maybe 10 10) and AK AQ (maybe AJ) so the King fills another 2 hands that beats him (with AA and QQ) - so 4 out of 6 possible hands are now beating him (8 dependant on how loose u think he is). He is now getting just over 2-1 to call the bet - and its one I would prolly make as well (in fact I would SHOVE at this point and hope villian has KQ:hope ) River - well there is so much in the pot now I can't see how he could let this go - its too early yet to have a read on players I don't think he played this too poorly Damo

Ahhhh... now this IS interesting. Easy fold for me, but I'm very critical of Echo's play here pre-flop and on the turn. (Criticism coming in 10 mins or so but I'm worried it might crash as I type it up, so saving!) HAND 8: ** Game ID 824679043 starting - 2006-06-10 21:06:46 ** Poker Night Live:Table 3 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (20.00|40.00 No Limit - MTT) Real Money - suineGrekoPA sitting in seat 1 with $1470.00 - JadedJ sitting in seat 2 with $1570.00 - delee_sere sitting in seat 3 with $1500.00 [Dealer] - adeslet sitting in seat 4 with $1470.00 [sitting out] - Everbrite sitting in seat 5 with $1390.00 - Mr_Echo sitting in seat 6 with $1490.00 - NuffSed2 sitting in seat 7 with $1590.00 - stevie_d sitting in seat 8 with $2990.00 adeslet posted the small blind - $10.00 Everbrite posted the big blind - $20.00 ** Dealing card to JadedJ: Jack of Diamonds, 5 of Diamonds Mr_Echo raised - $40.00 NuffSed2 folded stevie_d folded suineGrekoPA folded JadedJ folded delee_sere raised - $160.00 adeslet folded Everbrite folded Mr_Echo called - $160.00 ** Dealing the flop: Ace of Diamonds, 5 of Hearts, Queen of Clubs Mr_Echo checked delee_sere bet - $160.00 Mr_Echo called - $160.00 ** Dealing the turn: King of Spades Mr_Echo checked delee_sere bet - $260.00 Mr_Echo called - $260.00 ** Dealing the river: 4 of Spades Mr_Echo checked delee_sere bet - $660.00 Mr_Echo went all-in - $910.00 delee_sere called - $910.00 delee_sere shows: King of Hearts, King of Diamonds Mr_Echo shows: Queen of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts delee_sere wins $3010.00 from the main pot End of game 824679043 Ahhhh... now this IS interesting. Easy fold for me, but I'm very critical of Echo's play here pre-flop and on the turn. (Criticism coming in 10 mins or so but I'm worried it might crash as I type it up, so saving!)

[Valiant23]

Re: Poker Night Live Hand Analysis - Hands 4 - 8 Yeah its hard to be too critical of either player (imo) in this situation, its just one of those occassions where two monsters collide, and there can only be one winner.

Mr_Echo checked delee_sere bet - $660.00 Mr_Echo went all-in - $910.00 delee_sere called - $910.00

I wouldn't be the only one on here to have done this kind of thing before...

[Jaded]

Re: Poker Night Live Hand Analysis - Hands 4 - 8 Starting to agree with you Damo! Just typing this up and trying to work out if I've worked it out correctly... if you see what I mean! UTG, a 2 x BB raise with AKo is poor as far as I'm concerned - the same raise with AQo is dreadful. You want to knock people out straight away with a raise of 3 or 4 times the BB, but I think I'd go for calling and hoping someone behind you raised, or you got to see whether there was an A or Q on the flop for just 1 bet, rather than making the minimum raise. Sere's raise on the button initially seems a little bi - leaves Echo needing to put in 120 chips when there's 230 in the pot so far. Does Echo have the odds he needs? IMO, definitely not... what exactly does he expect Sere to have?! I'd say the big raise indicates a premium hand. AA, then obviously Echo is screwed, with a 7% chance of winning. Against KK or QQ his odds are better than I thought, about 28%. Against AK, he's dominated, and it's about 24%. TT or JJ are the others I'd consider, and in this case, things don't look so bad for Echo, with him having a 43%ish chance of winning either. Then, of course, there's the possibility it's a bluff, but it seems a bizarre bluff to throw in this early on (pot calling kettle black here!!) Even a bluff with 74o only gives Echo a 64% chance or so of winning, though. Looking at the probabilities of Sere being dealt each hand, if we assume he'd make this play with any of them (this may be the only time you are EVER able to work out that I've been reading HOH recently!!), I came up with this. 3 ways he can get AA, 6 for KK, 3 for QQ (since Echo holds AQ.) 12 ways for AK, 6 for TT, 6 for JJ. Say 20% chance it's a bluff. 36 possible non-bluffing combinations, saying 19% chance it's a bluff to make maths easier. If it's NOT a bluff: 1/12 chance it's AA, giving Echo 81/12 * 7% = 5% chance of winning. 1/4 chance it's KK or QQ, giving Echo 81/4 * 28% = 5.6% chance of winning. 1/3 chance it's TT or JJ, giving Echo 81/3 * 43% = 12% chance of winning. 1/3 chance it's AK, giving Echo 81/3 * 24% = 6.25 % chance of winning. (All approx) If it IS a bluff, 19 x 64% = 12% chance of winning. So total chance of winning = 5 + 5.6 + 12 + 6.25 + 12 = 40.85% chance of winning... okaaaaaaaaaaay... EASILY has pot odds if I haven't screwed up the calculations!! That CAN'T be right, can it?! As you said, play on the flop is fine, with top 2 pair he has to figure himself in with a great chance of being ahead and ready to rake it some money - but the K on the turn would scream caution to me. He's now behind AA, KK, QQ, AK, and TT and JJ have got 6 outs to make trips or a straight. Okay, looking at likelihood of various hands, starting to agree with you that he's not played it too badly - but I REALLY dislike the raise on the river, there's no way he's chasing him off - I'd call and risk having to play hard to recover rather than go out like that.