Sheerluck Holmes Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 I'm not sure if i've imagine this or just picked it up from the threads on here . . . are there rules dictating what language people can speak @ the table? Been playing virgin quite abit today and am becoming increasingly frustrated with people talking in a language other than english, all through each round, and specifically mentioning cards (well i can pick out TT, and KA etc amongst the stuff i can't understand). Can anyone shed any light on the matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ooner Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table Get a screen dump and report it. Also, don't be afraid to tell them that all chat should be in English. If they persist, flood the company with images of the foreign chat. It should not be tolerated. If they give you abuse - get an image and report it, there's no excuse for the cheating fekkers. In certain instances, where everyone knows each other, the odd foreign exchange of banter is not a problem, but during a game with players you don't know it's completely unnaceptable. report, report report :@ :@ :@ :@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheerluck Holmes Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table Cheers mate, thast basically what happened . . . i'd let a few bits of banter go but they were constantly talking through hands and when i asked em to stop i got a right mouthful. I'm so going to be ready with print screen next time! Can't find virgins table rules anywhere, can anyone point me in the right direction? just so i know where I stand. Edit: Its ok ta, i got em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheerluck Holmes Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table Think they broke every one of these . . . Players may not act as a team. If team play (collusion) is suspected, Virgin Poker has the right to suspend suspected accounts and funds while an investigation is conducted. Players found to have been acting, or reasonably suspected of acting as a team, will have their account privileges indefinitely terminated at all casinos operated by Boss Media. If warranted, Virgin Poker has the right to confiscate any funds won while players were acting as a team. Confiscated funds will be distributed to victimized players. No "board talk" is allowed. Players may not chat about a hand while it is in progress. Although some comments may be innocuous, the presumption will be that any comments about the play of a hand are in violation of our rules, and the burden of proof will be on the violating player to convince us otherwise. To be safe, avoid making jokes about the hand you are holding or how you intend to play during a hand. back to top Players may not use chat to offer advice to another player during a hand, or urge a player to take a particular course of action (e.g., it is a rule violation to use chat to say "Call him, he's bluffing!"). Players may not chat about any folded cards they held during a hand. Players may not chat about any current cards they are holding during a hand. Only the English language and the table specific language may be written using chat. Foul, abusive or threatening language will not be tolerated at the gaming tables. Players may lose membership privileges for any repeat occurrences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ooner Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table Not sure where the rules are but foreign chat is not allowed on any Boss media site as far as I'm aware. The rules and conditions will be on the actual web page rather than the pokerroom. I can't access any of them from work but I'll have a check for you later. Generally, I just keep sending the screen dump with the subject 'Foriegn chat & Abuse', I got a response the first time but not since, I do think they take an interest though, they have too much to lose if they get a foriegn invasion. Even Poker4ever which has mostly Europeans playing insist on English only chat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ooner Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table Too late you found it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterplan Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table been doing the raked hands for the $20k qualifiers on virgin too and i've found that a lot of the hungarian players we see so often cheating in the safety net are there. i strongly suspect collusion is going on there but not a lot i can do except avoid the BUDAPEST locations :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table I haven't looked into it a great deal, but how is it possible to enforce an 'English only' rule coming from an English poker room, when there are Danish, Hungarian, German poker rooms too. Does that mean players from Denmark can only play poker if they speak English on a Danish poker-room? I look at it this way.... On an exclusive tourney from an English site, such as tikays then the English only rule should be enforced, but if you play on Boss Media networked tables/tournies, then you are going to get people talking in their own language, and maybe one that is allowed in their sites t's and c's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table I disagree Mr V - Boss Media rules are clear - ONLY English is allowed at the tables and this should be enforced strictly in all Boss Media network games - if someone can't speak English, then they should not be chatting on Boss Media tables (tough - but it's the only way of being sure collaboration isn't going on) - or they should be playing in rooms set up for their language. Unfortunately there have been too many examples of blatent discussion of cards in a foreign language during a hand to go softly on this. Unfortunately, Boss Media have shown no willingness to deal with this (and the problem is SIGNIFICANTLY worse on Boss Media than any of the other networks) - you are, I'm afraid wasting your time by taking screen shots and sending them to Boss - they will email you back saying it has been dealt with, then the next day you'll see the same player doing exactly the same!!!!!! The only way to get chat banned on Boss is to mention PuntersLounge!!!! They seem to have their priorities completely wrong and deal with insignificant issues, whilst leaving what I would view as critical issues untouched. BTW, this is criticism of the Boss Media Network, NOT any of the skins - Virgin, SO, Poker.co.uk etc........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table Thats my point mate, if you're sure that Boss Media have 'English only' at all of their sites then they have no case and should be chat-banned. :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ooner Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table I haven't looked into it a great deal, but how is it possible to enforce an 'English only' rule coming from an English poker room, when there are Danish, Hungarian, German poker rooms too. Does that mean players from Denmark can only play poker if they speak English on a Danish poker-room? I look at it this way.... On an exclusive tourney from an English site, such as tikays then the English only rule should be enforced, but if you play on Boss Media networked tables/tournies, then you are going to get people talking in their own language, and maybe one that is allowed in their sites t's and c's. Sorry but I disagree, if I strolled onto a Hungarian site where chat was only allowed in Hungarian and started speaking Dutch they'd be well pissed off. If they don't like the rules then set up a site where only hungarian chat is the only one allowed- we all know the rules - chat is an option not a right. This is a problem with boss etc. for having foreign skins, if foreign chat is allowed I'd rather not chat or play- if I'm playing on a site from pakistan and I don't know the language I do not chat. At the end of the day, we're here to play poker not have a chin wag, any chance of collusion should be avoided - tilting someone is different - calling someone an idiot in any language is OK but full chat, colluding or downright cheating should not be allowed. Chat is not a right it's an added bonus that should not be abused. Sorry - ranting again, but give em an inch!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table Thats my point mate, if you're sure that Boss Media have 'English only' at all of their sites then they have no case and should be chat-banned. :ok I know the "English Only" rule applies at Mermaid (Danish site) - to be honest - the rule HAS to apply at all the skins - if they don't have the same rules, they cannot join shared tables....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ooner Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table whoops - too late with my answer again - why is my brain so slow:\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table Boss sites do have cash tables where other specified languages are allowed as well as English ... that's what the little flags next to the tables are, I think. I wouldn't mind if they had tables where only the other language was allowed, and not English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table whoops - too late with my answer again - why is my brain so slow:\ 'cos you're too busy thinking what links "mini" and "bore"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ooner Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Language @ the table 'cos you're too busy thinking what links "mini" and "bore"? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avongirl Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Re: Language @ the table I played a 5seat STT last night on Poker.co.uk with 2 players from Praha/Prag, who chatted throughout the whole game in (presumably) Czech. Although I've not the foggiest what was being said, I didn't feel there was anything untoward until just us 3 left. Then they checked down a couple of pots and big-stack folded to small-stack, accompanied by further foreign chat. At this point I said I would report them for not speaking in English and for folded hands. I got one comment back in (poor) English, and then it was back to Czech for the rest of the game. (During this period I got my royal flush and not one "nh" from them!!) I sent an email off to the site last night, saying I was not certain of any wrong-doing, but could they check up about the foreign chat. I had a reply by 9.30 this morning saying there was no evidence to support collusion, but as a goodwill gesture they had refunded my buy-in. So well done on a quick response and thanks for the free Royal!:clap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Re: Language @ the table I sent an email off to the site last night, saying I was not certain of any wrong-doing, but could they check up about the foreign chat. I had a reply by 9.30 this morning saying there was no evidence to support collusion, but as a goodwill gesture they had refunded my buy-in. Well the non English chat is wrong doing in itself ........ In my opinion, it has to be assumed that they are colluding if they are breaking the rules like that!!! However I'm impressed that they refunded your buy in - a first (that I'm aware of from Boss!!) - however they should be dealing with the real issue and dealing with the breaches in their rules!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avongirl Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Re: Language @ the table I did reply back saying my main reason for writing was so they would tell the players of the house rules for the future, but thanked them very much for the refund! It was only $3.30 but I had also won $4.50 for 2nd place, so an outcome for me in the world of small stakes poker. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizdalord Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 Re: Language @ the table been doing the raked hands for the $20k qualifiers on virgin too and i've found that a lot of the hungarian players we see so often cheating in the safety net are there. i strongly suspect collusion is going on there but not a lot i can do except avoid the BUDAPEST locations :/ :@ 2 things. First: why could the cheaters reg to virgin and why shouldnt i? I cant reg so i cant part on the PL's events. :S i wrote emails etc. No answer. COULD SOMEONE HELP ME TO GET IN TO VIRGIN POKER?! 2nd I am from budapest and there is already a few threads about this. That not all hun ppls are cheaters and mostly NOT Budapest players chating. Btw they are not likely chating about hands. Sometimes they do. But mainly from debrecen and form Szeged, Big school centres. And even if there are ppl like that they do not make BUDAPEST ugly or so. Avoiding BP cuzz of hun chat cheater in poker :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ooner Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 Re: Language @ the table Giz, for some reason Virgin are not allowed to operate in certain countries, Belgium and Holland are restricted. The only reason I can play on Virgin is because I still have a UK address and bank account. I spoke to their customer support and they told me it was due to 'contractual restrictions' unfortunately, if Hungary is restricted there's nothing you can do about it. The rules about chat are clear, as I said earlier in the thread, chat is an added bonus not a right, if people want to cheat in chat it would be more sensible to use msn messenger than the online chat function. Foriegn chat is unsettling whether or not it's discussing hands. It's not just Hungarians that do it and not all hungarians do it but the level of this on the SO site is so high it has stopped me from entering freerolls or low value games there. If it affects any part of my game, and is against the rules I'll do what I can to get it stopped and ultimately make the site better for everyone. To be perfectly honest, even English chat p1sses me off sometimes because of some of the morons out there so I switch chat off - but at least I know what they're saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 Re: Language @ the table :@ 2 things. First: why could the cheaters reg to virgin and why shouldnt i? I cant reg so i cant part on the PL's events. :S i wrote emails etc. No answer. COULD SOMEONE HELP ME TO GET IN TO VIRGIN POKER?! Masterplan said he came across these players on cash tables, when he was trying to get raked hands. So they probably weren't registered to Virgin: it could have been any Boss Media site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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