padman Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Going to give this a live run for 50 bets to see if there is any mileage in it. Bookies now have screwed me with only paying 20% on the 16+ handicaps instead of 25% Ok they give your more places but the value just seemed to have gone now So going to try a little laying method on these extra places - probably a bag of **** but he who dares. Will start today. BIG fingers crossed Offramp, Bedlam, LEE-GRAYS and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 (edited) A bit bigger than I would like, but its a selection Hungry Tiger 4.8 £2.00 £7.60 2.30 HEXHAM Unplaced Edited April 22 by padman MCLARKE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 Did not get chance to post this evening. But not putting money on them yet any way 6.00 Thelasthighking 3 Unplaced 6.00 Alto Alto 3.5 Unplaced 6.30 Docpickedme 3.6 Unplaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 3.55 Duke Of Verona 2.92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offramp Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 What is the system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 Sorry cant be bothered with laying, lots of messing about with prices so going leave it. I think with the 5% Betfair take it will only be break even at best. Small sample below but it just not for me. Hungry Tiger @ 4.8 Unplaced +1 6.00 Thelasthighking @ 3 Unplaced +1 6.00 Alto Alto @ 3.5 Unplaced +1 6.30 Docpickedme @ 3.6 Unplaced +1 3.55 Duke Of Verona @ 2.92 PLACED -2 9.00 Yaahobby @ 2.6 Unplaced +1 2.35 Hurricane Harvey @ 2.2 Unplaced +1 2.35 Chris Cool @ 3 Placed -2 4.50 Buckshaw Village @ 2.2 placed -1.20 MCLARKE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 3 hours ago, padman said: Sorry cant be bothered with laying, lots of messing about with prices so going leave it. I think with the 5% Betfair take it will only be break even at best. Small sample below but it just not for me. Hungry Tiger @ 4.8 Unplaced +1 6.00 Thelasthighking @ 3 Unplaced +1 6.00 Alto Alto @ 3.5 Unplaced +1 6.30 Docpickedme @ 3.6 Unplaced +1 3.55 Duke Of Verona @ 2.92 PLACED -2 9.00 Yaahobby @ 2.6 Unplaced +1 2.35 Hurricane Harvey @ 2.2 Unplaced +1 2.35 Chris Cool @ 3 Placed -2 4.50 Buckshaw Village @ 2.2 placed -1.20 Can't you get 2% commission ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 I have never used betfair for betting. So its 5% now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 I think you can take an option to get 2% harry_rag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 Thanks I will have a look later. MCLARKE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 34 minutes ago, MCLARKE said: I think you can take an option to get 2% Yeah, 2% option should be available for everyone. I think you get some other peripheral stuff if you stay at the higher rate (free spins, sportsbook offers) but overall the 2% option should be best for most punters. 5% would seriously erode any edge you might have with your bets. Just checked; go into your account/"my Betfair rewards" and choose the Basic Plan (unless either of the other options works better for you). MCLARKE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 Found it thanks guys. Start date 1st May for 2% MCLARKE and harry_rag 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 26 Author Share Posted April 26 Results to date 20 lays of a 50 lay test. Not going that well LAYS 20 lays +13 won 7 lost Hungry Tiger @ 4.8 +1 6.00 Thelasthighking @ 3 +1 6.00 Alto Alto @ 3.5 +1 6.30 Docpickedme @ 3.6 +1 3.55 Duke Of Verona @ 2.92 PLACED -2 9.00 Yaahobby @ 2.6 +1 2.35 Hurricane Harvey @ 2.2 +1 2.35 Chris Cool @ 3 PLACED -2 4.50 Buckshaw Village @ 2.2 PLACED -1.20 8.10 jollyjump @ 2.98 WON 18/1 PLACED -2 5.45 scudemore 2.44 +1 7.30 Dutch Kingdom 3.7 PLACED -2.70 5.10 Aquila Sky 2.66 PLACED -1.66 5.10 Pottlerath 2.88 +1 5.10 Haut Folin 3.3 +1 5.30 Asimov 2.6 +1 5.30 Sir Gabrial 3.25 +1 5.30 Rukaana 4 +1 6.00 We Still Believe 3 +1 8.15 Up For Parol 3.4 PLACED -2.40 MCLARKE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 27 Author Share Posted April 27 Todays 11 lays 9 unplaced 2 placed 2.10 Nights Over Egypt 3.1 +1 Havana Rum 3.3 +1 Hallowed Time 3.65 +1 3.35 Kinondo Kwetu 4.1 +1 Aime Desjy 5.5 +1 5.20 Emailandy 2.3 +1 Bad 2.78 +1 Authorised Speed 3.75 PLACED -2.75 Classic Anthem 3.6 +1 Monviel 4 +1 6.40 Magical Spirit 2.7 WON 9/1 -1.70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 28 Author Share Posted April 28 Todays 2.20 Airshow 3.4 +1 Alafdhal 4.1 +1 Silent Flame 4.1 +1 2.30 Havana Prince 2.18 Placed -1.18 This Years Love 3.65 +1 harry_rag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 What's the running P/L tally? LEE-GRAYS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 28 Author Share Posted April 28 +7.41 less commission if my maths are right harry_rag, Bedlam and MCLARKE 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedlam Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 I've considered doing this Padman, as whenever I've wanted to put an e/w bet on, the 'win' odds are often so much better on Betfair, but the 'place' odds disproportionately lower than those available with the bookies, there's certainly potential in what you're doing. Watching with interest, you seem to have made a promising start., Good luck! MCLARKE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 29 Author Share Posted April 29 Good day 3.35 Pierrefonds 2.18 PLACED -1.18 Crazy Crackers 3.2 +1 Bristol Hill 4.5 +1 3.15 Hale End 3.65 +1 7.39 Sneaky Blinder 2.34 +1 Venus Slipper 3.20 +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 29 Author Share Posted April 29 10 hours ago, Bedlam said: I've considered doing this Padman, as whenever I've wanted to put an e/w bet on, the 'win' odds are often so much better on Betfair, but the 'place' odds disproportionately lower than those available with the bookies, there's certainly potential in what you're doing. Watching with interest, you seem to have made a promising start., Good luck! Yes I do agree. BUT I still think you can lose all profit laying very quickly harry_rag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 30 Author Share Posted April 30 Haha should of kept my mouth shut. Been hammered today Results to follow after the 6.20 lays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 30 Author Share Posted April 30 4.25 Great Blasket 2.34 WON 10/1 -1.34 Double Time 2.38 PLACED -1.38 Yantarni 3.75 PLACED -2.75 4.45 Our Papa Smurf 2.62 PLACED -1.62 Mrs Nell 4.6 +1 5.10 Mr Trevor 4.1 +1 Variety Island 2.34 WON 6/1 -1.34 6.20 Stolen Encounter 5.2 +1 Prince Hector 5.3 +1 18/1 10/1 9/1 and 6/1 winners in that lot at SP. Final score on the doors LAYS 51 won +35 lost 16 -19.77 RT+2.80 less Betfair commission harry_rag and Bedlam 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Not really long enough to draw any conclusion about the long term returns but I’m guessing you’ve pretty much decided it’s not for you? I tried it with goalscorers and reached that conclusion but that was mainly for the practical reason that I was hardly able to get matched at my target odds. Too much time and effort to get too few bets on. Bedlam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 30 Author Share Posted April 30 Also there is not the liquidity in the place market when i look early doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 30 Author Share Posted April 30 I am looking at the 7.25 now even now there is still not enough to get a decent lay on other than the 1st and 2nd fav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 30 Author Share Posted April 30 Would love to find a decent method on Betfair as the bookies I use have restricted my bet sizes, so not really interested any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted April 30 Author Share Posted April 30 Will keep it going for a bit longer but just on Saturdays for the time being. harry_rag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Plenty of liquidity as a backer in the anytime goalscorer market, regularly better than the best bookies price (hence the difficulty in being a layer in that market). But I appreciate that would require you to "switch codes"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedlam Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 It certainly takes up a lot of time (not to mention the angst) probably a job for a bot! padman and MCLARKE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padman Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 (edited) Results to date as I have kept looking. LAYS 76 won +51 lost 25 -29.60 RT +2.64 less commission Just for interest we had Winners @ 18/1 9/1 10/1 6/1 12/1 all sp. Betfair with the big win prices would of given a better return. Will keep testing. From yesterday its 13+ runners now. Edited May 9 by padman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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