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Bart(UK)

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It does perhaps open up discussion about what exactly is a slowroll.

I personally think there are several forms of slowroll, but also some situations that are wrongly flagged as being slow-rolled. Not suggesting in the slightest that this video is one of them though.

  • Pure-Nuts Slowroll - No disputing if you hold the stone-cold nuts and are always going to call. Pure evil to Hollywood in these circumstancs
  • Near-Nuts - Depends more on circumstances, but if you're never likely to fold a hand in these circumstances there's no need and no justification for delaying thngs unduely. Suggest this clip falls into this category.
  • Grey areas - I think where things get out of hand is where there is actually a decision to be made. Couple of examples provided below:
  1. I got dealt QQ once in an online tournament, had just been moved table so literally had no info on other players. My standard raise was re-raise shoved over the top from Middle Position by unknown. If I call it's effectively for my tournament life as left with 2bb, if I fold I'm left with a slim but workable 11bb. I take the full 15 seconds allowed thinking is it possible he has AA, KK or is this really the right spot to flip against AK? I call and get slagged off for slow-rolling. My suggestion is unfairly, still had options and a decision to make. I don't hold the nuts.
  2. Seen in a GUKPT main event a few years back. Guy shoves whole stack (forget actual size but likely 500bb+) 1st hand of Day 1 after series of re-raises and woman tanks before eventually calling with AA. Thoughts? As players we are required to play to win and some casinos determine folding the nuts as collusion or chip-dumping. This can be valid, but I would suggest that it is very much player & situation dependant. For a major buyin series such as the £1k GUKPT buyin, with an established recreational route in via cheap satellites, it is more than possible that this player had a genuine decision to make. If they're an established Pro/Tour Reg whose just going to instant re-reg then it's pretty poor form to tank as they're never really going to fold. But what if they're a recreational player, playing their biggest ever tournament, they've spent hours trying to qualify and travelling to the venue, don't have the resources to re-enter and have already accumulated travel & accomodation costs that are a big proportion of their 'playable' poker fund? I would suggest they still have a valid decision to make, is this still the best spot even when favourite to win.

Thoughts? Anyone disagree or have alternative suggestions?

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